Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Glitchman;46311472]Not too good considering that guy calling from Atlanta was terrible at discussion[/QUOTE] He did mention NYS though. [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] Not too sure what to think of Milo's intervention so far.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46309485]Clickhole is a partner of the Onion and is completely satire. Stop linking it.[/QUOTE] It's funny because it kind of actually is neutral, once you get past the satirical part of it.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46311607]It's funny because it kind of actually is neutral, once you get past the satirical part of it.[/QUOTE] It only mentions whatever the mainstream press presents as truth. From that point on it's hard to be neutral.

I don't think Gamergate being seen in a negative light by the mainstream audience matters in the long run. Disregarding the fact that Gamergate isn't even a definied group, this is gonna take awhile and there'll be plenty of time for opinions to change. The sponsors care about being associated with these people. The AAA industry certainly aren't gonna give a fuck but are definitely going to be cautious about people trying to muscle their way in. Eventually the actual journalism outlets covering the AGG side are gonna get fed up of their tendency to act like a broken record and repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot without learning and then realize they've hit a proverbial goldmine of news and drama to cover. This is really about the long game.

the mainstream media is also made for retarded masses that probably dont know what video games are

Sooo, I found out about the Felicia Day post because [url=http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10/23/3583347/felicia-day-gamergate/]this was the top trending news story on my Facebook feed.[/url] One quote struck me in particular: [quote]That change is GamerGate — an online movement where a small subset of gamers have harassed female media critics, developers and bloggers with violent and graphic death and rape threats.[/quote] There is literally nothing in the article about corruption in gaming journalism and as usual, the Facebook comments are even more painful to read. It's sad that the public face of GamerGate has turned into this.

I find it interesting how so many people talk about Eron slut-shaming Zoe, when in actual fact her cheating was simply a small part of his post about how [I]she cheated on him and abused him[/I]. Is it 'slut-shaming' if you're in a committed relationship with somebody and have not gained their permission to sleep around? This would be the precise same situation had it been Eron cheating on Zoe, and in actual fact I imagine if the roles had been reversed, we'd be supporting her just as much.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;46312615]Sooo, I found out about the Felicia Day post because [url=http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/10/23/3583347/felicia-day-gamergate/]this was the top trending news story on my Facebook feed.[/url] One quote struck me in particular: There is literally nothing in the article about corruption in gaming journalism and as usual, the Facebook comments are even more painful to read. It's sad that the public face of GamerGate has turned into this.[/QUOTE] We shouldn't care about the public opinion because it's incredibly flimsy. One day it's about gamergate and how horrible it is, the next some star accidently showed half a boob or something. The public attention span is short. What matters is what happens in the industry, and since companies have pulled support from gawker and all that, and since these websites keep shooting themselfs in the foot, I would say things are going well. We have time on our side. We aren't hemmoraging money and letting people get away with supporting bullying. Everytime something like that happens, people just get more informed.

It's pretty sad that the loudmouths in both groups overshadow any good being done ,the trolls harrasing people with the gamergate tag ,and the legitimate bullies who took up the SJW title because they can attack anyone at leisure and get off on hurting people.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46312649]I find it interesting how so many people talk about Eron slut-shaming Zoe, when in actual fact her cheating was simply a small part of his post about how [I]she cheated on him and abused him[/I]. Is it 'slut-shaming' if you're in a committed relationship with somebody and have not gained their permission to sleep around? This would be the precise same situation had it been Eron cheating on Zoe, and in actual fact I imagine if the roles had been reversed, we'd be supporting her just as much.[/QUOTE] Eron is the real victim. It boggles my mind how he's painted as the bad guy.

[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46313141]Eron is the real victim. It boggles my mind how he's painted as the bad guy.[/QUOTE] Hes Male, thats why, and its the sad, hypocritical truth.

[url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-advertisers-threatening-to-pull-money-now-t,37263/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1:Default[/url] here's a good laugh. It's one of those oh god that's partly true.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46313132]It's pretty sad that the loudmouths in both groups overshadow any good being done ,the trolls harrasing people with the gamergate tag ,and the legitimate bullies who took up the SJW title because they can attack anyone at leisure and get off on hurting people.[/QUOTE] It's blatantly obvious it's a coordinated smear campaign to discredit the corruption claims, not just loudmouths.

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[QUOTE=TheJoey;46313628][img]http://i.imgur.com/S8GxxCa.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/6HVft7y.png[/img][/QUOTE] It's a hell of a lot better than Gawker's first ever apology.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46312649]I find it interesting how so many people talk about Eron slut-shaming Zoe, when in actual fact her cheating was simply a small part of his post about how [I]she cheated on him and abused him[/I]. Is it 'slut-shaming' if you're in a committed relationship with somebody and have not gained their permission to sleep around? This would be the precise same situation had it been Eron cheating on Zoe, and in actual fact I imagine if the roles had been reversed, we'd be supporting her just as much.[/QUOTE] Because they don't care, and they're actively trying to cover it up, reason being she's not even close to the only who engages in this behavior. When a dev says point blank "who cares about quinn, name someone, male or female, who HASN'T slept with a marketer or journalist", this is how far down the sewer you're going to have to trudge to find the light. They've also ignored she routinely accused someone of sexual aggressiveness towards her at [I]every job she's ever had[/I], according to Deviant Nation[I].[/I] Every one, usually within the first couple of weeks, once she knows who to target, and if management intends to get rid of her instead of the other person, she threatens to sue. If she wasn't part of swj she'd be tarred and feathered by now. Now there is a salient point that Sargon and KoP routine gloss over, and that is it's no one's business who she slept with, the problem is whomever she slept with was to get coverage and positive press to wrap into her next project, and the aftermath thereof wherein swj pundits act like she's a vestal virgin, meanwhile anyone female for pro-GG is a whore/slut/cunt/insert word here. The hypocrisy is obvious. The other tide of that stream is Eron. Amongst the people who have no business reporting on the state of interactive entertainment in our modern era, he is guilty as shit. I despise and don't condone his abuse, and I wish the best of luck in his trial, but the simple rub is he is as guilty of collusion as she is, and he needs to find another job once this settles down, because it's plain impartiality is not his strong suit. He got burned badly enough he's probably going to need counseling by knowingly paying with fire; personally he got mauled all to fuck and back, professionally, he was setting himself up for exactly what happened.

So I stopped paying attention for a few weeks now this WHOLE thing is about harassing women? What the fuck happened The media is disgusting because this isn't about women at all. I thought it was about developers' relationships with the journalists

and give them equal speaking time as well.

Or hosts and moderators forgot that they are supposed to at least look neutral.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46313628][img]http://i.imgur.com/S8GxxCa.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/6HVft7y.png[/img][/QUOTE] If this is true, then I hope you can forgive my optimism, but I think this represents a turning point in this whole thing. The fact that one of the people who was involved in how this all got started is NOT demonizing everyone under the GG banner seems like a pretty damn important moment. And here I was all set to whine about how the Felicia Day thing caused an online community I've been a part of since middle school to tear itself the fuck apart. I mean, yeah, it's still sad, but now there's this.

And suddenly, Zoe Quinn is no longer a part of this. Just wait. [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] It's quite interesting, because in Britain pretty much nobody knows about Gamergate. Not my friends, not even the other gamers I know. I don't know how it is elsewhere, though.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46308961] The movement was tarnished the moment we targeted people who proclaimed themselves social justice advocates in gaming. No matter was going to be said or done, we were going to painted like that and anyone who thought otherwise is naive.[/QUOTE] The mainstream media really isn't going out of its way to defend social justice though, it's pretty much exclusively focusing on the women aspect of it. I don't think there is a "social justice" conspiracy out there, just establishment corporate media. It's the same shit they did when they covered Occupy. It goes against the establishment narrative so they find outrageous examples of individuals and paint them over the entire movement. Occupy thus was changed from a grassroots leaderless movement organizing against the wealth inequality in the United States into a bunch of gross hippies shitting in drinking fountains and attacking cops. Now Gamergate is a grassroots leaderless movement pushing for ethics and inclusion and being portrayed as a vengeful hate mob of (apparently white) men railroading prominent women in the tech industry.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46314379]And suddenly, Zoe Quinn is no longer a part of this. Just wait. [editline]23rd October 2014[/editline] It's quite interesting, because in Britain pretty much nobody knows about Gamergate. Not my friends, not even the other gamers I know. I don't know how it is elsewhere, though.[/QUOTE] I've heard a few people talking about it. Granted, I'm a CS student, but even when I was home I overheard a couple of lads discussing it at a bus stop.

So just out of curiosity... What are the specific goals of gamergate? What has gamergate actually done so far? I've been kinda out of the loop with this thing, but I've heard pretty much nothing constructive about the movement and would like to see what the pro-GG side has to offer

I'm honestly getting so tired of anti-gg "appeals to emotion" popping up on my dash that I've just been liberally applying the unfollow button. Like come the fuck on, you're gonna tell us to calm down because a loud minority are being shitheads, while the same thing is happening on the other side?

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46314583]So just out of curiosity... What are the specific goals of gamergate?[/QUOTE] After reading Kazerad's post, I believe it has to do with individual accountability: [url]http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/100701290523/gamergate-alternate-theory[/url] [QUOTE=Itszutak;46314583]What has gamergate actually done so far? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ayane-152;46307396]Donated $70K to The Fine Young Capitalists (A feminist project that not a whole lot of people talk about in the media & was previously being sabotaged): [url]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2[/url] The Escapist changed their policies which included disclosures [t]http://i.imgur.com/vdtq6X1.png[/t] Donated $5K to American Foundation for Suicide Prevention: [url]https://www.crowdrise.com/nshgamers/fundraiser/loping[/url] Donated $16K to PACER Center National Bullying Prevention: [url]https://www.crowdrise.com/gamergatestompsoutbullying/fundraiser/loping[/url] Thats what I remember so far.[/QUOTE] To add to this, GG has successfully also emailed advertisers of sites like Gawker & Kotaku to pull their ads off. They are: Intel, Nissan, BMW, Adobe, Mercedes & Hulu (Forgot to mention Olympus) There are still emails being shot off as you read this.

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46314583]So just out of curiosity... What are the specific goals of gamergate? What has gamergate actually done so far? I've been kinda out of the loop with this thing, but I've heard pretty much nothing constructive about the movement and would like to see what the pro-GG side has to offer[/QUOTE] if you're talking about just positive things, GG has gotten The Escapist to revise and clarify it's ethics and disclosure policies, it's revealed unprofessional and borderline criminal activity in the IGF in the form of judges with financial ties to the games being voted on. Which is pretty damn big deal if you're one of the idies paying an entry fee. it's been a sizable force for charity, and since it's inception has had almost a hundred thousand dollars donated to various organizations in it's name, the most notable example being an initiative to bring more female voices into game design(which is what that mascot everyone's so keen to point out was made for, at the behest of the ch). And if you think racism, bigotry, stereotyping and bullying should earn a little negative karma, GG is also spearheading a campaign to let the advertisers on sites like Kotaku, Gamasutra, and Polygon just what the staff at those sites think of "hood rats" and the "craven idiots" that are Intel. People like kingofpol and internetaristocrat, shitty personality flaws aside, regularly host talks with both sides of the discussion. Which is more than can be said for anyone on gamerghazi or SRS. Anyone, feel free to correct me on any of this if you spot something that's unnecessarily vague or inaccurate. I'm sure there's a ton of stuff missing, but this is just what's on the top of my head.

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As far as I'm concerned, GG has already more or less won the battles that matter. A bunch of these shitty media sites are in their death throes, even if it'll take them awhile longer to actually close shop. Advertisers are going to be a lot more discriminatory about who they sponsor from now on. As for the reputation of gamers and gamergate, it's not exactly like they had a reputation to begin with. At this point, I'd be satisfied with the outcome if GG stopped tomorrow.