Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Wii60;46324008]What happens if you get Sargon, InternetAristrocrat, RalphRetort, Jay3dFox, Rougestargames, and TotalBiscuit (who is on painkillers thus doesnt give a single fuck what he does) in one room? find out [video=youtube;g30jXK7ACqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g30jXK7ACqY[/video] fun quotes like "Kuchera is their real life backseat moderator" - TotalBiscuit[/QUOTE] Oh wow, I'm looking forward to watching that :v: Of that list I think TotalBiscuit is the only person who hasn't done anything stupid or overly dramatic. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46324073]This is disgusting, anyone who had a shred of respect for her just look at this. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zqNg7ua.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] *him, everyone knows she doesn't write her tweets by now. I suppose she condones this stuff by lending her name though. [URL="https://archive.today/f8sGY"]Confirmed and archived.[/URL] [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Technically speaking it's not utterly wrong that cultural influences strongly affect the gender ratio though, as far as I know. However, using that for arguing for this particular brand of feminism is rather ironic, since it's an argument for equality if anything.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46324567]You can disagree with her idea of "toxic masculinity in culture" but I'm not really getting a hateful or bigoted vibe from that tweet.[/QUOTE] Just for a comparison, the [url=http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/14/Players-as-young-as-12-and-13-are-being-raped-by-dorky-weirdos-on-Grand-Theft-Auto]Breitbart[/url] article linked over in the SH thread conflates Elliot Rodger and GTAV violence. Despite it at least noting that it was a contributing factor to his insanity rather than the cause, it's still sensationalist garbage and baseless "opinions". Here we have Anita, conflating masculinity and mass shootings in the same sensationalist way. Add to that she is taking advantage of a very recent shooting where the Breitbart article wrote about Elliot Rodger several months later as a side-note. Add to it that she's quite obviously agenda driven and it's part of a continuing narrative of conflating masculinity and violence while Breitbart's article was a relatively one-off rant. I don't know if that's enough to be considered bigoted to you, but it's certainly a really shitty thing to do.

I was getting increasingly angry at some of the shit i've seen flung at those supporting the consumer revolt, so in order to calm myself down I started [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mX_3ab2yKFwR0nH_m8XbLE8FUyxobw5K-5zgOxLxCUM/edit?usp=sharing]writing[/url]. I'd like your honesty on what I had to say. Both fact-checking and opinions welcome. You should be able to comment on this, though I'd welcome critiques here in the thread as well. I'm still debating whether to post on tumblr/link to twitter. Note: I honestly don't care about journalism, so the point of my essay isn't about that. It's about the abuse gamers have received from the anti-gg side. I don't really want to talk about it because, if I post it on tumblr, I don't want people from either side coming up to me and talking to me about journalism.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46324126]Sexist monsters. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/n0Yem89.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [URL="https://archive.today/3PXdI"]Confirmed[/URL] + [URL="https://archive.today/wBgE9"]bonus[/URL]. (You can reply to your own tweets (without @ mention) to chain them together properly, but it looks like not many people know this. Maybe he uses a third party client though.)

trigger warning: literally who discussion (but ultimately has a lot to do with gamergate and the manipulation tactics used by many anti-gg) [url]http://www.broteampill.com/forums/index.php?topic=4721.msg81555#msg81555[/url] "Bro Team: Here is why I don't think Zoe Quinn is a nice person"

[QUOTE=Zet;46324138]She can't make up her mind. [IMG]http://puu.sh/cpqTS.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [URL="https://archive.today/uVn2E"]Archived.[/URL] (It would be great if you did that yourself instead of posting difficult-to-verify images.)

[QUOTE=Devodiere;46325034]Just for a comparison, the [url=http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/14/Players-as-young-as-12-and-13-are-being-raped-by-dorky-weirdos-on-Grand-Theft-Auto]Breitbart[/url] article linked over in the SH thread conflates Elliot Rodger and GTAV violence. Despite it at least noting that it was a contributing factor to his insanity rather than the cause, it's still sensationalist garbage and baseless "opinions". Here we have Anita, conflating masculinity and mass shootings in the same sensationalist way. Add to that she is taking advantage of a very recent shooting where the Breitbart article wrote about Elliot Rodger several months later as a side-note. Add to it that she's quite obviously agenda driven and it's part of a continuing narrative of conflating masculinity and violence while Breitbart's article was a relatively one-off rant. I don't know if that's enough to be considered bigoted to you, but it's certainly a really shitty thing to do.[/QUOTE] The issue is that its well documented that there is an issue with masculinity having not updated since the 70s and such. It hasn't really had a redefinition and such because they've been so focused on expanding the definitions of femininity. Now, we're seeing they're lack of ability to multitask come to fruition.

[QUOTE=Zet;46324787]Would it be possible to notify the police/fbi that people are faking serious threats just to have people swatted? I know that all reports are taken seriously, but I feel as though it would be just much more funnier to see anti-GG laughing at some guy being swatted, and then they get swatted for faking a serious report and cry for help.[/QUOTE] Well you can report it, but they won't get swatted for it, just get a huge fine [I]if[/I] their threat materializes. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46324823][url]http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/archive/documents/FalseReporting.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] That much I know :v: I mean what the reports they are filing mean.

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[QUOTE=Zet;46324138]She can't make up her mind. [IMG]http://puu.sh/cpqTS.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Politicians and religious clerics were laughed at for saying the same thing while citing from conducted studies from renowned academia 10 years ago. Several years later, and you see thousands of people immediately agreeing with a person who cites an opinion pieces as a credible source. What happened?

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46325061]trigger warning: literally who discussion (but ultimately has a lot to do with gamergate and the manipulation tactics used by many anti-gg) [url]http://www.broteampill.com/forums/index.php?topic=4721.msg81555#msg81555[/url] "Bro Team: Here is why I don't think Zoe Quinn is a nice person"[/QUOTE] That is an amazing post. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46325165][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NkEWwVC.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Wait wait wait. Pending litigation. Is Gawker getting sued?

[QUOTE=27X;46324897]This means that Cernovich's lawyer, who is extremely infamous for winning impossible cases; will eat these two people literally alive and probably be able to implicate Quinn by default in court. While they can certainly appeal that, again Cernovich has absurdly deep pockets and so does his lawyer, eventually they're going to run out of money and people willing to be drug into endless cases. Cernovich is an ideologue in the extreme, and is very very likely to hound them unto public humiliation and he is aware of which courts to attempt to get this venue to. If he gains traction, he will go for blood, and if he can get the actual callers/defendants to turn on Quinn, she is absolutely fucked in civil court. He can run a criminal case with city support, and if ANY of the charges come up guilty, these people are absolutely screwed in any civil setting short of getting Anita Sarkeesian as their judge.[/QUOTE] Oh the US justice system. I'm glad it's a lot different here, stuff like running out of money like that doesn't happen quite as much here (and even then most people have legal insurance afaik). Well, in this case I suppose they could hold out to the last instance and would still lose, since a lawsuit would seems justified (if not necessarily entirely warranted... then again there's no stopping those people otherwise). [editline]edit[/editline] Wouldn't the criminal case be run by a prosecutor though? It would be extremely strange if a criminal and civil case were conflated like this, coming from a country civil law. Here the civil case (for damages) only starts after the criminal one is through with a guilty verdict. (I suppose the lawyer could supply evidence though.)

[QUOTE=WastedJamacan;46325056]I was getting increasingly angry at some of the shit i've seen flung at those supporting the consumer revolt, so in order to calm myself down I started [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mX_3ab2yKFwR0nH_m8XbLE8FUyxobw5K-5zgOxLxCUM/edit?usp=sharing]writing[/url]. I'd like your honesty on what I had to say. Both fact-checking and opinions welcome. You should be able to comment on this, though I'd welcome critiques here in the thread as well. I'm still debating whether to post on tumblr/link to twitter. Note: I honestly don't care about journalism, so the point of my essay isn't about that. It's about the abuse gamers have received from the anti-gg side. I don't really want to talk about it because, if I post it on tumblr, I don't want people from either side coming up to me and talking to me about journalism.[/QUOTE] When it happens (and I'm almost certain it will), you can just handle it like Kazerad and point out they are entirely off-topic. [editline]edit[/editline] Seems good to me. I doubt you'll get drama from anyone not in an echo chamber for this.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46325165][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NkEWwVC.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I got a similar email a couple days ago, but it didn't mention anything about litigation. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XiBnALL.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Xubs;46325206]a thousand people is not a lot when your world population consists of 7 billion individual human beings, perhaps those same thousand agreed back then.[/QUOTE] Some of them appear to be figures in the entertainment industry. Are they just doing to save face? Then again, she's a communications major and is probably self-aware. They make less than teachers.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46325165][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NkEWwVC.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [quote]pending litigation[/quote] That could mean anything, but I have a hunch that Gawker Advertising listed a few companies as partners without permission at this point... provided this is about Gawker at all. Seriously, don't just post stuff completely without context. It's annoying and possibly harmful. At least add where you've got it from or, if it's 8chan, highlight the post and then archive that url.

I think after the stream tomorrow, if I can make it, I'm going to back out. I get way to angry with this shit.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46325270] At least add where you've got it from or, if it's 8chan, highlight the post and then archive that url.[/QUOTE] 8chan post that says "i got this from starbucks. not sure what it means" [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UsNKNEs.png[/IMG] [URL]https://8chan.co/gg/res/276321.html#q278472[/URL] thats it.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46325280]I think after the stream tomorrow, if I can make it, I'm going to back out. I get way to angry with this shit.[/QUOTE] Try taking a break for a few days, it does wonders. Browsing #GamerFruit is good too. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46325290]8chan post that says "i got this from starbucks. not sure what it means" [url]https://8chan.co/gg/res/276321.html#q278472[/url] thats it.[/QUOTE] Then that's what you should have highlighted, archived and attached to the post here. It takes all of five seconds if you have the [url]archive.today[/url] bookmarklet. (You don't have to wait for the site to be completely pulled, just until you're redirected to the archive url still showing the download status.) [editline]edit[/editline] Did you edit in that link before I hit reply or did I just miss it? :v: [URL="https://archive.today/vzF1Q"]Here's the archive.[/URL] Screenshots are still not that great since they are too easy to manipulate, although I suppose it doesn't matter that much with 8chan except for the timestamp.

Nah, I keep flippin' out on Zeke and part of me still feels justified and I know why I am but I still shouldn't be. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Like, its just Zeke, and I have no idea why.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46325313]Nah, I keep flippin' out on Zeke and part of me still feels justified and I know why I am but I still shouldn't be. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Like, its just Zeke, and I have no idea why.[/QUOTE] Oh right, judging by your post count you'll run into him a lot more. Wasn't there some Facepunch enhancement script where you could block people?

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46324889]That's an awful approach, it goes against anyone who like calm discussions and is too easily affected by crowds. It also leads to the side with the most endurance winning, not the most reasonable one. The effect is even stronger if group-think is involved because tired people will get angry about delays. (This is usually also readily seen in teacher conferences, where sometimes inconvenient themes will be pushed to the back to avoid discussing them. [trusted hearsay]) I think a lot of this group speech stuff is just "how to find a 'resolution' that seems good from the outside and keeps students quiet" instead of "how to actually solve the problem".[/QUOTE] It's a last resort but in the context of crowds it doesn't work, so I will digress from what I said. I have had successful experience from finding out one person who complained of not being apart of the group had fear of driving on the highway to each our project meetings. So I may have lumped what I said as a sliver bullet when it's the last resort in small groups. But I will add in my group speech class, we learned the material by being in involved in group projects like making a catapult toss an egg 15 yards, with some height, without breaking, all for under 15 dollars. If your group speech class doesn't do that you may not be learning the tools of the trade. Again I digress.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46325335]Oh right, judging by your post count you'll run into him a lot more. Wasn't there some Facepunch enhancement script where you could block people?[/QUOTE] I just took a look at mine and got depressed.

They didn't even use temp/throwaway accounts.... holy shit. I mean :| Where do they think the money for their defense's third appeal is going to come from? jackiechan.wtf

[QUOTE=Ithon;46325347]It's a last resort but in the context of crowds it doesn't work, so I will digress from what I said. I have had successful experience from finding out one person who complained of not being apart of the group had fear of driving on the highway to each our project meetings. So I may have lumped what I said as a sliver bullet when it's the last resort in small groups. But I will add in my group speech class, we learned the material by being in involved in group projects like making a catapult toss an egg 15 yards, with some height, without breaking, all for under 15 dollars. If your group speech class doesn't do that you may not be learning the tools of the trade. Again I digress.[/QUOTE] Ah I see, the stuff we had was different (and I'm very glad that I missed it).

[QUOTE=Swilly;46325280]I think after the stream tomorrow, if I can make it, I'm going to back out. I get way to angry with this shit.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Swilly;46325313]Nah, I keep flippin' out on Zeke and part of me still feels justified and I know why I am but I still shouldn't be. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Like, its just Zeke, and I have no idea why.[/QUOTE]Learn to ride it like a wave. Get livid, then take yourself out of it, let others handle it for a time, and play a game to relax. Then when you've had a nice cooling off for a bit, get back in the fight.

Lost control of my life, I haven't coded anything in like 2 weeks. Anyway, here's some pro-GG motivation (if you have a particular type of hatred for SJWs): [url]http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/10/saluting-gamergate/[/url]

[QUOTE=Domokun;46324100]That's a huge claim but can she back it up?[/QUOTE] Not really considering its cause falls under the mental category and not the gender category.

[QUOTE=Swilly;46325313]Nah, I keep flippin' out on Zeke and part of me still feels justified and I know why I am but I still shouldn't be. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Like, its just Zeke, and I have no idea why.[/QUOTE] He's been touched by the HP lovecraft identity and through his madness it's trying to reach you!

Gamergate beat the SJW spin Gamergate Waded through Mainstream media hell without a scratch But Can Gamergate take on...[I] ANONYMOUS?!?[/I] *dun dun dun* [URL]https://twitter.com/OpGamerGate/status/525805886355173376[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/CommanderXanon/status/525698584109645825[/URL]