Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

<scout voice>So scared</scout voice>

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46325198]Oh the US justice system. I'm glad it's a lot different here, stuff like running out of money like that doesn't happen quite as much here (and even then most people have legal insurance afaik). Well, in this case I suppose they could hold out to the last instance and would still lose, since a lawsuit would seems justified (if not necessarily entirely warranted... then again there's no stopping those people otherwise). [editline]edit[/editline] Wouldn't the criminal case be run by a prosecutor though? It would be extremely strange if a criminal and civil case were conflated like this, coming from a country civil law. Here the civil case (for damages) only starts after the criminal one is through with a guilty verdict. (I suppose the lawyer could supply evidence though.)[/QUOTE] It will start as criminal case with very strict guidelines and a prosecutor, yes. The prosecutor will have to prove malicious intent and proof of misuse of civil infrastructure. (Kind of goes without saying he already has a very strong case, roflmao) It also counts as an internet crime, which in this case will likely carry federal charges because of the nature of the (fake) complaint lodged. Because of other tweets concerning him that are archived, Cernovich's lawyer may also get this tagged as a hate crime, which California deals with very seriously compared to most places aside from New York, Massachusetts, Washington and Oregon, though that one is dubious. The civil one will start after the criminal one, yes, and though the verdict is NOT supposed to matter, it will, because it goes directly to intent, opportunity and motive, and since Lulzradio and Caroline rather incredulously used their base accounts at the [archived] written behest of Quinn, the FBI [i]will[/i] subpoena all three electronic devices and emails thereof. The verdict not mattering is the main issue, all the civil suit has to prove is culpability of either malice or willful misconduct, which again, is literally all there in vetted and archived screenshots, and is literally a cut and dried case. So basically IF he gets this thing to court, they are likely to have rather an unpleasant string of months ahead of them.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46325670]Gamergate beat the SJW spin Gamergate Waded through Mainstream media hell without a scratch But Can Gamergate take on...[I] ANONYMOUS?!?[/I] *dun dun dun* [URL]https://twitter.com/OpGamerGate/status/525805886355173376[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/CommanderXanon/status/525698584109645825[/URL][/QUOTE] Anyone can take up the mask and for com x "#FuckTrolls" does he or she know what marblecake is?

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[QUOTE=Wii60;46325670]Gamergate beat the SJW spin Gamergate Waded through Mainstream media hell without a scratch But Can Gamergate take on...[I] ANONYMOUS?!?[/I] *dun dun dun* [URL]https://twitter.com/OpGamerGate/status/525805886355173376[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/CommanderXanon/status/525698584109645825[/URL][/QUOTE] Its cute they think they scare anyone.

I've almost blown a gasket when a few of my favorite webcomics ended-up making anti-GG posts on their websites. Then they mostly link to articles like this: [URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/[/URL] Or this: [URL]http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-ways-gamergate-debate-has-made-world-worse/[/URL] I think I'm having an aneurysm. It's like they don't even bother doing proper research, just a quick google search. Fucking hell, I really like their comic but I've never been more conflicted in my entire life. This is pissing me off so much.

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;46325923]I've almost blown a gasket when a few of my favorite webcomics ended-up making anti-GG posts on their websites. Then they mostly link to articles like this: [URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/14/the-only-guide-to-gamergate-you-will-ever-need-to-read/[/URL] Or this: [URL]http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-ways-gamergate-debate-has-made-world-worse/[/URL] I think I'm having an aneurysm. It's like they don't even bother doing proper research, just a quick google search. Fucking hell, I really like their comic but I've never been more conflicted in my entire life. This is pissing me off so much.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/news/fry-my-love-of-wagner-is-tearing-me-apart-1928023.html[/url] [quote]"Imagine a great beautiful silk tapestry of infinite colour and complexity that has been stained indelibly. It's still a beautiful tapestry of miraculous workmanship, but that stain is real, and I'm afraid Hitler and Nazism have stained Wagner. For some people that stain ruins the whole work; for others, it's just something you have to face up to."[/quote] It's possible to enjoy the art and hate everything the artist stands for. Wagner was a terrible bigot, an antisemite whose works became linked with Nazism. Fry is a Jew whose family members perished in Auschwitz. He thinks that Wagner's music is the most beautiful music he's ever heard. Food for thought.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46325670]Gamergate beat the SJW spin Gamergate Waded through Mainstream media hell without a scratch But Can Gamergate take on...[I] ANONYMOUS?!?[/I] *dun dun dun* [URL]https://twitter.com/OpGamerGate/status/525805886355173376[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/CommanderXanon/status/525698584109645825[/URL][/QUOTE] Unless it hits @YourAnonNews, I don't think many Anons are going to follow along with this. Most will probably keep doing what they've already been doing lately (Shaw shooting, Ferguson, or PayPal 14).

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46325940][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/news/fry-my-love-of-wagner-is-tearing-me-apart-1928023.html[/url] It's possible to enjoy the art and hate everything the artist stands for. Wagner was a terrible bigot, an antisemite whose works became linked with Nazism. Fry is a Jew whose family members perished in Auschwitz. He thinks that Wagner's music is the most beautiful music he's ever heard. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know. Thanks for the reiteration, though. That's what I needed to see. I'll keep reading them. It's just a reminder that GamerGate may have won the debate, but that victory has mostly been ignored by mainstream media and is still misleading a lot of people because of it.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46325940][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/news/fry-my-love-of-wagner-is-tearing-me-apart-1928023.html[/URL] It's possible to enjoy the art and hate everything the artist stands for. Wagner was a terrible bigot, an antisemite whose works became linked with Nazism. Fry is a Jew whose family members perished in Auschwitz. He thinks that Wagner's music is the most beautiful music he's ever heard. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] I was about to post that exact thing. That's the heart of this issue. People telling people what to think without the remotest attention to context. You have the right to examine the art as you wish, and if you are conflicted, decide the best course of action externally.

William Usher (#GameJournoPros leaker) speaks out [url]http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/29/7694/breaking-the-chain-an-interview-with-william-usher[/url]

[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46325979]William Usher (#GameJournoPros leaker) speaks out [url]http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/29/7694/breaking-the-chain-an-interview-with-william-usher[/url][/QUOTE] [quote][b]APGNation[/b]: [i]How do you feel the support of individuals such as Adam Baldwin and Milo Yiannopoulos have impacted #GamerGate? What advice do you have for supporters of #GamerGate to get their message heard?[/i] [b]WU[/b]: As a gamer, I’m extremely grateful that we have such prominent individuals as Adam Baldwin, Milo Yiannopoulos and Dr. Christina H. Sommers standing up on behalf of #GamerGate. Without such figureheads the movement wouldn’t have had enough credibility on its own to maintain solvency. While #GamerGate itself is leaderless, the figureheads help maintain a strong morale boost. It’s easy for the average person to feel helpless and voiceless when being attacked by the media. However, individuals with strong public appeal can help mitigate some of the tension and pressure that the media tried dumping on the movement, which is a good thing. The best way to help spread the word is to take #GamerGate to the gaming communities who don’t know what’s going on. One way or another, the end-results will have an affect on the industry in the long run and it’s important gamers are at least made aware of what’s going. It’s unlikely active gamers wouldn’t want to support #GamerGate if they only knew about it. Funny that the censorship and one-sided stories help suppress #GamerGate from getting out there.[/quote] Cool, someone shares my thoughts.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46325940][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/news/fry-my-love-of-wagner-is-tearing-me-apart-1928023.html[/url] It's possible to enjoy the art and hate everything the artist stands for. Wagner was a terrible bigot, an antisemite whose works became linked with Nazism. Fry is a Jew whose family members perished in Auschwitz. He thinks that Wagner's music is the most beautiful music he's ever heard. Food for thought.[/QUOTE] Actually, fun fact: Wagner was probably anti-Semitic to some extent, but only as much as any other non-Jew would be in that time period. When he died, his sister (a legit Nazi-level anti-Semite) fucked with his journal, took things out of context and even made stuff up, all to try and make it seem like he had agreed with her during life. This then became the accepted life of Wagner, which honestly is really fucking sad. [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] Also, loving how many of the people supporting this #OpGamergate shit are using words like 'lulz'. Are they stuck in 2006?

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46326325]Lulz is still better than kek. Mainly because lul mean dick in Dutch and I'm easily entertained.[/QUOTE] The best one is easily roflcopter. It's a helicopter. What do you have to lose?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46324073]This is disgusting, anyone who had a shred of respect for her just look at this. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zqNg7ua.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Devilish avocado here. This is not necessarily a "men are evil" statement, but a problem that (egalitarian) feminism aims to address in favour of everyone involved. So this screencap doesn't work as a 'piece of evidence for her lack of integrity', without knowing what kind of agenda she drives.

No she's still equating masculinity to the drive that causes people to go on mass shootings. Which is offensively deluded. If you can replace 'masculinity' with 'femininity', and have the sentence appear really sexist, it was sexist in the first place.

max started spamming agg posts all over his blog and its really bothering me [t]http://a.pomf.se/dejpta.jpg[/t] he's using the same "LOOK AT ALL THOSE WORDS" thing that lw did with that one IRC chat to make it look bad

[QUOTE=e_k_M;46326719]max started spamming agg posts all over his blog and its really bothering me [t]http://a.pomf.se/dejpta.jpg[/t] he's using the same "LOOK AT ALL THOSE WORDS" thing that lw did with that one IRC chat to make it look bad[/QUOTE] Will we just ignore him. He's chronically stupid and we should stop paying attention. He'll stop and relize what a pathetic human being he is, He might be lurking as well.

[QUOTE=e_k_M;46326719]max started spamming agg posts all over his blog and its really bothering me [t]http://a.pomf.se/dejpta.jpg[/t] he's using the same "LOOK AT ALL THOSE WORDS" thing that lw did with that one IRC chat to make it look bad[/QUOTE] Maybe that's because the subreddit has been around for far longer than Gamergate has, and literally the entire [I]point[/I] of KotakuInAction was originally to point out ridiculous behaviour by Kotaku and those closely involved with it, eg Anita Sarkeesian?

[QUOTE=Talishmar;46326689]Devilish avocado here. This is not necessarily a "men are evil" statement, but a problem that (egalitarian) feminism aims to address in favour of everyone involved. So this screencap doesn't work as a 'piece of evidence for her lack of integrity', without knowing what kind of agenda she drives.[/QUOTE] I think you make an interesting point, but I also think this touches on a person's credibility. Sarkeesian has lost so much of my respect for her that, no, I do think she means this as a 'men are evil' kind of thing. For example, I started reading a story on a site that my story is on, and because it was so full of basic, elementary-grade mistakes, I thought the author was an idiot. So when he wrote that a female character invited a guy over after knowing him for a day and started to blow him, I didn't trust that the author had the maturity and talent to get away with a sexist beginning. It's the same thing with Sarkeesian. Her research has so many holes and so many cherry-picked details that I don't trust she has the maturity to realize the problem isn't men, but how men are raised.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;46325174]Politicians and religious clerics were laughed at for saying the same thing while citing from conducted studies from renowned academia 10 years ago. Several years later, and you see thousands of people immediately agreeing with a person who cites an opinion pieces as a credible source. What happened?[/QUOTE] People bandwagoned on it because "its a feminist, so it can't be wrong, and its obviously good! Look at me doing good, look!"

Remember that guy I posted a while ago that said Vivian was the mascot of #Notyourshield? Apparently 90% of what he knows about GG comes from here: [url]http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate[/url] It's a fun read, I'll tell you that much.

Jesus christ look at the footnotes cited. :v:

The whole wiki is a disgusting cesspool full of lies and thinly-veiled attacks on various communities, specially those based on pseudo-science. It's a circlejerk that does nothing but prove that the bigoted, condescending atheist stereotype is, to an extent, true.

How is the Gawker-bingo game looking as of right now?

[QUOTE=lekkimsm;46327430]How is the Gawker-bingo game looking as of right now?[/QUOTE] I lost track. Give me a minute to try to catch up again. Gah, uploader's broken. If we get scion we've got a bingo though.

[url]http://www.twitch.tv/GGExtraLife[/url] [quote] From 8chan: Join @Sikis2011 @TheHat2 & @AneiDoru for the beginning of the #GamerGate #ExtraLife2014 main event! [url]http://www.twitch.tv/GGExtraLife[/url] Guest and Host List All times are for Saturday unless otherwise specified by (Su) Guests 8:00 & 9:00 AM: AnieDoru 10:00 AM: Rutledge Daugette 11:00 AM: Jennifer Dawe & Mark "Actionpts" Ceb 12:00 PM: Frederick "Hotwheels" Brennan 1:00 PM: Damir Hailovic & Stephen Welsh 2:00 PM: Milo Yiannopoulos 3:00 PM: PixelMetal & Ben Dalton 4:00 PM: SecretSquaff & SeeThruReview 5:00 PM: Kyle McConaughey & Micah Curtis 6:00 PM: Jason Miller & CodingTeddy 7:00 PM: Stew Heckenburg & ElvishClock 8:00 PM: Isiac DeGraca 9:00 PM: Lo-Ping 10:00 PM: RalphRetort 6:00 AM (Su): IndieJuice Hosts 8:00 AM - 4:00 PM: Hat2 4:00 PM - 6:00 PM: WhiskyGrenade 6:00 PM - 1:00 AM (Su): Shill (Spellsfired.com) 1:00 AM (Su)- 8:00 AM (Su): Kyle McConaughey Follow: @GGExtraLife for updates Bamp so people can see this. Spread this to chans/escapist/twitter/reddit/etc[/quote]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46326700]No she's still equating masculinity to the drive that causes people to go on mass shootings. Which is offensively deluded. If you can replace 'masculinity' with 'femininity', and have the sentence appear really sexist, it was sexist in the first place.[/QUOTE] Is she though? "Ideas of toxic masculinity in our culture" might mean "masculinity is the problem" as well as "society that enforces masculine behaviour is the problem". Reversibly it is enforced femininity rather than femininity that causes problems for women.

Apparently GamersGate (not #gamergate) has been dogpiled on during this whole chaos. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/wzli8D1.png[/IMG] [url]http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/post/100902760368/known-retail-video-game-site-gamersgate-com-is[/url]

I can already envision the excuse for this... "_____"