Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Reimu;46331421] "Misogynoodle" is my favorite term to come out of GamerGate.[/QUOTE] [T]http://i.imgur.com/RgQ1uHv.png[/T] Sorry.

Here's something to lighten the serious mood in the thread [video=youtube;P2oEQSdhTjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2oEQSdhTjc[/video]

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46329839]Let me fill you in on a few things 1. Sociopaths don't exist. The actual clinical term is psychopath, and the majority of psychopaths are rarely violent openly believe it or not. The key factor in a prediction of whether a clinical psychopath using violence to solve problems is IQ. Low IQ psychopaths end up in jail early in life. [...][/QUOTE] It seems the terms are used somewhat interchangeably in (scientific) literature, or so I've heard. [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Banned?;46329905]It's an either or term, generally used depending on the severity of the case.[/QUOTE] I probably should start queueing up all replies and then only sending them after I reach the end of the thread :v: [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46329960]Welp you reap what you sow[/QUOTE] He even offered to drop the whole case for an apology. She instead started misrepresenting his side of the conversation. (Also apparently she antagonized the only lawyer that this lawyer fears besides his own lawyer, or something.)

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46329839]Let me fill you in on a few things 1. Sociopaths don't exist. The actual clinical term is psychopath, and the majority of psychopaths are rarely violent openly believe it or not. The key factor in a prediction of whether a clinical psychopath using violence to solve problems is IQ. Low IQ psychopaths end up in jail early in life. [/QUOTE] Isn't sociopath/psychopath interchangeable? From what I understand both terms describe the same thing. edit: literally what Tamschi said but I wrote this before reading what he said... ;_

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46332536]It seems the terms are used somewhat interchangeably in (scientific) literature, or so I've heard.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46332648]Isn't sociopath/psychopath interchangeable? From what I understand both terms describe the same thing.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly "sociopath" is supposed to be a sort of replacement term for psychopath, as psychopath was considered to have accrued too many stigmas for standard use. It didn't really help. No matter what you call it, any mental condition which eventually gets explained as "Like the Joker from Batman" isn't going to stay untarnished.

#NotAllSociopaths

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331888][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B01TZhICUAAdOtb.jpg[/IMG] i can't stop laughing[/QUOTE] Ah right, that's the second lawyer the lawyer is afraid of, apparently.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46329839]Let me fill you in on a few things 1. Sociopaths don't exist. The actual clinical term is psychopath, and the majority of psychopaths are rarely violent openly believe it or not. The key factor in a prediction of whether a clinical psychopath using violence to solve problems is IQ. Low IQ psychopaths end up in jail early in life. 2. You don't "become" a psychopath. This isn't a hannibal lecter movie, in real life psychopathy is directly correlated with low functioning of the amygdala. This is primarily a birth condition, secondarily an early development condition. Of the children who do have early life experiences that are correlated with psychopathy, it is almost invariably child abuse or early life trauma that influences it. Psychopaths dont feel empathy because they literally cannot feel empathy. Not because someone told them being a "man" was about not caring about other people for fucks sake. Secondly this is patented bullshit, nearly all the mass shooters in recent years have been one thing: Social outcasts. Of course feminists don't want to address this because it doesn't follow the narrative that men are violent because of "toxic masculinity" and it also avoids addressing the tacit implication that male peers suffer significantly worse bullying and social exclusion than their female peers on average. Jackson Katz, who she is directing to there, doesn't have a fucking clue what hes talking about.[/QUOTE] Fucking FINALLY, no one ever agrees with me when I ever try and bring up you the fact you can be born a psycho, and usually thats the case. Its something that happens at birth or a child, at least thats when the actual seed is planted and by then its too late, its not a mental issue at that point, its a chemical issue, so a physical one. One thats permanent pretty much for the rest of your life. The worst part is some people just cannot wrap there fucking heads around the fact some people are inherently just bad people, in the sense its literally impossible for them to feel empathy like you said. There is a reason that people in the military in shit could end up killing 50 people or brutally tortured as a PoW and be a perfectly normal person, hell they could end up being the president realistically. Where as some kid that shoots a few people in a school isnt sane, and clearly mentally ill. This is why the majority of people who commit suicide dont go on massive killing sprees for no reason even though they are gonna die so ultimately nothing matters at all to them. Even then those people dont kill others.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46332745]#NotAllSociopaths[/QUOTE] On that note, I remember reading that psychopaths can use their mirror neurons/empathy without issue if they decide to switch it on ([URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-empathic-brain/201307/inside-the-mind-psychopath-empathic-not-always"]as evidenced by brain scans[/URL]).

This is why I always wanted to study psychology. Shit's interesting. Shame I'm dumb as bricks and had to go with linguistics :downs:

Technically speaking, a socio/psychopath does not [i]have[/i] to be a bad person. That's actually part of the reason why they tried the rebranding stratagem; too many people had put "psycho" right next to "evil" and "violent" in their mental vocabulary. All that sociopathy means is that they can't emphasize. Granted, not being capable of empathy makes being a bad person a [i]hell[/i] of a lot easier, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of someone with it managing to live a good life in spite of that. (It would also be interesting as hell to hear/read about too. Like, what coping mechanisms would they use?)

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46332779]On that note, I remember reading that psychopaths can use their mirror neurons/empathy without issue if they decide to switch it on ([URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-empathic-brain/201307/inside-the-mind-psychopath-empathic-not-always"]as evidenced by brain scans[/URL]).[/QUOTE] From my knowledge/experience with this issue and people who have it it tends to be the case that as they're growing up they learn to mimic behavior through cognitive means instead of empathy. Usually babies use empathy to learn how to behave from their parents, but for sociopaths since this is diminished they need to develop better cognitive skills instead, and so the ones that succeed in doing this (not the ones with low IQ like the other guy mentioned earlier) tend to be pretty smart people, capable of perfectly interacting in ways that we find acceptable and even "hacking" social skills for optimization, which is why some of them seem to be charming. Of course most of this isn't intentional for most of them.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46332765]Fucking FINALLY, no one ever agrees with me when I ever try and bring up you the fact you can be born a psycho, and usually thats the case. Its something that happens at birth or a child, at least thats when the actual seed is planted and by then its too late, its not a mental issue at that point, its a chemical issue, so a physical one. One thats permanent pretty much for the rest of your life. The worst part is some people just cannot wrap there fucking heads around the fact some people are inherently just bad people, in the sense its literally impossible for them to feel empathy like you said.[/QUOTE] I don't think lack of empathy is enough to make someone a bad person. Considering that its prevalence is thought to be higher than 1% you'd see a lot more "bad people" with a similar profile if this was the case. From what I've read there's usually a coincidence of abuse and disposition if someone becomes severely criminal (though I wouldn't be surprised if that combination was made more prevalent due to the latter part running in the family). [QUOTE]There is a reason that people in the military in shit could end up killing 50 people or brutally tortured as a PoW and be a perfectly normal person, hell they could end up being the president realistically. Where as some kid that shoots a few people in a school isnt sane, and clearly mentally ill.[/QUOTE] I'm not denying that there's mental illness involved, but I think in many cases it's not this particular one. Somewhat relatedly, I don't expect someone who feels empathy to come out "perfectly normal" from those military situations. PTSD seems to pretty much destroy a lot of people's lives. [QUOTE]This is why the majority of people who commit suicide dont go on massive killing sprees for no reason even though they are gonna die so ultimately nothing matters at all to them. Even then those people dont kill others.[/QUOTE] I don't think this is quite true, from what I've read [URL="http://news.ubc.ca/2013/06/13/first-major-study-of-suicide-motivations-to-advance-prevention/"]a lot of suicidal people actually care [I]a lot[/I][/URL]. (The stereotype of organizing their life beforehand probably also doesn't come out of thin air.) [editline]edit[/editline] If someone really doesn't care (momentarily), I think that's when you start to see impulsive suicides that endanger other people, like intentional car crashes.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46332841]I don't think lack of empathy is enough to make someone a bad person. Considering that its prevalence is thought to be higher than 1% you'd see a lot more "bad people" with a similar profile if this was the case. [/QUOTE] Last I checked it was estimated as 4-5% of the population. And yea, having this doesn't make you a bad person by default.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331612]The Chief Architect of Google+ has come out as Anti-Gamergate [URL]https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/CV1rfAzdiEf[/URL] [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] FemFreq Doxxed someone (revealed IP) [URL]https://archive.today/XWrkR[/URL][/QUOTE] I'd post the thunderclaps gg did but the one against corruption got 4000 participants and the against harassment one didn't get publicized as much so it has 200.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;46332850]Last I checked it was estimated as 4-5% of the population. And yea, having this doesn't make you a bad person by default.[/QUOTE] It seems to be estimated differently depending on where the line is drawn (since like many other issues it's a spectrum), sometimes the figure given is 1% or 3% depending on gender. I went with >1% because that's more or less what any source will agree on. I think one of the main issues is that it's diagnosed in part based on criminal activity etc, but I can see why it would be very difficult to do it otherwise without heavy/expensive equipment. ([editline]edit[/editline] Afaik the common denominator symptom is flat affect, but as soon as someone becomes somewhat proficient at displaying the normal response most people won't notice. It would also still be difficult to measure... though there's also blink/startle reflex inhibition in relation to disgust that can be fairly easily measured (with an electrode) for weakness/absence when provoked. I only saw anecdotal correlation about the latter in some TV program though.) [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Pennywise;46332818][...] (It would also be interesting as hell to hear/read about too. Like, what coping mechanisms would they use?)[/QUOTE] There's this blog that's very interesting if you can get past the occasional self-aggrandising: [url]http://www.sociopathworld.com/[/url] From what I can tell it's pretty much your average self-help blog, with a good portion of "fan mail" and assorted things. Some of the commentators also have their own blogs, but of course this is a lot smaller and less organised than e.g. autism self-advocacy. (There's also a forum somewhere but that's more or less an OIFY with smart people.) [editline]edit[/editline] For the opposite perspective I suppose you could use [url]http://www.lovefraud.com/[/url] as a starting point. It's a site for people who dated sociopaths, so as you can expect there's a very different focus there (but at least people seem to stay factual on both of the sites I linked). As you probably already expect there's a good amount of punches flying between the sites. Both of the owners are published authors too, and they seem to [URL="http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/08/love-fraud-book.html"]have been bashing[/URL] [URL="http://www.lovefraud.com/2013/05/14/confessions-sociopath-book-buy-read/"]each other's book[/URL] :v:

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331612]The Chief Architect of Google+ has come out as Anti-Gamergate [URL]https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/CV1rfAzdiEf[/URL] [editline]25th October 2014[/editline] FemFreq Doxxed someone (revealed IP) [URL]https://archive.today/XWrkR[/URL][/QUOTE] Why do we care about the opinion of the architect of a failed social network that only survives because its parent company keeps shoving it where it doesn't belong?

Tumblr is generally agreeing with Anita's shitpost using a tragety as a plugin: [url]http://milkandcooki.tumblr.com/post/100977007361/sturmtruppen-totallynotagentphilcoulson[/url]

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;46333029]Why do we care about the opinion of the architect of a failed social network that only survives because its parent company keeps shoving it where it doesn't belong?[/QUOTE] Google should just kill G+ and bring back their RSS reader that everyone loved.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;46333029]Why do we care about the opinion of the architect of a failed social network that only survives because its parent company keeps shoving it where it doesn't belong?[/QUOTE] Technically it's better than Facebook, I just don't know enough people who use it (but the sites I actually care about seem to). It seems to be very popular among photographers. [QUOTE=Zet;46333071]Google should just kill G+ and bring back their RSS reader that everyone loved.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://feedly.com/index.html"]Feedly[/URL] is a good alternative, if you weren't already using a local reader. [URL="http://theoldreader.com/"]The Old Reader[/URL] is a bit more like Google's iirc.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46333091] [URL="http://theoldreader.com/"]The Old Reader[/URL] is a bit more like Google's iirc.[/QUOTE] Damn, who needs over 100 news feeds?? [editline]26th October 2014[/editline] I just sent a message via Tumblr to someone who makes music that I really like about #GG because they were reblogging a bunch of Anti-GG stuff. I feel like I've broken some personal, cardinal rule of the internet to never touch the poop.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331416][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4K5AILi.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Wright_(author)[/url][/QUOTE] Oh wow, I didn't know Ironman17 was well-known author.

[quote] cardinal [/quote] People are going to come up with whatever opinion they want, all you can do is put the information in front of them, they'll take it or not, they'll come to a decision on their own. I have four friends at BWE/M. One of them is pretty much SJW material without the title (or crazy), and one of them is now super high within the company has gone from bro-gamer to full on SJW apologist in all but name in the course of four years; the other two have quietly stayed the course and are simply just generally good people. They know my opinions about these things are mostly accepting that I'm never going to drink the cool aid, and going from scrupulously fair to OMG WE MUST RIGHT ALL THE WRONGS EVEN THE ONES THAT DON'T EXIST AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE PERSONALLY THINK ARE THE MOST BESTEST TO FIX AND FUCK EVERYONE ELSE WHO EVER THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY, NO SERIOUSLY SEND THEM TO CAMPS AND BURN THEM FOR REAL ON PIKES I MEAN IT is never going to happen, even if the entire rest of the world accedes to the pressure to jump on said bandwagon. I've been raped twice when I was a child and unable to defend myself, another attempted assault when I was 16 ended very differently, I didn't even know having different skin colors being a sum negative was a thing until I saw it on TV when I was 10, and had to be told stuff they sure as hell weren't teaching in schools. I've got plenty of SJW stripes material in the resume, but I'm never going to join, because the movement is literally divorced from both reality and common sense, and usually the loudest cacophony from the movement comes from people who've never actually experienced a hard day in their entire life (protip: getting your limited edition swag a day late because the FedEx jet broke down in Tenesee is not a hard day; having someone on twitter you're never going to meet call you a name is not even close to abuse, and if you think it is, you've never actually encountered a situation where someone has literal and real power over the immediate course of your life or your well-being, mental or otherwise.) I've been in touch with two of them since this blew up, and one of them is expecting one of my famous hyper-rants in favor of #AGG, and they're kind of pissed it's never going to happen, because when they go to work, that's what the air of environment is. BWE is [B]literally[/B] 100% insulated from the environment around them, and in a very progressive city to boot, and that kind of environment is incredibly effective at altering your perception of how the world is. People throw around the phrase "echo chamber" a lot, but it absolutely fits, in that quirky way that internet topical zings do. These people hear the same things every day, many many times over. When militant people like David Gaider are your boss, the likelihood that you spending years in that mindset is going to leak into your own views and thoughts is not only palpable, it's pretty much guaranteed unless you have an extremely strong personality. David Gaider literally hates his customers, not as in "oh golly, there're some dumb people that buy our games" but as in "I actually really completely fucking hate you guys and wished very much if you would die, like right now on the spot". This is the guy crafting the context and narrative that defines the wold that DA resides and has a SJW hard-on so magnificent that every time he changes blood pressure medicine he has to buy a new wardrobe. That kind of attitude [B]is[/B] going bleed over, even if he never intended for it to. When Hepler left he took it personally, and as far as he was concerned there are no sides to her departure but his. I bought DA2, even though knowing what was going on in the background assured I never had any intention of taking it out of the shrink-wrap, you have to support the bros and sisses, root for the team even though a couple of captains are frankly frothy mouthed batshit angry about shit they don't even deal with on a personal level anymore due to being a very good graces and places. I'm not going to make the same mistake with Inquisition. I'm not going to support a company that employs people that actively despise my existence because I won't adhere to some petulantly childish ideal of insinuated guilting and shame over not having the same ideology, over the notion that just because I wear a t-shirt with the Arbiter on it that somehow I'm one hair's breadth away from grabbing Felicia Day in broad daylight and dragging her into an alley to have my way with her and teach her a lesson about where people with vaginas belong in western society. Not a minute or dime of my time or money. I don't care how fancy the engine is, I don't care how much logistical stone they had to bust to get Storyteller to fit in the workflow, and how many buckets of blood sweat and ass went in the new story by people so genuinely enthused to craft that perfect moment of crystallized amazingness that it's guaranteed to make a marine just back from Kandahar burst into tears and cry in the fetal position for five hours cause it's so much story omg. The principle is to support the people you give a damn about, but after the last two months I'd have to be a complete fucking moron to financially support an entity that actively encourages the kind of behavior exhibited so far. I'm not spending a dime on someone who actually [I]hates[/I] my guts because I don't care to follow their grand plan for social engineering. The subsequent Mass Effect isn't looking like much of a buy either, but I'll keep an open mind. If people expect to have any real traction in getting publishers and journalists to treat their customers like human beings, they're going to have to start thinking about the ramifications of financially endowing organizations that actively despise them. I can't speak for anyone else but giving people who'd like nothing more than to have heard you got cancer or something equally unpleasant money sounds pretty fucking obtuse.

[QUOTE=Pennywise;46332818]Technically speaking, a socio/psychopath does not [i]have[/i] to be a bad person. That's actually part of the reason why they tried the rebranding stratagem; too many people had put "psycho" right next to "evil" and "violent" in their mental vocabulary. All that sociopathy means is that they can't emphasize. Granted, not being capable of empathy makes being a bad person a [i]hell[/i] of a lot easier, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of someone with it managing to live a good life in spite of that. (It would also be interesting as hell to hear/read about too. Like, what coping mechanisms would they use?)[/QUOTE] They [I]can [/I]live a good life... as long as it serves their purpose. Being able to go from upstanding citizen to remorseless and self-serving, and back again at the drop of a hat is what makes them so dangerous.

Do you ever wonder if this is just Gizmodo behind the scenes doing a years-long 2008 style "integrity-b-gone" prank on all of us

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331416][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4K5AILi.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Wright_(author)[/url][/QUOTE] How does he know that pdrax is lying if he "knows nothing" and refuses to do research? :v:

Don't anyone have the latest Gawker bingo plate?

[QUOTE=Wii60;46331416][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4K5AILi.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Wright_(author)[/url][/QUOTE] There should be a "Burn" rating for facepunch

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;46334220]There should be a "Burn" rating for facepunch[/QUOTE] "Zing" kind of works

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46332841]I don't think lack of empathy is enough to make someone a bad person. Considering that its prevalence is thought to be higher than 1% you'd see a lot more "bad people" with a similar profile if this was the case. From what I've read there's usually a coincidence of abuse and disposition if someone becomes severely criminal (though I wouldn't be surprised if that combination was made more prevalent due to the latter part running in the family). I'm not denying that there's mental illness involved, but I think in many cases it's not this particular one. Somewhat relatedly, I don't expect someone who feels empathy to come out "perfectly normal" from those military situations. PTSD seems to pretty much destroy a lot of people's lives. I don't think this is quite true, from what I've read [URL="http://news.ubc.ca/2013/06/13/first-major-study-of-suicide-motivations-to-advance-prevention/"]a lot of suicidal people actually care [I]a lot[/I][/URL]. (The stereotype of organizing their life beforehand probably also doesn't come out of thin air.) [editline]edit[/editline] If someone really doesn't care (momentarily), I think that's when you start to see impulsive suicides that endanger other people, like intentional car crashes.[/QUOTE] I was speaking rather broadly about most of that stuff, and yeah I know it doesnt make you a bad person ultimately I was speaking more about those that kind of are, I was just putting a lot bluntly, same goes for the suicide, I meant it more as these people are the at their ultimate low, if you have a gun to your head or a noose around your neck then you are pretty much at your lowest point, and the fact people can break out of that, or not get in the mindset of wanting to hurt others even though they were just about to kill themselves. Same goes for the military stuff, I know stuff like PTSD can destroy lives and does, I just meant that people can still come out of that stuff sane and normal in the end. I mean in my mind thats pretty telling just how skewed of a mindset you really need to be in to kill others for no real reason, thats the point I was ultimately trying to make.