Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

JonTron speaks out on Gamergate in a vine. [url]https://vine.co/v/OhEBuMeVTIz[/url]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hGn8OjJ.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46337540][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hGn8OjJ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Evidently a joke or maybe that's what you are pointing out.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46337555]Evidently a joke or maybe that's what you are pointing out.[/QUOTE] Seeing as Maddox tweeted earlier that GG supporters don't get enough credit for denouncing the shitlords sending threats, I'm pretty sure that's a joke.

I avoid the twitter , its not a very pleasant place.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46337179]if gawker ever bitches about doxxing remember this [url]https://archive.today/SFhxa[/url][/QUOTE] In the comment section: [QUOTE]K-leigh 1/08/13 4:00pm The journal posted my address and name for my gun ownership. My past stalker saw this. I haven't heard from him in two years, because I disappeared. Now he is back and calling me......thanks to people like you bunch of assholes, looks like I will have to protect myself from becoming a murder victim. Gracias. [/QUOTE] Christ, this article might have cost some innocent woman's life. And Gawker tries to be the paragon of social justice now?

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46337555]Evidently a joke or maybe that's what you are pointing out.[/QUOTE] You don't know who Maddox is do you?

So Anti-GG in the future might implode on itself?

[QUOTE=Zet;46337256]If Gawker goes bankrupt, what happens to moots girlfriend?[/QUOTE] Nothing, she's already living off moot.

most of these prominent figureheads in anti-GG are upper class kids. The businesses they work for going bankrupt is unlikely to have any real dramatic financial impact on their lives. Prime example being Alex Lifschitz, trust fund baby of daddy who works for a massive arms development company. Which is really the irony of waving the social justice flag and talking about "white" privilege. This motherfucker has more money and more real, tangible privilege than nearly all the people he slanders. He'll never have to worry about what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. He'll never have to do the job hunt, he'll never be laid off for profit margins, he'll never be in debt, he'll never have anxiety about his financial future.

[QUOTE=Jordax;46337614]In the comment section: Christ, this article might have cost some innocent woman's life. And Gawker tries to be the paragon of social justice now?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/crSj7/5fc019d551.png[/IMG] The article only lists the names of gun owners, not their addresses.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;46337888]most of these prominent figureheads in anti-GG are upper class kids. The businesses they work for going bankrupt is unlikely to have any real dramatic financial impact on their lives. Prime example being Alex Lifschitz, trust fund baby of daddy who works for a massive arms development company. Which is really the irony of waving the social justice flag and talking about "white" privilege. This motherfucker has more money and more real, tangible privilege than nearly all the people he slanders. He'll never have to worry about what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. He'll never have to do the job hunt, he'll never be laid off for profit margins, he'll never be in debt, he'll never have anxiety about his financial future.[/QUOTE] The hilarious thing is that he's an extremist SJ type, but his daddy has investments in high-end property and arms selling, two things that SJ types get pretty pissed about. Pretty funny that his little rant about how evil GTA V is was likely partially funded from an arms sale his dad did with Brazil.

[QUOTE=nomad1;46337740]So Anti-GG in the future might implode on itself?[/QUOTE] Not really, but the echo chamber is quite obviously becoming more compact with how good they are at alienating moderates. At some point they're just going to loose almost all social traction because they can't hit a commonly relateable wave-length any more.

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;46335470][IMG]http://a.pomf.se/wgwonm.png[/IMG] based smegma[/QUOTE] He does have a good point. I'm curious about who makes up the dev teams of SJW games.

[QUOTE=Wowza!;46337954][IMG]http://puu.sh/crSj7/5fc019d551.png[/IMG] The article only lists the names of gun owners, not their addresses.[/QUOTE] There's a linked article publishing addresses. I think comments like that are somewhat likely to be made up though, considering that's a very classic (and obviously a bit dramatised) sob-story and there are people who have something to gain from that appeal to emotion. It's not [I]too[/I] unlikely that something like this happens, statistically speaking, but I'm not going to take anything from a comments section at face value just like that.

[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46338082]He does have a good point. I'm curious about who makes up the dev teams of SJW games.[/QUOTE] That shouldn't actually be relevant since employment should be based on qualifications and not demographics.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;46338125]That shouldn't actually be relevant since employment should be based on qualifications and not demographics.[/QUOTE] I agree, but I'm just curious to see if they actually practice what they preach. They hate cis white males, so it'd be ironic if that's what the team is composed of.

more wikipedia insanity [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/weD03in.png[/IMG] The User that caused this is one of the main anti-gg editors of the gamergate wiki page [URL]http://wikiwatcher.eu5.org/?txt_name=Gamergate_controversy&edits1=5[/URL] [QUOTE] Ryulong 326 20.43% of edits NorthBySouthBaranof 249 15.6% of edits[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46338082]He does have a good point. I'm curious about who makes up the dev teams of SJW games.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://auntiepixelante.com/"]Anna Anthropy[/URL] makes actually good games in that area, but then again she doesn't try to patronize or speak for anyone else so I'd file it more under self-advocacy... I think first we'd have to find actual SJW games. I haven't played Gone Home so I can't judge that but apparently people think it is one. Depression Quest would probably count too. Otherwise I don't think many of these people actually make games at all. I wonder if there are games about ASD. I know about [URL="http://toughcellgames.com/games/auti-sim/"]Auti-Sim[/URL] because of the blogs I read, but that's only a prototype (even though not that inaccurate in what it conveys. I can't play the demo video at normal volume because the audio is too uncomfortable for me). They did have an autism advisor on the team though and also accuracy disclaimers more or less everywhere. Apart from that I can't find anything that's not a game [I]for[/I] people with ASD. [editline]27th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46338267]more wikipedia insanity [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/weD03in.png[/IMG] The User that caused this is one of the main anti-gg editors of the gamergate wiki page [URL]http://wikiwatcher.eu5.org/?txt_name=Gamergate_controversy&edits1=5[/URL][/QUOTE] How are they not topic-banned yet?

[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46338184]I agree, but I'm just curious to see if they actually practice what they preach. They hate cis white males, so it'd be ironic if that's what the team is composed of.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure she bragged about how her game was made by an all-female team.

Honestly I dont care where you stand politically (I would identify as somewhere in the middle for clarification's sake, although I wouldn't call myself a classical libertarian) but this is a marked problem with modern "left" political idealism, its the assumption that the ends justifies the means, and because your intentions are "good" that subversion, suppression of information and crafting a popular narrative is okay because you are taking the moral high ground after all. I specifically remember this being a talked about worry back when wikipedia was in its relative infancy and what would you know it certainly came to fruition and we're seeing a clear example of it right now. Realistically, for the most part, this won't affect wikipedia as a source of information and learning. Theres still thousands of articles that cannot be affected by politics, be it left or right, but it is a problem where information co-incides with peoples agenda. Wikipedia is no longer an unbiased encyclopedia/repository of human knowledge by any means.

To be fair did you really expect a claim like "Anita is exploiting a shooting to sell a book" to go down well with everyone?

Watching Gawker slowly collapse is something I've longed for

Also I love how last page you guys agreed with this: [QUOTE]I call on those who identify as part of Gamergate to focus on ethical issues. All too many threads on forums seem to consist of "Look at what Anita did this time!" This has nothing to do with journalistic ethics. I understand the desire to defend yourself against a barrage of media that is portraying you as evil. Games media of all people should understand that desire, they have told us to "hold our ground" against similar media criticism over the past 20 years. However, if you are constantly on the defensive you will get nothing done. Is this about ethics? Then talk about ethics. I call on them to reject false and misleading labels such as "SJW". The concept of social justice is ridiculously complex and it seems that people have wildly differing opinions and interpretations on its very meaning. Do not engage in hypocritical behavior. If you do not wish to be labeled, then do not label. Argue points, concepts, ideas, do not argue against the "SJW" strawperson.[/QUOTE] Yet you guys are still doing the same shit TB tells you not to do.

[QUOTE=nomad1;46337740]So Anti-GG in the future might implode on itself?[/QUOTE] I don't think so, but I think it's clear that antiGG isn't as cohesive as it use to be. People like Laurelai and RobotAnna would never have gone after vivian_games and EffNO, respectively, during the earlier stages of GG. There would have been an overarching need to "band together" and end in-fighting. The fact that laurelai and RobotAnna are willing to go after fellow antiGGers means that they see something else at stake here, and are willing to throw each other under the bus for goals beyond antiGG. In other words, GG isn't as high of a priority to antiGG anymore. Solidarity is breaking down for them. That's a pretty strong sign that GG is winning in the long-term.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46337727]You don't know who Maddox is do you?[/QUOTE] I'm well aware of him and what he's said previously, my comment was more directed att wii60 because my feeble mind didn't register if he was pointing out maddoxs joke or if he was trying to say maddox did something stupid. I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46338613]Watching Gawker slowly collapse is something I've longed for[/QUOTE] I'd like to take this time to look at some vintage Kotaku [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/dlrR7u.png[/t] Just as a reminder that Kotaku was still shit four years ago.

More Vintage Gawker, a Pro-Pedophillia article [url]https://archive.today/i1Njv[/url]

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46338632]Also I love how last page you guys agreed with this: Yet you guys are still doing the same shit TB tells you not to do.[/QUOTE] People use it as a general term for anti-GG because everything seems to have split along those old lines and it's a hard habit to break. It does contribute to the stereotype that it's all about railing on supposed leftist politics though and if people have made an effort to act civil so they don't give anti-GG ammunition, they can easily use anti-GG instead of SJW. I did do a quick search through my post history for the term SJW to see if this came up. Not only was past me already mindful of it, but they seemed far more eloquent than I am now.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/V5lHU0E.jpg[/IMG]