Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[t]http://i.imgur.com/h0PJCk4.png[/t] [url]https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/527477636499800065[/url] GamerGate worse than Nickelback now? Thats gone too far!

[video=youtube;MpmIrWqEUUU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU[/video] TB actually had a sit-down with Stephen Totilo. Progress?

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[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46362602][video=youtube;MpmIrWqEUUU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU[/video] TB actually had a sit-down with Stephen Totilo. Progress?[/QUOTE] Listening now.

They're trying to bargain and find compromise.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46362602][video=youtube;MpmIrWqEUUU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU[/video] TB actually had a sit-down with Stephen Totilo. Progress?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't put the goalpost that far along, Totilo simply realizes he's in trouble and tb is one of the few people who will actually bother to listen. Gawker needs to go away or to complete remake itself into a transparent entity that openly proclaims that it's a fuckface tabloid clickbait site that doesn't really do things like research or devil's advocation. People like Orland and Alexander need to be fired, and so does he. He's literally ruined people's livelihood and their ability to provide for their families based solely upon his opinions and whim. That kind of person has no business telling other people how to transmit, retain or contemplate information, gaming or otherwise.

is it a coincidence or maybe something more that tortilla became head of kotaku the same year polygon started its like 2012 gave birth to two huge loads of shit

[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46362089][url]https://archive.today/rqtl0[/url] [I]Gamergate, please quit using Archive.Today, it's stealing!!![/I][/QUOTE] Piracy. Jesus Christ. Not even a shred of self-awareness. Hey public media piece. I'm entitled to do almost whatever I want with your articles the moment they are publicly posted. Including making a quote with referential links (which archived articles, technically, are) and your consent means fuck all.

"at what point would i disclose "im friends with total biscuit"?" in context of nathan grayson fucking zoe quinn while writing about her game jam how about when you're FUCKING total biscuit you dunce

[QUOTE=27X;46362727]I wouldn't put the goalpost that far along, Totilo simply realizes he's in trouble and tb is one of the few people who will actually bother to listen. Gawker needs to go away or to complete remake itself into a transparent entity that openly proclaims that it's a fuckface tabloid clickbait site that doesn't really do things like research or devil's advocation. People like Orland and Alexander need to be fired, and so does he. He's literally ruined people's livelihood and their ability to provide for their families based solely upon his opinions and whim. That kind of person has no business telling other people how to transmit, retain or contemplate information, gaming or otherwise.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Pretty much no other point of negotiating with Gawker, only complete capitulation on their part. This shit embodies, willingly and with full awareness, everything that GG stands against. Fuck, their staff started it.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46362602][video=youtube;MpmIrWqEUUU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU[/video] TB actually had a sit-down with Stephen Totilo. Progress?[/QUOTE] I'm not done listening but they're sticking on this point for a long time so I'mma just say this He is talking about there being a murky line between people meeting as a source and people meeting as friends. Maybe it's just me but I don't think it is something that is hard to figure out. If you meet a developer a few times a year and the specific conventions and they take you around the block at those places, possibly meet for an extended interview or dinner or some shit, I don't think that is a big deal because that is meeting at a business convention for business. If you're meeting with developers or people outside that realm of "for business" multiple times and involving them in your personal life, like if you're going to bars together in your spare time or seeing movies or stuff that is clearly not "for business", then that is an issue. If you're [I]living[/I] with someone you're writing about, I don't know how that isn't a red flag and I don't know how this guy doesn't seem to have figured that out.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;46359739]Someone took the retweet data from both sides of GamerGate and made a visual representation of it. "Big cluster is core GG, lower left anti-GG" [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zsDfO2C.png[/IMG] He [URL="https://twitter.com/bkeegan"]tweeted[/URL] that he'd post more details, the code and data behind this later this afternoon.[/QUOTE] This is a lot more useful than the ones @waxpancake made (where the lines are indistinguishable). However, this one is misrepresenting the size of #GamerGate since the surface doesn't scale with the amount of people involved. (I suppose it's more about how information or opinions flow though.) I really want to see the algorithm to plot things like this...

considering kotaku still hasn't changed their patreon policies (or did very little about them) i still dont give a shit what steven tortilla wants. actions speak louder. until i see some shit change im going to just assume gawker sent tortilla out for pity, and continue burning this motherfucker to the ground. keep on emailing those advertisers, friends.

[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46362089][url]https://archive.today/rqtl0[/url] [I]Gamergate, please quit using Archive.Today, it's stealing!!![/I][/QUOTE] But it's not stealing. Someone already paid for it. The person who visited the webpage, and Archive.Today who made a copy of it.

"We are transparent as can be." Man, if you seriously think that then you need to have your journalism degree taken away and have your professor you just plugged slap the shit out of you.

The head of a website agrees to sit down and talk with someone on the "other side" of the argument for almost 2 hours and the first thing I see is word-twisting, name-calling and refusal to listen to what he's saying. Good job guys.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46362941]The head of a website agrees to sit down and talk with someone on the "other side" of the argument for almost 2 hours and the first thing I see is word-twisting, name-calling and refusal to listen to what he's saying. Good job guys.[/QUOTE] we are listening to what he's saying. in real time. right now. whether or not we value the things he brings to the table is up to us, and our opinions. we are currently processing what he is saying and posting our opinions. if you have any things to say about totillo's interview with total biscuit you are more than welcome to discuss it with us and share with us your views :^)

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46362740]is it a coincidence or maybe something more that tortilla became head of kotaku the same year polygon started its like 2012 gave birth to two huge loads of shit[/QUOTE] It's not coincidence, the previous editor-in-chief at Kotaku (Brian Crecente) left for Polygon that year.

Totilo mentions that a lot of gaming journalism is co-opted by the AAA publishers with events and preview stuff that is really lavish and people who show up get tons of free stuff from it, but we've known about this for a while now and I know people have been angry about it because it does look like gigantic, in your face bribing from AAA people. Maybe they think of it that way, maybe they don't and they're just dumping a massive marketing budget, but I know Jim Sterling once said he came back from the Black Ops preview event (I think it was BLOPS, one of the CoD releases) and they gave people pilot helmets with their names on it or something like that. What are we, as readers, going to do about it? We could certainly ask the people who cover these events "I don't think you should be taking that stuff." but, to be fair, if I was there I would be walking out of all of those with the biggest bag of swag I could get. I'd talk about it after, like they gave me this cool glowing dildo with my name on the side of it after the Saints Row 3 preview event (/s), but there is nothing a reader can do about it. It's up to the person who is at the event to make a judgement call.

[QUOTE=Banned?;46363019]I'd talk about it after, like they have me this cool glowing dildo with my name on the side of it after the Saints Row 3 preview event (/s),[/QUOTE] They actually did give journos dildo bats.

I appreciate what he's saying even if not all of it comes off as completely honest. It's a respectable thing to do considering his current position and it's something I can get behind. You have to remember that no matter how much you try to break him, Steven is still in charge of a highly profitable website, and journalists are part of it. Anyone who genuinely thinks this: [QUOTE=27X;46362727] Gawker needs to go away or to complete [B]remake itself into a transparent entity that openly proclaims that it's a fuckface tabloid clickbait site that doesn't really do things like research or devil's advocation.[/B][/QUOTE] Is something that any journalist in their right state of mind would do either needs to think about this situation more thoroughly or is, to be brutally honest, simply too daft to be participating in a debate over something like this. People aren't going to throw away their jobs and potentially their lives to satisfy your wet dreams. The world doesn't work like that.

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;46363043]They actually did give journos dildo bats.[/QUOTE] Oh God, I was making that up too. :v:

Totilo talking about the Google group makes me think he either doesn't know what was really going on in it, like the collusion to get that guy not only fired but also kicked out of the games journalism industry as a whole, or he is just closing his ears and going "lalala no problem". He mentions is probably being more of a forum where people can casually talk about journalistic issues and getting critical feedback on writing, but I feel like there are better places for it, especially when everyone in the group knows each other super well and will have each others backs on some issues. [editline]29th October 2014[/editline] Wow, he fucking dodged the shit out of the question about the guy who was fired from Dtoid.

[QUOTE=Banned?;46362857]I'm not done listening but they're sticking on this point for a long time so I'mma just say this He is talking about there being a murky line between people meeting as a source and people meeting as friends. Maybe it's just me but I don't think it is something that is hard to figure out. If you meet a developer a few times a year and the specific conventions and they take you around the block at those places, possibly meet for an extended interview or dinner or some shit, I don't think that is a big deal because that is meeting at a business convention for business. If you're meeting with developers or people outside that realm of "for business" multiple times and involving them in your personal life, like if you're going to bars together in your spare time or seeing movies or stuff that is clearly not "for business", then that is an issue. If you're [I]living[/I] with someone you're writing about, I don't know how that isn't a red flag and I don't know how this guy doesn't seem to have figured that out.[/QUOTE] He has, he was aware from the get-go. This is just more turfing, now that q4 loss of profits is going to be a real thing. [editline]29th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Manibogi;46363053]I appreciate what he's saying even if not all of it comes off as completely honest. It's a respectable thing to do considering his current position and it's something I can get behind. You have to remember that no matter how much you try to break him, Steven is still in charge of a highly profitable website, and journalists are part of it. Anyone who genuinely thinks this: Is something that any journalist in their right state of mind would do either needs to think about this situation more thoroughly or is, to be brutally honest, simply too daft to be participating in a debate over something like this. People aren't going to throw away their jobs and potentially their lives to satisfy your wet dreams. The world doesn't work like that.[/QUOTE] Wrong. The Inquirer, *BSN, and Fudzilla openly operate on this principle and were/have been not only profitable but ->influential<- for [b]years[/b]. They are openly yellow and biased, and they make decent money doing it. Once again, you fail to do any research before making a point.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46363053]I appreciate what he's saying even if not all of it comes off as completely honest. It's a respectable thing to do considering his current position and it's something I can get behind. You have to remember that no matter how much you try to break him, Steven is still in charge of a highly profitable website, and journalists are part of it. Anyone who genuinely thinks this: Is something that any journalist in their right state of mind would do either needs to think about this situation more thoroughly or is, to be brutally honest, simply too daft to be participating in a debate over something like this. People aren't going to throw away their jobs and potentially their lives to satisfy your wet dreams. The world doesn't work like that.[/QUOTE] "journalists in their right state of mind" these people aren't journalists they're bloggers. they don't even blog in a right state of mind either. and of course they're not going to throw away their jobs, that's why gamergate exists. to do it for them. anyone who cant recognize that we already know they're not stepping down themselves without some encouragement is probably the daft one.

I'm going to stop listening at about the hour mark because I don't think I'm getting anything out of this that I didn't expect. Stephen Totilo thinks he is right, he thinks his website is fine, and he isn't going to change anything about it. He isn't being malicious about it, just kinda stupid, and probably self-aware of it.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46363453]"journalists in their right state of mind" these people aren't journalists they're bloggers. they don't even blog in a right state of mind either.[/QUOTE] If some anti-GG person said those sort of things to you you'd be flipping your shit, so you shouldn't say those things either. It's hypocritical. Ignoring your attempt at undermining their mental health, pretty much every video game journalist I know of has a degree in journalism, so what you're saying is just plain wrong.

[QUOTE=Banned?;46363064]Oh God, I was making that up too. :v:[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/iz1HVZN.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46360381][url]http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2014/10/idledillettante-false-police-report-.html[/url] and more![/QUOTE] I love reading lawyers' blogs, they are always highly informative and filled to the brim with punchlines :dance:

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46363553]If some anti-GG person said those sort of things to you you'd be flipping your shit, so you shouldn't say those things either. It's hypocritical. Ignoring your attempt at undermining their mental health, pretty much every video game journalist I know of has a degree in journalism, so what you're saying is just plain wrong.[/QUOTE] Don't tell me what I would do, and the anti-gg crowd already said what they're here for. Having a degree does not mean that you no longer have to write like a journalist. No wonder nobody bothers replying to you anymore.