Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Combine 177;45879297]This might be semi offtopicish but people really call themselves gamers?[/QUOTE] Even if you don't call yourself a 'gamer', doesn't mean you're not one. It's a generic term. Nobody really calls themselves a "shopper", but basically everyone on earth is one.

Can anyone explain what @NotYourShield is?

[QUOTE=bigmansham;45879419]Can anyone explain what @NotYourShield is?[/QUOTE] A bunch of female gamers that are telling the sjw's to stop using them as an excuse to further their agenda basically. The posts are generally along the line of "I'm a female gamer and I don't feel disrespected by the gamer community."

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45879425]A bunch of female gamers that are telling the sjw's to stop using them as an excuse to further their agenda basically. The posts are generally along the line of "I'm a female gamer and I don't feel disrespected by the gamer community."[/QUOTE] Not just females. Anyone who is not a while male can use the hashtag.

Corruption? Sorry I didn't knew about this. Thanks for posting.

Gah, it just frustrates me so much that despite the countless arguments again journalistic integrity and corruption that the 'Gamer' side brings up, the other side just keeps focusing on the death threats and refuses to acknowledge anything else. Those are being posted by such a small percentage of people in this 'argument', and yet no one can let go of it. It's not like 'Gamers' are even condoning that behavior; Everybody that's not a troll agrees that death threats are pathetic. This is the equivalent of them arguing with a Muslim and refusing to let go of the "Well your people are a bunch of suicide bombers" card. It's things like this that reinforce my view that no matter who is talking, no matter how right they've been before, always be critical of everyone's statements. Never let pathos play a role in an argument. It's incredible how someone can be so progressive one minute and so completely ignorant the next.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;45879425]A bunch of female gamers that are telling the sjw's to stop using them as an excuse to further their agenda basically. The posts are generally along the line of "I'm a female gamer and I don't feel disrespected by the gamer community."[/QUOTE] Elaborating on this, a tactic currently being used by a lot of people on twitter is to paint everyone involved in the Gamergate thing as white male misogynists. If they do this and paint themselves as defending minorities, women, anyone not straight and cis, they appear to have the moral highground. One aspect of #NotYourShield is to show that people from diverse backgrounds are interested in getting rid of corruption and it's not as clear cut as they want to believe. The other aspect of it is bringing the discussion back to corruption, as the point of setting it as misogynists vs SJWs is to distract from the issue and fight an easier one against misogynistic strawmen. It's used to deflect criticism by pretending it's about misogyny or whatever and metaphorically using women and everyone else as their shield against criticism.

[URL="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/03/gamergate-corruption-games-anita-sarkeesian-zoe-quinn"]http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/03/gamergate-corruption-games-anita-sarkeesian-zoe-quinn[/URL] Follow up to The Guardian's rather one sided piece, was a decent article.

[QUOTE=GÃ©za!;45879145]Looks like they'll emerge victorious and the corruption will be buried. It's only too bad they alienated most of their reader base and potential customers in the process, because the people adamantly on their side -won't- be the ones to invest any significant money and time into playing pretentious indie games. I hope this will strenghten the "enthusiast press" in the long run. People like TB, who emerged into game journalism due to a desire to discuss and critique videogames born of their enthusiasm instead of people who decided to 'grace game journalism with their presence'.[/QUOTE] They literally can't emerge victorious at all. We'll never forget this incident either way, and there's no way in hell the IGF can be held again without the video about the corruption in the Industry resurfacing and gaining popularity again. It's basically finished.

[IMG]http://33.media.tumblr.com/40343781415f4e4eecd366157ba0ffe9/tumblr_nbbp51RO2L1r3zlfko1_1280.png[/IMG] [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] The #notyourshield tag in a nutshell

[QUOTE=Wii60;45879204][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uLWhYkV.jpg[/IMG][video=youtube;47E2tfK5QAg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47E2tfK5QAg[/video][editline]3rd September 2014[/editline][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Cw5CsCZ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Is the a link to the actual tweet, cause this could be a faked image.

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;45880256][t]http://33.media.tumblr.com/40343781415f4e4eecd366157ba0ffe9/tumblr_nbbp51RO2L1r3zlfko1_1280.png[/t] [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] The #notyourshield tag in a nutshell[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://s9.postimg.org/v22w9xh6j/aintevenmad.png[/IMG] she ain't even mad from what I can tell the point is not so much to convince SJW's to our side but rather to show people who aren't aware/on the fence that what we care about is corruption in journalism. The childish namecalliing they do only serves to prove that we are the more mature side.

People might want to go tweet at Alec Meet of RPS (Especially Reimu), as he at least seems open to engaging with the #GamersGate crowd, but is confused by the lack of clarity in what they want. (Either willfully or genuinely sees it that way)

What's his URL? I'll send him my twitlong.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fEvwjOw.png[/IMG] White man's burden 2.0 Edit: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ODdDRgI.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Reimu;45880470]What's his URL? I'll send him my twitlong.[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/bonzrat[/url] There you are.

We've gone full circle. These gaming journalists are starting to expose the fact that they don't really understand systems of oppression, they are just good at writing clickbait articles that [i]sound[/i] like they understand it. My favorite: [quote]@Sephinel Just mocking people who are narcissitic enough to think I ask for more diversity in gaming for THEIR sakes.[/quote] Uhh yeah. The whole point of this is that you ask for diversity in gaming both for your own sake, as well as for marginalized identities who fall outside of your own representation. That's why "allies" and "standing in solidarity" exists in social justice circles. These people really don't understand, and they're going to fuck themselves over. Eventually these journos will say problematic bullshit against other social justice people, and the line will fracture and more and more SJ people will pull their support away from them.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45879067]Spiegel Online, a rather popular German newspaper, is now reporting about the Gamergate as well. Of course, they also jumped on the Sarkeesian bandwagon and there's no mention about what the actual problem is about. edit: also, I think Quinn and company is now trying to ridicule the entire thing by retweeting "#conspiracy" over and over.[/QUOTE] I can't find it, are you sure it's still there? It wouldn't surprise me though, Spiegel Online is slightly left-leaning (relative to German politics). All I see is Apple-bashing over the iCloud hack :v:

Has anyone got a list of all of those websites that all posted "Gamers are dead" or similar articles all at the same time? It was mentioned in a video, probably and internet aristocrat one, but i can't remember which

[QUOTE=Tamschi;45880538]I can't find it, are you sure it's still there? It wouldn't surprise me though, Spiegel Online is slightly left-leaning (relative to German politics). All I see is Apple-bashing over the iCloud hack :v:[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/anita-sarkeesian-feministische-videospielkritik-und-morddrohungen-a-988906.html[/url]

[QUOTE=GÃ©za!;45879282]Let's be honest: feminism is one of those rallying calls that no one in any position of real influence will want to oppose or call out, no matter if it's just exploited as a flimsy excuse to form a lynch mob, It's a sacred cow. In this regard, liberalism has the exact same pitfalls as conservativism: they both have those slogans, buzzwords, sacred cows no one dares oppose or criticise within that side, because it immediately causes them to be singled out as traitors, and if the lowly majority does so they will be ignored, no matter how democratic the system claims to be.[/QUOTE] The SJWs and /pol/ are literally the exact same. They both have arguments based in feeling instead of logic, they both seek to make a single group a scapegoat, and they both are holier than thou when it comes to their opinions. Question their beliefs and they call you an idiot without justifying themselves, and tell you to seek the answers for yourself because it's not their job to educate you. Go against them, and they label you as their target bogeyman group. They're literally the exact same, just with different views. Equally stupid zealots, two sides of the same shitty coin. [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=trex?;45879684]Gah, it just frustrates me so much that despite the countless arguments again journalistic integrity and corruption that the 'Gamer' side brings up, the other side just keeps focusing on the death threats and refuses to acknowledge anything else. Those are being posted by such a small percentage of people in this 'argument', and yet no one can let go of it. It's not like 'Gamers' are even condoning that behavior; Everybody that's not a troll agrees that death threats are pathetic. This is the equivalent of them arguing with a Muslim and refusing to let go of the "Well your people are a bunch of suicide bombers" card. It's things like this that reinforce my view that no matter who is talking, no matter how right they've been before, always be critical of everyone's statements. Never let pathos play a role in an argument. It's incredible how someone can be so progressive one minute and so completely ignorant the next.[/QUOTE] Do you really expect these people to reply with something that isn't at least tangentally related to ad hominem? They don't have an actual argument.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45880530]We've gone full circle. These gaming journalists are starting to expose the fact that they don't really understand systems of oppression, they are just good at writing clickbait articles that [i]sound[/i] like they understand it. My favorite: [quote]@Sephinel Just mocking people who are narcissitic enough to think I ask for more diversity in gaming for THEIR sakes.[/quote] Uhh yeah. The whole point of this is that you ask for diversity in gaming both for your own sake, as well as for marginalized identities who fall outside of your own representation. That's why "allies" and "standing in solidarity" exists in social justice circles. These people really don't understand, and they're going to fuck themselves over. Eventually these journos will say problematic bullshit against other social justice people, and the line will fracture and more and more SJ people will pull their support away from them.[/QUOTE] Only if you ask first about representing them if you want to talk about them explicitly. Imo standing up for someone without their consent is a pretty shitty thing to do too. Supporting diversity and equality generally is completely unproblematic since they are concepts not pointing to anyone specifically, but if you want to support a particular group I'm part of and you're not I would prefer it to be done selfishly. (I could probably argue that all actions that are done without expressed consent of the "supported" party are overwhelmingly selfish, but then I'd have to go on a tangent discussing what it means to be selfless and whether such a thing exists in the first place, and closing by redefining a bunch of terms to realign them with their common usage. It would be terribly off-topic and a medium-sized wall of text I currently don't feel like typing out, so I won't. Ask me via PM if you're interested in discussing this stuff, just be warned that it's partially a fairly subjective view.)

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45880474][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fEvwjOw.png[/IMG] White man's burden 2.0 Edit: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ODdDRgI.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] As I said, people like this hate and are scared of the minorities they try to represent.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45880566][url]http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/anita-sarkeesian-feministische-videospielkritik-und-morddrohungen-a-988906.html[/url][/QUOTE] Written by their web-feminist correspondent. I think we can safely file this under "to be expected from this particular author". [editline]edit[/editline] In short: [img]https://i.imgur.com/KkvaPMz.png[/img]

Can't believe a countryman is that insane. Probably votes for the Sweden Democrats.

So, is this worth anything or should I delete it? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9Xklnv75Y[/media]

I didn't get to watch it yet, but feminist frequency actually began critiquing movies/TV Shows. It kinda moved onto video games from there.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45881346]I didn't get to watch it yet, but feminist frequency actually began critiquing movies/TV Shows. It kinda moved onto video games from there.[/QUOTE] Was it equally cherrypicking, misinterpreting and taking things out context back then? Also what's going on with this thread. I can't see ratings but I can press them, everything works really slow and I can't see emblemed videos.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;45881362]Also what's going on with this thread. I can't see ratings but I can press them, everything works really slow and I can't see emblemed videos.[/QUOTE] There must be something buggy on your end, it works fine for me.

[QUOTE=_Axel;45881366]There must be something buggy on your side, it works fine for me.[/QUOTE] It's curious because it only happens in this thread afaik. edit: Nvm it just fixed itself, okaaaayyyy Also just donated 10$ from the facepunch ref.