Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=sp00ks;46383450]do any of you dingdongs still pretend this is about ethics in game journalism and not just anti-feminism?[/QUOTE] In my experience, when GG members get derailed into another fight, they fight against authoritarian feminism while supporting moderate or libertarian feminism.

What's ridiculous about the GG-opposing side is that you occasionally get some arguments that some satirical website would make, Landover Baptist or whatever it's named. "I'm neutral over Gamergate." [B]"SO YOU SUPPORT RAPISTS AND HARASSMENT?"[/B]

can someone explain in more detail in William Usher saying gawker uses negative ads. [url]https://twitter.com/WilliamUsherGB/status/528392660793688064[/url] I see volvo and I would want to email them if I knew how and if it was indeed negative ads. [QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46384256]What's ridiculous about the GG-opposing side is that you occasionally get some arguments that some satirical website would make, Landover Baptist or whatever it's named. "I'm neutral over Gamergate." [B]"SO YOU SUPPORT RAPISTS AND HARASSMENT?"[/B][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/1wDrsaw.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Ithon;46384287]can someone explain in more detail in William Usher saying gawker uses negative ads. [URL]https://twitter.com/WilliamUsherGB/status/528392660793688064[/URL] I see volvo and I would want to email them if I knew how and if it was indeed negative ads. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1wDrsaw.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I think they mostly got ticked off for him saying "Anti-GG" to Quinn. Which I don't get either. If you're opposing Gamergate, or feel the actions of Gamergate are not of good intent, you're essentially anti-gamergate. It's just a shorter way of saying "I'm against gamergate" on Twitter. But they nitpicked at that one single thing, and they wailed at him. Their loss. They could've had an opportunity to defend themselves and they didn't. If they were able to answer his harsh questions that he could have asked, anyways. Twitter is not a good place for communication.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46379782][url]https://archive.today/WaXgK[/url][/QUOTE] Shouldn't be that hard considering most of them don't play video games.

will be late to today/tonight's stream or not on at all.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;46383450]do any of you dingdongs still pretend this is about ethics in game journalism and not just anti-feminism?[/QUOTE] If Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, Sarkeesian and the like represented the whole of feminism I would gladly be against it. Thankfully that isn't the case.

[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46384339]I think they mostly got ticked off for him saying "Anti-GG" to Quinn. Which I don't get either. If you're opposing Gamergate, or feel the actions of Gamergate are not of good intent, you're essentially anti-gamergate. It's just a shorter way of saying "I'm against gamergate" on Twitter. But they nitpicked at that one single thing, and they wailed at him. Their loss. They could've had an opportunity to defend themselves and they didn't. If they were able to answer his harsh questions that he could have asked, anyways. Twitter is not a good place for communication.[/QUOTE]This is why more and more I believe we shouldn't give them the time of day. They clearly don't want to reason with us. Why should we put in the extra effort to reason with them when they clearly don't want to? We've proved to hell and back that GG is not about misogyny but rather a consumer revolt against shady and corrupt practices, but they keep bringing it back to that. At this point, we should just shut up and ignore them, and continue taking the fight to shitholes like Gawker and their ilk. Report, and move on. Don't give these assholes the attention they seek. Show them that actions speak millions of times louder than words.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46383540]It's going to be hilarious when the infighting in ant-gg gets really visible. It will probably be what kills it.[/QUOTE] there's already been constant "infighting", a lot of it in the form of reasoned discussion. Which is imo why this has stuck around so long. Something about the anti GG side filters out a lot of people who can't take changing their mind or discussing new ideas coming to GG. Edit: derp, i read your post as pro-gg, im an idiot. Still a decent point about it i guess.

Personally I feel that the gender politics debate is getting more attention that it deserves I consider most of the people spewing rhetoric legitimate professional trolls of the same caliber as Rush Limbaugh,I honestly belive they should in large part be ignored.

[URL]http://archive.today/ji24H[/URL] [URL]http://archive.today/c5b1u[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/1mEqJQV.png"]nothing to see here[/URL]

i've been wary to post things about this on facebook but then i remembered that all of my friends on there are from high school and i'm never going to see those fuckers again so i have no reason to pussyfoot around it

[QUOTE=Wii60;46386291][URL]http://archive.today/ji24H[/URL] [URL]http://archive.today/c5b1u[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/1mEqJQV.png"]nothing to see here[/URL][/QUOTE] Also, I love the copy paste work.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46386294]i've been wary to post things about this on facebook but then i remembered that all of my friends on there are from high school and i'm never going to see those fuckers again so i have no reason to pussyfoot around it[/QUOTE] my friends and I don't post about it on facebook. Too much to go into to people who don't know about it, and will likely read the first few anti-gamergate articles from google search.

[QUOTE=Zet;46386374]my friends and I don't post about it on facebook. Too much to go into to people who don't know about it, and will likely read the first few anti-gamergate articles from google search.[/QUOTE] i have posted it because i know a specific few people have some ideas on it and i want to know what they are and engage in debate or watch the sparks fly over non inflammatory shit, either way it is fun for me [editline]1st November 2014[/editline] like, i am not expecting people who don't know anything about it to get in the debate, i just want to catch those who are already atleast somewhat aware of it

Totalbiscut on thunder0foots video: [quote][They refer to a very specific subset of the game-playing demographic, not every single person who plays a game.][/quote] [quote]Yeah except they didn't. I've seen this idea before and it might hold some merit if not for the ridiculously incendiary language used. The one that people point to the most as being the thing which kicked off this whole consumer outrage was Leigh Alexanders, who spent paragraphs criticising people who stood outside game stores at midnight, wore mushroom hats etc and then went even further to use terms like "wailing hyperconsumer" and "obtuse shitslinger". In combination with "gamers are not my audience, gamers are over and that's why they're so mad", it is extremely hard to read those articles as anything but. And hey, let's not forget, so many people love to toddle out the Death of the Author argument, in which case it has to be said that these negative interpretations of these articles are not only acceptable but inevitable. I don't usually watch Thunderf00ts video. I'm not anti-feminist, I'm not atheist, but frankly someone needs to critique Sarkeesian and lord knows gaming media isn't doing it. The Gamergate narrative that's been pushed by gaming and mainstream media is gross, one-sided and self-serving. It's inherently anti-consumer. Seems like some people forgot who they're supposed to be protecting.• Show less [/quote]

[url]http://t.co/L9FG70c8VD[/url] I wholly agree with the sentiment here. If all you can say in response to someone is "you're a misogynist" or "you're an SJW", you don't have an argument. There are reasonable people on all sides, and attacking labels just cuts off people who might have reconsidered their positions otherwise.

Apparently Arthur Chu wants to get interviewed, had sent an e-mail saying so, which David hasn't gotten to. [url]https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/528537830835118080[/url] He additionally went out of his way to antagonize Pakman more. How polite. [url]https://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow/status/528636311541137408[/url]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46386712][url]http://t.co/L9FG70c8VD[/url] I wholly agree with the sentiment here. If all you can say in response to someone is "you're a misogynist" or "you're an SJW", you don't have an argument. There are reasonable people on all sides, and attacking labels just cuts off people who might have reconsidered their positions otherwise.[/QUOTE] yep, words are infectious, for instance I use the word vitriol a lot more.

[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46386792]Apparently Arthur Chu wants to get interviewed, had sent an e-mail saying so, which David hasn't gotten to. [url]https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/528537830835118080[/url] He additionally went out of his way to antagonize Pakman more. How polite. [url]https://twitter.com/davidpakmanshow/status/528636311541137408[/url][/QUOTE] "People who should be left alone" Yeah because LW1, LW2, LW3 are not literally competing for "I'm the most harassed, pls give me attenction". Jeez.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46386859]"People who should be left alone" Yeah because LW1, LW2, LW3 are not literally competing for "I'm the most harassed, pls give me attenction". Jeez.[/QUOTE] This right here should be enough to out them for the professional victims they are. NOBODY argues over "who got harassed the most." Plus, if its THIS easy to offend you, then the games industry is not for you. We live in an industry where developers get fucking death threats over PATCHING something that people disagree with. This shit will not go away just because you want it to, and if you can't handle it, you'd have an easier time just leaving the industry. Hell, with as much bad will as they've managed over the past couple months with gamers, we'd probably even help them pack their bags. Doesn't mean the death threats and harassment are encouraged, but if they think this shit will vanish overnight if they get their way, they have another thing coming.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46386918]This right here should be enough to out them for the professional victims they are. NOBODY argues over "who got harassed the most." Plus, if its THIS easy to offend you, then the games industry is not for you. We live in an industry where developers get fucking death threats over PATCHING something that people disagree with. This shit will not go away just because you want it to, and if you can't handle it, you'd have an easier time just leaving the industry. Hell, with as much bad will as they've managed over the past couple months with gamers, we'd probably even help them pack their bags. Doesn't mean the death threats and harassment are encouraged, but if they think this shit will vanish overnight if they get their way, they have another thing coming.[/QUOTE] Anita Sarkeesian could literally show at my door, punch me in the face, teabag me while I'm unconscious, and there would still be people who'd think I was actually trying to assault her. Obviously only a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally small part of people would believe that, but holy heck, we have people who think asking for an interview is harassing, somehow it doesn't look like a big stretch of imagination. EDIT: I feel like I have to emphasis the "really" more. REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46386983]Anita Sarkeesian could literally show at my door, punch me in the face, teabag me while I'm unconscious, and there would still be people who'd think I was actually trying to assault her. Obviously only a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally small part of people would believe that, but holy heck, we have people who think asking for an interview is harassing, somehow it doesn't look like a big stretch of imagination. EDIT: I feel like I have to emphasis the "really" more. REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY.[/QUOTE]Like I said, stop giving Anita and her friends the time of day. They aren't interested in a discussion? Well then neither should we. We've made our point, and if they can't accept or listen to that fact, well then let them wallow in their ignorance. We have more important things to be doing, like making Gawker answer for the bullshit they've put out recently. If this is about ethics, lets MAKE IT about ethics. They can't claim we're harassing them if we're not talking about/to them at all. At this point, Anita, Zoe, and Brianna are there as distractions. Ignore them, maybe spare them some pity, and refocus your efforts on the ones we ARE interested in. Games media.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46387043]Like I said, stop giving Anita and her friends the time of day. They aren't interested in a discussion? Well then neither should we. We've made our point, and if they can't accept or listen to that fact, well then let them wallow in their ignorance. We have more important things to be doing, like making Gawker answer for the bullshit they've put out recently. If this is about ethics, lets MAKE IT about ethics. They can't claim we're harassing them if we're not talking about/to them at all. At this point, Anita, Zoe, and Brianna are there as distractions. Ignore them, maybe spare them some pity, and refocus your efforts on the ones we ARE interested in. Games media.[/QUOTE] I just hope TotalBiscuit gets invited to more places. We really need someone to represent customers on the mainstream media, like it or not.

Just a short reminder that we're going to do our weekly stream, starting roughly in 20 minutes: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4kMLPCv4LU[/url] [video=youtube;l4kMLPCv4LU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4kMLPCv4LU[/video] If you'd like to participate, that means both text and voice chat, you're more than invited.

r/Kotakuinaction is getting taken over by SRS (shit reddit says) [URL]http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2kyv2l/kia_moderator_was_just_demoted_by_a_rogue/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46387156]r/Kotakuinaction is getting taken over by SRS (shit reddit says) [URL]http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2kyv2l/kia_moderator_was_just_demoted_by_a_rogue/[/URL][/QUOTE] POTENTIALLY. If the other mods have anything close to a speck of sense, they'll demote dancing_Discord and send his head home in a vat of male tears. If not, we can regroup on a new subreddit and foster a new generation of properly paranoid exiles.

How are you guys still so optimistic. Anita went on Colbert. I think she won.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;46387310]How are you guys still so optimistic. Anita went on Colbert. I think she won.[/QUOTE] Anita showed how she is the authority on talking about issues in videogames by failing to even name three different videogames. Even the normal crowd who knows a lick about videogames can see that she is full of shit.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;46387310]How are you guys still so optimistic. Anita went on Colbert. I think she won.[/QUOTE] She may have been on Colbert but she did not 'win'. People who watch Colbert did not buy into her bullshit. [url]https://www.facebook.com/ComedyCentral/posts/10152774496979030[/url] [t]http://i.imgur.com/FIDL1Dq.png[/t]