Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[URL]https://twitter.com/RogueStarGamez/status/529859285095047168[/URL] [QUOTE]I synced up @oliverbcampbell I can confirm a US FEDERAL identification. Military/DoD/Feds. FOIA for more information #GamerGate[/QUOTE]

I'm just surprised that Nick Denton was THIS trusting of everyone. After telling people to send negativity to something? Yeah, you're going to get ratted out, sorry to say. Game over, Gawker. No human is invincible.

Read the Playboy Article, it makes it even funnier. [url]https://archive.today/6Nsb6[/url] [QUOTE]PLAYBOY: Is it possible you set a lower value on privacy than most people do? DENTON: I don't think people give a fuck, actually. There was a moment when I thought some sex pictures of me were about to land. Someone claimed to have some and to be marketing them. I even thought I knew where they'd come from—I'd lost a phone. But it turned out to be a hoax. PLAYBOY: And you weren't freaked out? DENTON: It would have been mortifying, but every infringement of privacy is sort of liberating. Afterward, you have less to lose; you're a freer person. Shouldn't we all want to own our own story? PLAYBOY: You're more willing than most people to organize your life according to principle and see how the experiment turns out. DENTON: You could argue that privacy has never really existed. Usually people's friends or others in the village had a pretty good idea what was going on. You could look at this as the resurrection of or a return to the essential nature of human existence: We were surrounded by obvious scandal throughout most of human existence, when everybody knew everything. Then there was a brief period when people moved to the cities and social connections were frayed, and there was a brief period of sufficient anonymity to allow for transgressive behavior no one ever found out about. That brief era is now coming to an end.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46412955]I feel like we're finally reaching a turning point.[/QUOTE] I'm going to share your optimism. I mean, if Campbell's speaking the truth, this could very well result in a crippling blow to the AGG side within a few months.

[quote] Why is this any different? [/quote] It isn't; the context is both that and this combined is heading directly into RICO territory, which means two pillars are both crumbling. The harassment angle has yet to pan out yet they continue to play it, even after having evidence that Wu basically acted at Alexander's suggestion to essentially harass herself. The reason this works is because Wu and Alexander are completely insulated, and literally have no part of their actual selves interacting with the real world, otherwise they would understand how completely obtuse and doomed this strategy is. The other angle is most of the people whom started this acted without thinking. Digra's thesis was was literally posited by like-peer review, with zero objective vetting. You cannot make a premise based solely on subjective analysis. The author literally felt "gamer" was a negative term by no other means than her "gut feeling", even though she does not nor has ever played games. She relied on friends to tell her anecdotal stories about people being jerks in games and then erroneously extrapolated that as behavioral norms for the general community. She passed this on to admirers, amongst whom are people connected in the industry and hyper-liberal academia, who again failed to do any research or vetting simply because they agreed with it. They simply agreed gamers are angry stupid people who hate anyone not like them, and that missive slant died when fighting games stopped being the biggest thing in town, damn near two decades ago, and there were people in the fg community fighting intolerance even then, like myself. The stereotype isn't true, it wasn't completely true then, and it's not even close to being real now, just check the people in this one thread on the ass end of the internet and then extrapolate from there. Add the layer of hate and intolerance coming from the remains of what the SJW community has now become on top, and you have the makings of a class based asshattery, which has never lasted in western culture, and I don't know why these people are arrogant enough to believe this time will be any different. The cherry on top is the journalistic colonic that's been needed for about 15 years, and here we are. Games have simply grown up, and this is the natural progression of what happens when a field of expression becomes the most pervasive thing in a culture. Art has gone through this multiple times in multiple fields. I'd prefer it to grow up color/class/upbringing blind, to be as expressive and broad as books have become. Comics failed, and failed hard, and are now essentially mining material for the movie industry to stay relevant. Games are at a critical point where they either become marginal again, or they become the evolution of telling stories in modern society, and are unburdened by agendas, crusades and exclusionary/exclusivist bias. I know which outcome I would prefer.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46413151]I'm going to share your optimism. I mean, if Campbell's speaking the truth, this could very well result in a crippling blow to the AGG side within a few months.[/QUOTE] I am hoping we will have a #StopGamerGate2015 hashtag

The Amex Gawker image is debunked [url]https://twitter.com/LetsSailHatan/status/529866495266807809[/url] But everything else is not.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;46409720]It's up now [video=youtube;098t08Ow6TQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=098t08Ow6TQ&list=PLVrg5xLmCvhHe8Hw35N7_T0bE7hiMiTeO[/video][/QUOTE] Woah, that was an impressive interview. I have a feeling I actually understand Chu's position to some extent now, even if I think it's based on false (or at least very inaccurate/incomplete) assumptions. [editline]edit[/editline] There's a fairly large difference between Pakman's interviews and news reporting though, the former are brilliant but the latter feel a bit strange. Maybe it's a cultural difference, credible reporting in Germany is always extremely matter-of-fact and as impersonal as possible. [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46412834]kop/nero got this from the gawker source [URL]https://twitter.com/Kingofpol/status/529842131989704704[/URL] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1pgmwtIIAEW1rY.jpg:large[/IMG][/QUOTE] [quote][URL="https://twitter.com/RandomGamer996"]Conor ‏@RandomGamer996[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/RandomGamer996/status/529843194092326912"]2 Std.[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/TheBacklogGamer"]@TheBacklogGamer[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/Kingofpol"]@Kingofpol[/URL] [URL="https://twitter.com/Nero"]@Nero[/URL] It's the ethics limbo. How low can they go?[/quote]

Wait, how does an investigation process on such a potentially high level treat suspects in the US? In here all organized crime suspects are immediately taken into isolated holding cells, so if, for example, Gawker was a local tabloid, USKOK would arrest Denton and other suspected associates once they got a good lead and began collecting evidence. Kind of strange that the FBI would let them operate actively, though there's probably a legal thing about that somewhere.

[QUOTE=croguy;46413446]Wait, how does an investigation process on such a potentially high level treat suspects in the US? In here all organized crime suspects are immediately taken into isolated holding cells, so if, for example, Gawker was a local tabloid, USKOK would arrest Denton and other suspected associates once they got a good lead and began collecting evidence. Kind of strange that the FBI would let them operate actively, though there's probably a legal thing about that somewhere.[/QUOTE] Well they are currently generating a lot of evidence against themselves. I wouldn't disturb them while doing that if I were to prosecute them (unless they're about to do irreversible damage of course, but what they are doing now can be pretty easily reverted if they are found guilty). They also would get out again on bail pretty quickly afaik, so it would only make a difference if they would try to flee the country before being arrested (but I'm sure the law enforcement would pick up on that anyway and stop them).

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46412279][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1pPFWjCIAALCXO.jpg:large[/img] so from what this reads is that some journos on the games journos pros list didn't all exactly see eye-to-eye.[/QUOTE] [url]https://archive.today/utUDS[/url]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46413577][url]https://archive.today/utUDS[/url][/QUOTE] Should someone tell her that she has a split personality that is apart of a secret group?

[URL]https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/block_names.txt[/URL] the cool gg twitter list if u aint in u a busta [video=youtube;-P6PYlWEwek]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6PYlWEwek[/video]

I'm already on the list, and I talked to freebsdgirl about it. It's hard to hard to make it work thanks to twitter's beautiful limited API limitations.

I have no idea how I got on the list but neat

[QUOTE=Wii60;46413592] the cool gg twitter list [/QUOTE] Yay I feel like I belong somewhere!

[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;46413663]I have no idea how I got on the list but neat[/QUOTE] She made a bot that grabs the list of all followers 5 major GG people have, and are added to the list. So if you're following someone widely known on GG, you'll be on the list. The only thing the bot doesn't do is grab Christina Sommer's and Adam Baldwin's followers list because of how big they are.

[URL]http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2014/11/how-a-hoaxer-becomes-an-informant-hypothetical.html[/URL] [QUOTE][B][This is hypothetical and about no one in particular. Revealing the identify of a federal informant can in some cases be prosecuted as a crime. I would never reveal the identity of an informant. This post is for informational purposes only.][/B] [B]Daddy issues.[/B] Imagine you're hungry for attention. Perhaps you didn't get much attention growing up and have serious daddy issue. The best way to get attention is to convince people your life is in danger. There is nothing quite like a damsel (or dashing man, as this post could apply to men or women) in distress. You grew up in a SJW culture where words have no meaning. If someone posts something you don't like, they are stalking you. If someone writes about you and you go to that person's Twitter page to read it (because he doesn't reach out to you), he's harassing you. Forget that this "harasser" never wrote anything to you or even contacted you. Words mean whatever your crybaby gender studies course says they mean. You grow up in a culture without consequences. Thus, you think nothing of sending yourself a few death threats. The media and everyone else takes the bait. You're a big star who is finally getting that attention you so richly craved. [B]Enter the Feds.[/B] Then the Feds come knocking. You foolishly believe that talking to an agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigations is like talking to a gender studies professor. Tell them what you feel and they will blindly accept it. Feels > Law. Since words have no meaning, you tell these agents you were threatened. (Hey, maybe you or a friend of yours sent the email. But words mean whatever you want them to. You did feel threatened by that fake email, after all, right?) As it turns out, the Feds don't like being lied to. Lying to a federal agent is a federal crime, in fact. It's called obstruction of justice and it's a felony. [B]Snitches get hugs and kisses.[/B] The Feds know that prosecutions are political. If you've been given the royal treatment by the media, perhaps the Feds might not want to prosecute you. Like other government agencies, the Feds are sensitive to public relations. Some tight-asses (no one has tighter buttholes than Federal agents; do not ever lie to these people or even talk to them unless you have an attorney present) say to you: "Hey, you're a felon. You have a choice - go to prison or be a confidential informant." The Feds give you an idea. Go find some white knights to help you run Ops. Hack a few sites. You know, the usual. This is nothing to you. You're an SJW and you don't care about anyone but yourself. You enlist some hapless white knights to help you. You avoid prison time and now the FBI has a whole bunch of people they can indict for violations of computer crime statutes. (Or the Feds can turn these white knights into snitches.) That is how a hoaxer becomes an informant. [B]This is, of course, 100% hypothetical.[/B] [/QUOTE] did one of the whos in whoville become a informant?

[QUOTE=Eonart;46413939]I have a gut feeling that if it was anybody, it would be Fish. He's a pretty clear narcissist so he'd want to keep his public rep up by not going to prison for racketeering, and is already pretty buddy buddy with most of the people involved, as well as the fact that he pretty much dropped out from everyone's gaze until Day of the Devs happened. If not him that I might even consider Anita, since she just gets paid by McIntosh to be a mouthpiece and could have her own opinions. [editline]5th November 2014[/editline] Though of course, it could be literally anybody since there's more than just the public figures involved in their messes.[/QUOTE] It would totally make sense that it'd be Phil considering he dropped off of twitter after his last meltdown, but Phil never got any big media interviews and it did imply that it was a female.

2 people sent death threats to themselves Calling it now, Anita and literally wu

[QUOTE=Wii60;46412940][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ylc1i4U.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GrQOkl1.png[/IMG] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yw5jkAHgME"]Meanwhile at the Anti-gg camp[/URL][/QUOTE] "Firetrucking"?

[QUOTE=lazyguy;46414157]"Firetrucking"?[/QUOTE] Somebody called the fire department to his house with a fake suicide threat.

At least they didn't 'swat' him like some of the Twitch trolls do.

I'm actually feeling excited to be honest. It seems like some real justice is going to be served, and these people wont just "melt away" into the night only to come back later on down the track and do their stupid culture war bullshit again.

I'll just leave this here. [url]https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/529286217318531072[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/AWuaRet.png[/IMG]

She doesn't understand how right she is.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46413592][URL]https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/block_names.txt[/URL] the cool gg twitter list if u aint in u a busta [/QUOTE] Even David Pakman is on that list. Apparently, they can't handle a real journalist asking questions that aren't handed at them on a silver platter.

Okay, so if the BBC interviews Zoe Quinn that's fine but if David Pakman asks for an interview it's "drawing the attention of an angry mob". Can someone explain that to me please?

[QUOTE=Jordax;46414382]Even David Pakman is on that list. Apparently, they can't handle a real journalist asking questions that aren't handed at them on a silver platter.[/QUOTE] In the defense of the code, the process is automatic. Are you suggesting he is one of the block sources?

[IMG]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1qGDVsCIAApoDx.png:large[/IMG] David, please stop [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DGbYHCf.png[/IMG] David no, please. Also, shut the fuck up Max [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k2ebcG5.png[/IMG] I hope he stops being so god damn idiotic. I'm seriously considering asking for a refund. Since I bought it through the Humble Store, when it wasn't available through steam yet, will this remvoe the game from my Steam Library, and get the account blocked, like when you ask for a chargeback?