Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Can anyone quickly summarize what's happened the past week, other than kingofpol's Section 8?

KoP also was trying to make a move on some pro-gg girls (Liz, for example) proof: [URL]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/530433924720517120[/URL] he also made a off-comment about it in the stream i think

Not sure if this hasn't already been mentioned, but apparently the two posts by Nick Denton claiming he was infiltrating Gamergate has been debunked by Milo himself. [IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/cf318d99d30e062c9d710b64ab99435d/tumblr_inline_nenafsFJFi1svqslh.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/cef4b62a2c29686f3de92ad15e23648e/tumblr_inline_nenah9nQFi1svqslh.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/3f9197e4c7bf5d94f765dcb89c250197/tumblr_inline_nenahfZg121svqslh.png[/IMG] [URL="https://medium.com/@infinitechan/nothing-is-sacred-how-trust-works-online-and-how-kingofpol-fooled-me-9032a7dc3c4c"]Here is Hotwheel's explanation.[/URL] This is really upsetting. KoP being dead to the whole of Gamergate is an understatement.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46428844]If I cant call you stupid faggot retard and you seriously think I am being homophobic and albeist then you are being a little sassy Samantha. Call me distasteful or crude, fine, because thats what it is. The words Faggot and Retard have moved SO FAR past there origins thats honestly I find it for the better. Not once have I ever encountered a single person in my life that has ever used faggot or retard in an actual derogatory manner, people use them to just mean something is dumb or stupid, and I have met a lot of people who use the words retarded and faggot a lot. I dont use the word faggot much anymore unless in friendly company. Plus words like bitch/cunt/twat arent even gender related insults or even an issue to use when used as insults. Its mainly to call someone a fuck but with different words. Sure bitch is a female dog but no one uses it to call someone a literal female dog, its to call someone an asshole or a pussy. Sure pussy means vagina but used as an insult its for a scardy cat. Its perfectly fine to use these words without being an albeist/misogynistic asshole, hell the last thing I feel when I call someone a bitch is a hatred of women. And to be 100% honest, im sick and tired of people policing insults you can and cannot say, not to say id respect someone calling black people niggers and jews kikes, those words hold A LOT of historical context and value which is why they are so damning to say. But things like faggot/ass/bitch/pussy/cock/cunt are all fine, hell I probably call more people cocks then pussys. You arent a retarded faggot btw.[/QUOTE] To be fair, "faggot" also has a lot of historical context. But "batshit insane"? You'd have to be aneurotypical to get offended by that.

At this point, KoP is just a ticking time-bomb.

It looks like KoP should be overthrown and replaced with an elected president or prime minister.

[QUOTE=Ziron;46429069]It looks like KoP should be overthrown and replaced with an elected president or prime minister.[/QUOTE] The Supreme Leader of the People's Democratic Republic of /pol/

Other thank making a bigger fool of himself and giving anit-gg some minor ammo he really cant do anything.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46426914]But but she had to leave her house for 2 hours, thats way more serious (or am I thinking of someone else).[/QUOTE] She drove around for two hours, allegedly without her husband, whom was supposedly the larger target (according to her blog post) *shrug* It's not like this is any kind of expansion to the cognitive dissonance we've already put up with. [QUOTE=Wii60;46428900]KoP also was trying to make a move on some pro-gg girls (Liz, for example) proof: [URL]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/530433924720517120[/URL] he also made a off-comment about it in the stream i think[/QUOTE] "I'm a shitlord, I can't help it, she sounds hot" [QUOTE=meek;46427303]It's incredible. She accuses men of being guilty of bias whenever they talk to a woman, while at the same time employing similiar bias to dismiss everything Josh is saying. I've never seen something quite this beautifully ironic before.[/QUOTE] All the enemies in her game(s) are male

[QUOTE=Mattk50;46428085]from hotwheel's blogpost it's now looking pretty certain that kingofpol faked the leak from the start. Some people, honestly wtf. I did think it was real after we saw nick deleted his FB and hotwheels confirmed it but i guess thats just how it goes. Can we add this to the gamergate list of achievements, actually spending the time to root out this kind of BS on our side as well. Fighting the cancer from within as well as the usual focus.[/QUOTE] I can't believe how many people on Twitter are kissing his ass, because KoP is fucking dead to me. Kick his ass the fuck out. Lying about anything, but especially something that big, is 100% intolerable. [QUOTE=xxncxx;46428167]Okay these posts are just one of many but I really think that some of you guys need to work on the terminology you use in your posts. I don't care if AGG doesn't look at this thread but maybe one of the reasons they're calling us misogynist/ableist/etc is because of people thinking its okay to use words like these, ESPECIALLY when discussing things with someone from the other side. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE] You don't attack the person or the delivery, you attack their argument. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46425216]I still haven't heard a real explanation of how being in GG as a normal person not doing anything violent counts as "sanctioning" the few loud and possibly violent ones. Give me a strong argument, 2 months in and I still haven't heard one[/QUOTE] All you have to do take the arguments that moderates are somehow complicit to the actions of extremists and apply them to conversations about Islam or Feminism. And just like that the argument falls apart.

Honestly, just don't pay attention to KoP. Don't go to his stream, talk about him, involve him in anything. If you keep bringing him up, he'll find ways to make life shittier for everyone still left. The King is dead, long live the rest of us.

so KoP, Milo and AI are all slipping out of GG? Aren't those guys the main like, supporters of it? I'm sorry there's a lot to follow so I only pick up on basics

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46429310]so KoP, Milo and AI are all slipping out of GG? Aren't those guys the main like, supporters of it? I'm sorry there's a lot to follow so I only pick up on basics[/QUOTE]Not really, Milo was just pulling back because KoP was getting far too much influence. IA has been less involved for easily a month now. Others have already come up to fill in.

Milo can come back now since KoP has been pretty much kicked out of the movement. edit: btw, take future e-celeb bullshit to /gg/ as they just made a sticky thread for it [URL]https://8chan.co/gg/res/444972.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46429021]To be fair, "faggot" also has a lot of historical context. But "batshit insane"? You'd have to be aneurotypical to get offended by that.[/QUOTE] id argue faggot has an insanely small amount of historical context. Its original definition is a bundle of sticks, which I actually originally used for my insult when saying faggot before knowing it was also against gays. When I called someone a faggot back in the day I was calling them as stupid as a bundle of sticks. I mean homophobia is a rather more modern issue, back in the olden times having your dick slap against anothers dude face was called a bath. Sure faggot has been used as a derogatory term, but incredibly less so than other historical insults. I mean I am a lot more cautious saying it now by a long shot since gayness is pretty much a norm at this point, at least in the USA, so its not really something to use regularly, im older as well, but id use it in private, safe, friendly company who know what im saying isnt homophobic, but actually just calling someone/something an idiot/stupid/dumb.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46426683][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflBPs49vok[/media][/QUOTE] Nevermind what I said about the Ralph Retort, I'm just going to post archive links of that in the future if there's something relevant. ([URL="http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/MenInBlack_633.jpg"]Even if the spin is absolutely ridiculous, there's usually at least some factual truth after all.[/URL])

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46429021]To be fair, "faggot" also has a lot of historical context. But "batshit insane"? You'd have to be aneurotypical to get offended by that.[/QUOTE] Insane, retard, idiot or other stuff is only disrespectful towards, well, insane, retards and idiots, when said in their face.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46427255]so about the liana k interview, she claims all people get at video game events now from developers/publishers is t-shirts. sounds like bullshit, i thought people claimed to be getting tablets from ubisoft at their watchdogs event? [url]http://www.geek.com/games/ubisoft-hands-out-free-nexus-7-tablets-at-watch-dogs-event-1591318/[/url] yep its right here. she's lied on several occasions since the beginning of #gg and i don't trust her, personally.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TheJoey;46427302]her points are valid but i don't trust her word or her intentions.[/QUOTE] She's definitely more on the journalist side of things, but I don't think she herself is a problem, specifically. She also didn't deny that these gifts were happening or a problem (but also didn't bring it up herself). I think that's fairly normal for someone who has some bias but is professional enough to not be totally one-sided. It's a problem, but it's not a [I]huge[/I] problem. In that regard inaccuracies should be pointed out but I don't think she as a person is outright harmful. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Athlias;46428090][url]https://8chan.co/gg/res/440315.html[/url] Feminist Frequency is a fraud charity?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://archive.today/7IThk"]Here's an archive, since that 404'd already.[/URL] She wouldn't have had to declare the Kickstarter donations I think, since the charity was registered afterwards afaik, but anything she collected through her website after the registration/that note about being a charity would have to be declared. [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Teddybeer;46428111]I remember from previous digging that FF is registered in different states. In one as nonprofit will in the other for profit.[/QUOTE] Right, the Kickstarter stuff may have been filed under the latter. [URL="http://www.feministfrequency.com/donate/"]However, the website's donation page states clearly that it is a registered non-profit.[/URL] Filing the donations under the other company would be fraudulent.

Her rationale that "it's how it has to be done" is simply bs though. It doesn't. That she chooses to accept swag is her deal, in no way or form does that mean as she says "it just has to be". They give you the swag for a reason, saying "oh it has zero bearing on decisions" is absurd. Of course it does. You think Totilo took his job because he believes games should be sensationalized because they're sensational? lol. He took the job because he's a jack-boot liberal and the job affords him ->free<- means to do it and netted him ownership of a freaking downtown Brownstone.

So can someone clear me up on whats been happening in the last day or two.

[QUOTE=Xonax;46429860]So can someone clear me up on whats been happening in the last day or two.[/QUOTE] e-celeb shit: king of pol shot himself in the foot. Made false evidence involving gawker owner nick denton then goes full batshit today when caught. everyone involved in the sat stream (except sargon) is taking a break from gg actual gg news: feds (FBI/DHS/Etc.) are watching gg and found some people lied about death threats. people are trying to do FOIA requests to find out who mike (doxxed gg lawyer) has a unidentified snitch and that snitch has alot of dirt to give. the lawsuit he is gonna do happens in 2015.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46429874][...] mike (doxxed gg lawyer) has a unidentified snitch[/QUOTE] [I]Hypothetically.[/I] (I know it's somewhat likely that this person exists, but this lawyer's blog is a bit on the speculative side even for lawyer blogs afaik. He's definitely doing some stuff just to stir up the opposition. Which is probably a good strategy in his profession but ehhh.) [editline]7th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46429874][...] the lawsuit he is gonna do happens in 2015.[/QUOTE] Right, that's there too. I think we can trust what he says in realis since he's a lawyer ([editline]edit[/editline] and especially since he operates in the jury system), but anything that he says hypothetically speaking is not exactly reliable information.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46429874]e-celeb shit: king of pol shot himself in the foot. Made false evidence involving gawker owner nick denton then goes full batshit today when caught. everyone involved in the sat stream (except sargon) is taking a break from gg [/QUOTE] You mean the screenshots from a few days ago of a facebook post, and the stream of Sargon?

[QUOTE=uber.;46430193]You mean the screenshots from a few days ago of a facebook post, and the stream of Sargon?[/QUOTE] yup and by sat stream i mean the IA stream

[QUOTE=Wii60;46429874]e-celeb shit: king of pol shot himself in the foot. Made false evidence involving gawker owner nick denton then goes full batshit today when caught. everyone involved in the sat stream (except sargon) is taking a break from gg actual gg news: feds (FBI/DHS/Etc.) are watching gg and found some people lied about death threats. people are trying to do FOIA requests to find out who mike (doxxed gg lawyer) has a unidentified snitch and that snitch has alot of dirt to give. the lawsuit he is gonna do happens in 2015.[/QUOTE] wait, what was the fake evidence?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46430366]wait, what was the fake evidence?[/QUOTE] The facebook screenshots from nick denton. when his FB went down and hotwheels verified we all trusted. But apparantly hotwheels was also trusting to a degree, and has now gone back and ripped kop a new one for lying.

Hotwheels trusted "for now" and sent it to Milo for further verification. Milo confirmed it as fake, Hotwheels called KoP out and got confirmation from KoP.

Jesus, manufacturing false evidence? KOP, what the fuck were you thinking?

So yep, theres [I]yet[/I] another hashtag to try to stop GG, [I]ReaderGate[/I]...because hey, those previous tags made worked out so well, didn't cause a spiky bump in GG or anythin! (I counted 14 tags by them which all failed in 2 months...thats pretty shitty for 'em.)

[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46430893]So yep, theres [I]yet[/I] another hashtag to try to stop GG, [I]ReaderGate[/I]...because hey, those previous tags made worked out so well, didn't cause a spiky bump in GG or anythin! (I counted 14 tags by them which all failed in 2 months...thats pretty shitty for 'em.)[/QUOTE] Where the fuck does reading come into this? Oh, you mean reading the mass mounds of evidence we collected? :v: