Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.

[1legmidget]

[QUOTE=Devodiere;46453523]I don't think it's necessary in the slightest to inform the general public about this, they aren't related and I doubt they'll care enough to do anything. Escalating it to mainstream media by Anita and co was a stupid idea for them, and it's a stupid idea here.

Anti-GG might have made this into a PR war thinking that bullying everyone into submission means they win, but playing that game isn't going to go anywhere. [B]Stay on target, publicise all the corrupt and stupid shit done by them, make clear this isn't safe for advertisers, and don't give two shits about people defaming the name. You don't have to make yourself out to be the good guy to win, all you need is to make clear to everyone how shit Gawker is.[/B][/QUOTE]

Seriously this. We've been playing this game for years.

Every time we get labeled as whining man-babies and disgusting nerds, but we're winning. Every time someone fucks up trying to get away with blatantly anti-consumer shit we're ready and the discussion kicks back up again.

DRM? ME3? F:NV? 30FPS locks? 10/10IGN? Micro-transactions? The lists of asshole devs and journalists?

The ride never ends. People have been looking for a way to go after this shit for years and we finally found cracks in their armor. We've been inconsistent in our publisher boycotts and such because there are enough kids that will willingly let these assholes shit in their mouths and thank them for it.

Now we can and have reason to go after publications. We've got a way to hit back at the paid advertising of shit games and a chance to bring in a bunch of new talent that might not have had a voice previously. There's no way they can win even if they kill the hashtag or take down all of our Ecelebs. Their narrative is broken, and they've lost their [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle"]most important consumers[/URL].

[xBackfire]

[QUOTE=1legmidget;46454004]Stuff[/QUOTE]
F:NV? Fallout? Im sorry for derailing but what exactly happened there? Are you talking about Bethesda like supposedly not giving obsidian money because of the metacritic score? I wasnt really following all of that so i dunno if thats what it was

[NcTn]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&gettingStartedReturn=true#GamerGate[/url]

This page is getting pretty interesting.

[cliff2]

[QUOTE=xBackfire;46454058]F:NV? Fallout? Im sorry for derailing but what exactly happened there? Are you talking about Bethesda like supposedly not giving obsidian money because of the metacritic score? I wasnt really following all of that so i dunno if thats what it was[/QUOTE]

Yeah the deal there is the metacritic score being off by one point so they didn't get the bonus. People don't like that all these review outlets have the power to cause devs to lose out on money just because they don't like one thing. For example think of the Bayo 2 review by polygon that was nearly 20 points lower than the more reasonable publications because they didn't like bayo as a character. This lowers the metacritic score. If stupid crap like that can drop the score enough that devs miss out on payment from their publishers, then enough reviewers together really can twist the arms of the devs to only produce what they want.

[Te Great Skeeve]

[QUOTE=NcTn;46454440][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&gettingStartedReturn=true#GamerGate[/URL]

This page is getting pretty interesting.[/QUOTE]

Arbitration committee will do nothing or go on the side of the majority of editors (also known as the "Owners, who make the majority edits.) It's 4 half-administrators vs about 10.

The pro-neutrality guys are arguing simply it's not neutral enough and the editors are biased, while the rest are arguing the only reliable sources are mainstream media and that pro-neutrality are enacting on strong feelings. (Many a times personally attacking them.)

Needless to say this will outcome in nothing, as I said, it'll be years before that article is properly remade.

There is a site dedicated to previous wikipedia editors that are angry with wikipedia's standards : [URL]http://wikipediareview.com/[/URL] [URL="http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showforum=45"]Ryulong[/URL] is considered one of the worst editors on there, and has an entire category dedicated to him.
Ryulong just happens to be the worst offender since, almost ever.

[uber.]

[URL="https://twitter.com/sarahthebeef/status/527616234872111105"]"Sexism is bad, so here's a picture me being sexist."[/URL]

To actually argue, and I can't believe I'm wasting my time doing so, she's generalising and if it was only for the sexist assholes, yes, by all means yes, I'd even be in that same fucking boat making fun of those obsolete assholes. But you're a journalist for god's sake. Your articles appear on sites like the escapist. And a journalist should know better than trying to be super edgy when all they really do is shooting sand corns javelin missiles.

[Ziron]

These morons wouldn't know what professionalism is if it fucked them in the ass.

[GLH]

[QUOTE=uber.;46454794][URL="https://twitter.com/sarahthebeef/status/527616234872111105"]"Sexism is bad, so here's a picture me being sexist."[/URL]

To actually argue, and I can't believe I'm wasting my time doing so, she's generalising and if it was only for the sexist assholes, yes, by all means yes, I'd even be in that same fucking boat making fun of those obsolete assholes. But you're a journalist for god's sake. Your articles appear on sites like the escapist. And a journalist should know better than trying to be super edgy when all they really do is shooting sand corns javelin missiles.[/QUOTE]

Something that has probably been said a million times before, but she does know that "male tears" is often used in place of the word "semen", right?
I mean, sure, if she's into that sort of thing. But I have my doubts about whether or not that's what she means.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

is there any other entertainment industry that is as abusive to their consumers as the video game industry is?

[Swilly]

Hey man, she's drinking man juice from a cup, she just buys it from the sperm bank.

[editline]10th November 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46455271]Music industry comes close.[/QUOTE]

The movie industry is more abusive toward itself than its consumers.

[Quiet]

[QUOTE=01271;46451662]Can we code golf this?[/QUOTE]

59 bytes:

if((Tweeter=Gamergater)||(Tweet=Negative))cout<<"Block.\n";

The ironic thing is, since she used assignment instead of equality, it not only turns Tweeter into a Gamergater and makes Tweet Negative, but also prints "Block." only if Gamergater evaluates to true (I would assume Negative evaluates to false).

[editline]10th November 2014[/editline]

I guess by this logic, since she is blocking gamergaters, they must be telling the truth!

[Jamsponge]

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46455271]Music industry comes close.[/QUOTE]
At least with the music industry, it's mainly the big publishers and only a few big-name artists who actively seem to dislike their customers. With gaming it seems to be increasingly common that the developer is always right (which is a fair enough view, but you can't exactly blame consumers for not wanting to buy your game if you're not going to listen to constructive criticism).

[ZuXer]

[QUOTE=Kralizec;46451248]Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee is taking a look at the Gamergate article.

/gg/ is flipping shit

[URL="https://8chan.co/gg/res/471658.html#471658"]https://8chan.co/gg/res/471658.html#471658[/URL][/QUOTE]
So, just what is the Arbitration committee? Bunch of people come together to examine wheter an article is being hijacked by a circlejerk, or what?

[Sgt. Napalm]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46455229]is there any other entertainment industry that is as abusive to their consumers as the video game industry is?[/QUOTE]

Cable, phone, and internet, for sure. Comcast is terrible.

[Coldmute]

Telecomm isn't an entertainment industry though.

[Sgt. Napalm]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46455867]Telecomm isn't an entertainment industry though.[/QUOTE]

I missed that part actually. My bad.

[TheJoey]

from totalbiscuit:

[url]http://blueplz.blogspot.com/2014/11/i-spoke-to-david-rosen-of-wolfire-and.html[/url]

[Mickyan]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46456104]from totalbiscuit:

[URL]http://blueplz.blogspot.com/2014/11/i-spoke-to-david-rosen-of-wolfire-and.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Doesn't change my opinion of him one bit, it's his shameful display on twitter that I had a problem with, not what he supposedly stand for (which turns out to be more or less what gamergate is about, who'd have thought of that about a hate campaign!)

I see no apology about being called a mysoginist there, so as far as I'm concerned david still believes gamergate is about harrassing women

[ithon]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkXH_ry6AT0[/media]
ikia stream going

[Heldure]

[QUOTE=Ziron;46454902]These morons wouldn't know what professionalism is if it fucked them in the ass.[/QUOTE]

there's an ironic joke in there somewhere

[Rocâ„¢]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46452061]the guy who sargon is replying to in the video got massively butthurt and took to twitter to respond

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NymRMRE.png[/IMG]

someone came in to talk with the puppet guy.

the result (the purple av is the guy who made the puppet vid)

[URL]https://archive.today/ncvpe[/URL][/QUOTE]
These people make it should like if they lose, a huge patriarchical figure will come down from the skies and enslave every woman on the planet or something.

[NcTn]

Pakman opinion piece up.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fiz35EP2I[/url]

Also, take another look of:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#GamerGate[/url]

[Damjen]

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46457173]These people make it should like if they lose, a huge patriarchical figure will come down from the skies and enslave every woman on the planet or something.[/QUOTE]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some of them believed that something like this will happen without them, they are so full of themselves

[Chris_the_qt]

[QUOTE=uber.;46454794][URL="https://twitter.com/sarahthebeef/status/527616234872111105"]"Sexism is bad, so here's a picture me being sexist."[/URL]

To actually argue, and I can't believe I'm wasting my time doing so, she's generalising and if it was only for the sexist assholes, yes, by all means yes, I'd even be in that same fucking boat making fun of those obsolete assholes. But you're a journalist for god's sake. Your articles appear on sites like the escapist. And a journalist should know better than trying to be super edgy when all they really do is shooting sand corns javelin missiles.[/QUOTE]

She works for escapist, haven't they started getting sick of bullshitters like her?

[CcZero]

-snip-

forgot to update the page before posting :<

Edit:

Just to fill this post with more than a failure, I might as well post my reaction to Pakman's video. I think it's a bit of a shame that he articulates a wish for people to drop a subject because there are "more important issues". He's technically right (the best kind of right!), but I feel it's counter productive to degrade people when they strive towards improving something they're passionate about. Improvement, regardless of scale and location in society, should be encouraged, no?

[uber.]

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;46457316]She works for escapist, haven't they started getting sick of bullshitters like her?[/QUOTE]
I honestly do like the pieces of Sarah and Carly, however it is beyond me why Sarah is shitposting and Carly shares tweets from Katherine Cross, which are in essence hate speech.

Let's look at today's ignorance of Miss Cross:
[QUOTE]They keep saying they want a debate, but they offer no real topics of debate. Other than, perhaps, debating whether or not GG harasses.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]Plainly speaking. Stopping Gamergate is about letting women work in this field without the threat of a mob going after them.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]Hence Leigh Alexander becoming a hate figure, and now Mattie Brice. Because they hurt the feelings of some GGers.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]The "mature" thing would have been for GG to not harass a woman who said something they didn't like, first and foremost.[/QUOTE]
You're talking to a hashtag. On Twitter.
[QUOTE]And now one GGer brings up the "wiping" of Reddit threads. You know, the ones organising harassment against Zoe Quinn.[/QUOTE]
Do you even logic?
[QUOTE]As I've said before, GG sees trans people as, at best, useful props, and at worst pawns to divide feminists. Either way we're objects.[/QUOTE]
YOU ARE STILL TALKING TO A FUCKING HASHTAG WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

[meefy]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46450602]note that anita and friends want to censor the internet

[url]http://ownnator.tumblr.com/post/102111034335/this-just-in-anita-sarkeesian-co-have-begun[/url][/QUOTE]

The entirety of the second slide could be done via a userscript, providing that any of those insufferable children could be bothered, because literally anybody can produce one.

Case in point, the entirety of faceraper was produced while drunk. (I do feel pretty bad for the poor bastards still maintaining that pile of shit lol, at least they did away with my "compression")

[Jamsponge]

'Gamergate' sees trans people as props?
You see, that's funny, because you guys have made me feel nothing but welcome, whereas if I'd been more public about #NotYourShield etc, I would almost certainly have been called a sockpuppet or even a fake account by now.

[editline]10th November 2014[/editline]

So if I'm a prop, then I'm being treated with more respect than the so called 'social justice' people would give me, anyway. I'm pro-social justice. I'm just anti-dickheads using a rights movement to further themselves.

[Ziron]

Today on my Facebook a friend posted a picture of her in a dress that had a v-cut that clearly exposed the inner sides of her boobs. After detoxing myself from the blatant male gaze in the image, I will call McIntosh myself and ask for advice about how to save her from the pig men that manipulate her. I am sure he has advice that will put her in li-I mean enlighten her to the truth about how every thought about her looks is dicated to her by men and she has no free will.

[uber.]

[url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/07/in-praise-of-leigh-alexander-gamergate-video-games-sexism-bullying[/url]
[QUOTE]In praise of … Leigh Alexander, fighting back against Gamergate

Emboldened by an aggressive and counterproductive campaign of abuse, the culture writer refuses to be intimidated by Gamergate[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
The tech journalist Leigh Alexander, who has pointed out the lack of diversity in gaming and the cliched representations of women in games, refuses to be intimidated. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]has pointed out the lack of diversity in gaming[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php[/url]

[QUOTE]‘Games culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]They don’t know how to dress or behave. [/QUOTE]
Fuck off, Guardian. :smile: