Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Im curious, what would you rather have in a modern military shooter?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46482673]The military is inherently masculine, particularly the pointy end of the stick that consists of 99% of the military games on the market. Like someone said earlier, dudebros don't really care about the plot of the game or when it tries to be edgy. They think Call of Duty is cool because its an easy to pick up and play game that emulates the action movie military fantasy incredibly well. A fantasy that appeals to men because men, far far more than women, are represented in militarized conflict.[/QUOTE] I like power fantasies because screaming and shooting big guns and driving tanks and being stronk is fun. I find a visceral appeal in enforcing my will on those around me and punishing people who do bad things. I do not buy that I only like that because of gender representation, and I don't buy that other people dislike that only because of gender representation. If culture was able to so totally control what people do and do not like, rock and roll would not exist.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46482768]Im curious, what would you rather have in a modern military shooter?[/QUOTE] Better netcode. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46482782]I like power fantasies because screaming and shooting big guns and driving tanks and being stronk is fun. I find a visceral appeal in enforcing my will on those around me and punishing people who do bad things. I do not buy that I only like that because of gender representation, and I don't buy that other people dislike that only because of gender representation. If culture was able to so totally control what people do and do not like, rock and roll would not exist.[/QUOTE] I think we essentially said the same thing. I wasn't suggesting that "culture was controlling" you or anyone else.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46481603]really wish we had a rekt rating.[/QUOTE] Zing works fine.

cute. I was being serious. I see a lot of people criticizing modern military shooters regarding gender and I can never get a sensible answer.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46482825]Better netcode. [/QUOTE] This. So much. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46482782] If culture was able to so totally control what people do and do not like, rock and roll would not exist.[/QUOTE] Counter-culture is also a product of dominant cultural* environment though... Which is what always causes me much pain. Why people tend to... I don't even know how to explain or call it. Bring unneeded complexity into things, and then oversimplify that very thing. It's how the dreaded Patriarchy ended up being thrown around as some sort of conspiracy Illuminati shit that controls everything and everyone. Way too complex and "powerful" for what it actually is (misnomer for a specific social structure that contains certain transformed leftovers from centuries long gone), and then made simple for stupid people to create hype. And stupid people then just run with it and it all becomes a big unfunny joke. *this word is used very liberally here, in the most broad sense of the word.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46482850]cute. I was being serious. I see a lot of people criticizing modern military shooters regarding gender and I can never get a sensible answer.[/QUOTE] I don't have another answer for you because I wasn't criticizing modern military shooters regarding gender. I think bullets working in FPS games is a lot more important than gender politics.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46480163][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xCv54UW.png[/IMG] These people are insane[/QUOTE] yes i remember when all women were sent to concentration camps oh

fantastic. that actually made me a bit happier (original response felt a lot like a brush off than a legitimate answer). I'd much rather talk about the mechanics involved in a videogame than anything else. I play a lot of quake andthe game's mechanics comes up all the time whereas representation of gender does not. unless you're looking at the quake live forums which is trash tier. I do have a few experiences of asking someone what they would suggest these companies do to better represent females outside of shoehorning them in as a character and very rarely do I get a response.

At their core, the military shooters just really were made to look like the military, and most of the military forces today are male. If they were mostly female, that would be reflected in the games.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46482825]Better netcode. I think we essentially said the same thing. I wasn't suggesting that "culture was controlling" you or anyone else.[/QUOTE] I just think that the power of culture to control people's tastes is too often overstated.

There's a lot of terminology that just doesn't seem to work anymore. Hardcore applied to the most core of core gamers, e-sports are kinda irrelevant to that, watching baseball doesn't make you a hardcore fan of personally hitting balls with sticks, CoD is about as closely focused on the core market as cellphone farming games it's designed to be pushed to as wide a market as possible. And honestly the big names on the other side of things feel way more dudebro to me. Especially after the make fun of all nerds gamers are all fat ugly virgins comments :v:

[QUOTE=Heldure;46482850]cute. I was being serious. I see a lot of people criticizing modern military shooters regarding gender and I can never get a sensible answer.[/QUOTE] It's one of those problems that we probably wont have an answer for any time soon because nobody really thinks about it too much. There's no real gender politics in military shooters outside of the few women appearing under-dressing occasionally because "hurr boobies". But that's being curbed too. Making the games not so fucking repetitive is a much more interesting and important thing tbh. There's only so many times I can shoot people in Sandduneistan or nondescript-asian-locale before it gets weird.

[QUOTE=echo78;46482958]There's a lot of terminology that just doesn't seem to work anymore. Hardcore applied to the most core of core gamers, e-sports are kinda irrelevant to that, watching baseball doesn't make you a hardcore fan of personally hitting balls with sticks, CoD is about as closely focused on the core market as cellphone farming games it's designed to be pushed to as wide a market as possible. And honestly the big names on the other side of things feel way more dudebro to me. Especially after the make fun of all nerds gamers are all fat ugly virgins comments :v:[/QUOTE] I'd argue that part of the gamergate movement is to establish the gamer identity along with film buffs and the like. People who appreciate games on an extremely deep level, enjoys multitudes of genre and are genuinely passioned about it.

[url]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/basedgamer-com[/url] games based rotten tomatoes site headed by Jennie Bharaj. 50k seems high, but I hope it makes it.

Well what if she runs with the money? :v:

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46482646]Maybe the people making these things aren't making them the way they are because they want to target men, they're making them that way because they want to target people who like action and explosions and fast cars. And those people just happen to be men. And personally I don't feel like I was ever pressured into my current tastes by society. People have looked down on me for liking violent, loud, and edgy media just as much as they've looked down on me for liking romantic, personal, and "girly" media. But that's just me.[/QUOTE] Honestly, it's going to be different for everybody- even though these attitudes are pervasive throughout the West, there is still variation. But when you consider that there are two totally separate toiletry industries- one 'for men', and one that often goes unlabelled because toiletries are automatically assumed to be a girl thing because women are prissy/ men are gross- and that when girl gamers (spelt without a u or a z), when walking into a games shop, are often asked if their copy of Call of Duty is 'for their boyfriend', I'd say that at the very least there's a problem with how society at large views gender. I never felt pressured into liking the things I liked, and I was happy to play with Action Man and Thunderbirds, but I certainly felt pressured never to play with dolls because they were nasty and girly, according to everybody.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46483367]Honestly, it's going to be different for everybody- even though these attitudes are pervasive throughout the West, there is still variation. But when you consider that there are two totally separate toiletry industries- one 'for men', and one that often goes unlabelled because toiletries are automatically assumed to be a girl thing because women are prissy/ men are gross- and that when girl gamers (spelt without a u or a z), when walking into a games shop, are often asked if their copy of Call of Duty is 'for their boyfriend', I'd say that at the very least there's a problem with how society at large views gender. I never felt pressured into liking the things I liked, and I was happy to play with Action Man and Thunderbirds, but I certainly felt pressured never to play with dolls because they were nasty and girly, according to everybody.[/QUOTE] I think that people shaming others for their tastes is wrong, and that everyone should be free to enjoy whatever they want to enjoy. I just don't see how edgy advertising plays into that, I think they're different issues.

[url]https://archive.today/CVlo7[/url]

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46482938]At their core, the military shooters just really were made to look like the military, and most of the military forces today are male. If they were mostly female, that would be reflected in the games.[/QUOTE] don't really want to make a huge argument but IMO war games should have more women in it

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;46483617]don't really want to make a huge argument but IMO war games should have more women in it[/QUOTE] I agree with you because arcade shooters really don't have a good reason to be just men, having both genders playable will help include more people. I'm just saying that people in the year 2014 are still surprised and shocked about military shooters having mostly male playable characters is a bit surprising to me. I'm heavily propagating "if you don't like it, make your own games".

[QUOTE=Rusty100;46482902]yes i remember when all women were sent to concentration camps oh[/QUOTE] Well, they are in the kitchen every once in a while

[QUOTE=Wii60;46483604][url]https://archive.today/CVlo7[/url][/QUOTE] This is actually a somewhat neutral article, and the comments are fairly pro-gg. People should really signal boost this and reiterate that people like this guy are the ones doing the death threats and doxing, not GamerGate.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46482913]fantastic. that actually made me a bit happier (original response felt a lot like a brush off than a legitimate answer). I'd much rather talk about the mechanics involved in a videogame than anything else. I play a lot of quake andthe game's mechanics comes up all the time whereas representation of gender does not. unless you're looking at the quake live forums which is trash tier. I do have a few experiences of asking someone what they would suggest these companies do to better represent females outside of shoehorning them in as a character and very rarely do I get a response.[/QUOTE] I think you aren't getting any responses regarding that sort of topic because most of the players of these games do not care about what the companies are doing regarding gender politics and are more interested in how well the company is with keeping their game(s) fun and enjoyable. A lot of people are just not interested in politics and I think this shows in a lot of discussion.

[URL]https://archive.today/213a3[/URL] I suggest you all start writing emails to intel. Preferably something that includes the words "spineless" and "AMD".

[QUOTE=Thlis;46483919][URL]https://archive.today/213a3[/URL] I suggest you all start writing emails to intel. Preferably something that includes the words "spineless" and "AMD".[/QUOTE] I have a bad feeling about this.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46483919][URL]https://archive.today/213a3[/URL] I suggest you all start writing emails to intel. Preferably something that includes the words "spineless" and "AMD".[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2m88ve/intel_are_not_back_advertising_at_gamasutra_its/[/url] Not really. EDIT: Maybe. It's all unclear right now

[QUOTE=DuCT;46483971][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2m88ve/intel_are_not_back_advertising_at_gamasutra_its/[/url] Not really.[/QUOTE] Gamasutra posted that they are. If they are telling the truth then Intel is spineless and deserve complaint emails If they aren't telling the truth then Intel will say that Gamasutra is lying.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46483919][URL]https://archive.today/213a3[/URL] I suggest you all start writing emails to intel. Preferably something that includes the words "spineless" and "AMD".[/QUOTE] Can't really threaten them with not giving them my money. Never bought an Intel CPU :v: [editline]14th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;46483989]Gamasutra posted that they are. If they are telling the truth then Intel is spineless and deserve complaint emails If they aren't telling the truth then Intel will say that Gamasutra is lying.[/QUOTE] And if they are lying Intel will probably fuck with them a bit. You can't say "yeee we affiliated" when you aren't for a good reason.

At this point it may very well be that Gamasutra is lying. It would be so much easier if they had some ethics. [url]https://twitter.com/AneiDoru/status/533064930904141824[/url]