Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46493173]There is no singular "social justice" movement because social justice covers a myriad of topics.[/QUOTE] There is no singular issue, ideology, or collected movement. That diversity is why criticising what SJWs believe as a collective is so flawed, each person will likely hold a different view and it will cause nothing but misunderstanding about each other's position. Despite the different branches and ideology though, the collective achievements of everyone identifying as part of feminism or social justice are incredibly small. Even factoring in different methods and social groups, no-one's really accomplished much and people seem to be going in circles more than anything else.

Just came back from a night of drinking in York University. Oh my. So I start to hear a bit of a nearby conversation: "...hahah, just like 'gaming journalism', right guys?" Me: "Yeah, there are quite a few problems with it." "What? No, GG is pretty clearly about harassment. I mean seriously." Me: "Well actually there are a good number of sides to the issue; it's not quite so clear cut as-" "There aren't any other sides to it!!" (seriously, he said that.) Me: *downs entire drink* "Alright, fuck it, let's not have this conversation." And that's basically how I've had to deal with this shit in day-to-day discourse at this point. Toronto kinda sucks sometimes.

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;46494189]Just came back from a night of drinking in York University. Oh my. So I start to hear a bit of a nearby conversation: "...hahah, just like 'gaming journalism', right guys?" Me: "Yeah, there are quite a few problems with it." "What? No, GG is pretty clearly about harassment. I mean seriously." Me: "Well actually there are a good number of sides to the issue; it's not quite so clear cut as-" "There aren't any other sides to it!!" (seriously, he said that.) Me: *downs entire drink* "Alright, fuck it, let's not have this conversation." And that's basically how I've had to deal with this shit in day-to-day discourse at this point. Toronto kinda sucks sometimes.[/QUOTE] Tips from me, state more of your discussion in questions. "how is it clear?" however, you were at a bar so any discussion can turn into fist fights.

Well I had kind of gotten to that point in the night where I cared more about drinking than arguing with SJW shitlords.

[QUOTE=Ithon;46493857][url]https://archive.today/k6ORS[/url] No strings Mr. Jim, says I'm friends with so and so.[/QUOTE] I don't know how popular Jim is but I don't think he's going to do nearly as well on his own.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46494347]I don't know how popular Jim is but I don't think he's going to do nearly as well on his own.[/QUOTE] I just saw 40 more people start up donations from the last time I checked, wait until next friday.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;46494057]There is no singular issue, ideology, or collected movement. That diversity is why criticising what SJWs believe as a collective is so flawed, each person will likely hold a different view and it will cause nothing but misunderstanding about each other's position. Despite the different branches and ideology though, the collective achievements of everyone identifying as part of feminism or social justice are incredibly small. Even factoring in different methods and social groups, no-one's really accomplished much and people seem to be going in circles more than anything else.[/QUOTE] The SJW hivemind is living with fetal alcohol syndrome, and has self-diagnosed multiple personality disorder, of course its incapable of consensus.

[QUOTE=Muggi;46493377]Hey, that's nice and all... but didn't he say something along the lines of "there is no problem currently in games journalism" or atleast imply that the issue wasn't as big a deal as everyone is making it seem? Because if he did, he must have realized something was up if he just decided to try to do the independent journalism thing.[/QUOTE] Whatever the case, it must be pretty serious for someone like Jim to abandon ship.

he did post on the escapist forums briefly after criticizing their decision to post that article interviewing those devs, saying he was thinking of moving onto greener pastures. It's possible it's not even related to GG, he had probably been planning it for awhile if he would say something like that so quickly after the article was posted.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KfjGkEr.png[/IMG] I don't have a list of burn centers big enough to handle this.

As atrocious as the incident is, it literally has nothing to do with Gamergate. Back on topic, seems like all there is to discuss now are radical feminists.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46495753][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KfjGkEr.png[/IMG] I don't have a list of burn centers big enough to handle this.[/QUOTE] Holy shit that is absolutely disgusting.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46495879]As atrocious as the incident is, it literally has nothing to do with Gamergate. Back on topic, seems like all there is to discuss now are radical feminists.[/QUOTE] Well, it's about ethics in journalism. Plus, it's an excellent anecdote for showing people how badly SJWs can ruin a perfectly good person's life.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46495879]As atrocious as the incident is, it literally has nothing to do with Gamergate. Back on topic, seems like all there is to discuss now are radical feminists.[/QUOTE] Ethics in Journalism, Chris Plante has been mentioned before I believe, along with the hypocrisy. Seems related to me.

I thought it was ethics in games journalism? And yes, he's ex-polygon, but I still consider this incident much less important than the stuff we should focus on, like the state of IGF, bringing down Gawker, force "blogs" to revise their ethics policies.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46486378][URL]https://archive.today/vsVyG[/URL][/QUOTE] Oh my fucking god. They will literaly pull their intestines out of their asses to make their comparisons work. It's beyond me how they actually TRY to connect Sarah Connor's death to GamerGate being mysoginist. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Hidole555;46487933]The CBC is even going after pakman. Pure insanity. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dS1HzFC.png[/IMG] Video featuring pakman: [video=youtube;ELZXPvdH9AY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELZXPvdH9AY[/video][/QUOTE] This just proves how delusionaly poisonous AGG is.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46496118]I thought it was ethics in games journalism? And yes, he's ex-polygon, but I still consider this incident much less important than the stuff we should focus on, like the state of IGF, bringing down Gawker, force "blogs" to revise their ethics policies.[/QUOTE] GG has always contradicted its ideals to go after unrelated incidents in which SJWs are involved. I'm surprised you only noticed this now.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46495753][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KfjGkEr.png[/IMG] I don't have a list of burn centers big enough to handle this.[/QUOTE] The people going after this guy are total fucks, and should probably have just stopped at "hey man, your shirt is a bit fucking weird, like realsies it's not great". But comparing it to rape-normalisation? That's pretty fucking low.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46496231]GG has always contradicted its ideals to go after unrelated incidents in which SJWs are involved. I'm surprised you only noticed this now.[/QUOTE] Because 1 guy finding this funny and posting it here totally means that all of GG is going after them.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;46496231]GG has always contradicted its ideals to go after unrelated incidents in which SJWs are involved. I'm surprised you only noticed this now.[/QUOTE] It is relevant to point out and disassemble the kind of smear tactics and PR campaigns used against the goal of ethics in games journalism. If you do that, they stop working.

In a way, I wish that the right wing weren't so involved with Gamergate. It's not that I don't value their input, but their mere presence is enough ammo to load up all of AGG's magazines twice over. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] As a fairly radical leftist person who still has a couple of right-wing friends, I think it's possible to disagree with some of a person's views whilst agreeing with others. But it seems like for most of the anti-GG people, it's all totally black and white. I actually think a couple of them have made good points regarding Gamergate itself, but that doesn't mean I suddenly think Leigh Alexander is a wonderful person or Anita Sarkeesian is the saviour of feminism in gaming.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46497051]In a way, I wish that the right wing weren't so involved with Gamergate. It's not that I don't value their input, but their mere presence is enough ammo to load up all of AGG's magazines twice over.[/QUOTE] Fuck 'em. It's not like even if right wingers weren't present AGG wouldn't invent them. They're content with playing 'harassment' card most of the time anyway.

Totalbiscut audioblog on more journalism : [url]https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/oh-youre-upset[/url]

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46497244]Totalbiscut audioblog on more journalism : [url]https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/oh-youre-upset[/url][/QUOTE] That was way more about his tweet about Patreon than anything else.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46490496]On a side note, I'm actually only a couple of degrees of separation away from Laura K Dale, who's been in news articles on Facepunch a couple of times, as well as being in this. I'm kind of tempted to try and talk to her about Gamergate but I really don't know her very well (I've never spoken to her but she lives locally and dated/ is dating a friend of mine's sister), and I'm concerned that I'll just totally be shunned by her, which would probably be bad for my relationship with my friend.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you're definitely a few degrees of separation too far to walk up to her an casually bring it up. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Stents*;46490729][url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/14/7222007/value-of-criticism[/url] Chris Plante wrote a follow up on his shirt article. He and The Verge are getting torn up in the comments.[/QUOTE] [quote=Chris Plante]There is, however, one type of reply to the piece that most concerns me and that I want to dissect. [B]It's the belief that criticism is inherently all-encompassing, that disliking part of something means a critic dislikes the whole. And worse, that if someone or something receives negative criticism, it is spoiled for the remainder of history.[/B] These are some of the accusations I've received: I hate science, I hate progress, I hate men, and that now no one will remember this space landing. None of this is true. Though I wrote a critical piece about Taylor's shirt, I am not excluded from appreciating Taylor as a scientist, or the Philae landing as a profound act of human intelligence. Nor does it mean the landing is forever tarnished by what I wrote, along with incredible support of my colleague Arielle Duhaime-Ross. Writers can be egotists, but no one is crazy enough to think an op-ed is bigger than this decade-long experiment in space.[/quote][emphasis mine] *ahem* [editline]edit[/editline] Other than the obvious, this is also evidence of ridiculous and dangerous carelessness the author legitimises for himself despite being in a position where his words [I]do[/I] have quite an impact. That's despicable.

On the topic of right and left politics,why does it matter if right or left supports if you makes issues over it ,it just muddles the issues.This is why we are in this situation someone brought gender politics and applied it to every thing they could like Super Mario World ffs.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46497862]On the topic of right and left politics,why does it matter if right or left supports if you makes issues over it ,it just muddles the issues.This is why we are in this situation someone brought gender politics and applied it to every thing they could like Super Mario World ffs.[/QUOTE] The notion of giving main series Mario games something else than an excuse plot is pretty ridiculous by itself. I mean just look to where it got the Sonic franchise :suicide: I don't quite remember the first one, but in most of the Paper Mario games Peach isn't all that helpless (despite being kidnapped all the time), in line with how those games actually have a plot. Sarkeesian would have to do serious cherry picking to misrepresent games from that series as misogynistic. Mario & Luigi RPGs would probably be an easier target (I only have played one though), since they are somewhere between platformer and RPG and the one I played was much more heavily geared towards situational writing. It was still fun though.

[url]http://store.steampowered.com/curator/3213146-Anime-1.0/[/url] we literally need like 200-300 people to join this curator to kick kotaku off page 1

I never understood why a lot of people on facepunch hated Maxof2d untill I started seeing his tweets popping up everywhere dear god what a shithead

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46498140]I never understood why a lot of people on facepunch hated Maxof2d untill I started seeing his tweets popping up everywhere dear god what a shithead[/QUOTE] when hes not talking about politics he seems like a nice guy imo but the problem is that mainly what he talks about