Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Redswandir;46574249]the best part about that whole "review" or what the fuck ever is that it's not really even right all I know about Far Cry 4 is basically the main plot, of which (serious spoilers, if the words "main plot" didn't give that away) [sp]the "bad guy" Pagan is actually doing this for revenge over your mother's ashes, at the end the terrorists win and you piss the USA off, female terrorist turns the country into a drug country and makes tons of child soldiers and sends them off to fight, male terrorist executes a whole lot of people and brings the country back to it's old roots. either way the whole place ends up being pretty fucked since you messed everything up oh yeah, clearly these are great people to compare to social justice and equality [/sp][/QUOTE]...Does that mean that the[sp]Be polite to the "bad guy" and just let him go do his thing while he allows you to leave without any conflict[/sp]easter egg ending is technically the "golden" ending?

[QUOTE=Pennywise;46574304]...Does that mean that the[sp]Be polite to the "bad guy" and just let him go do his thing while he allows you to leave without any conflict[/sp]easter egg ending is technically the "golden" ending?[/QUOTE] (yes) It's probably trying to tell you that meddling for no reason is stupid.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;46574132]b-b-b-but wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_bureaucracy"]They even have a page that says so.[/URL][/QUOTE] In the end Wikipedia is always about who has the louder voice and has been in the community longer. It doesn't matter how irrational you are if you technically aren't breaking any wikipedia rules. When it comes to things like this they go "yeah community is right" and the majority happens to be people who only edit these type of articles, it's where wikipedia fails itself. [QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46573276]Anyone expert in wikipedia politics can explain why is it so difficult to stop someone who's clearly personally involved from editing an article? Surely wikipedia is not so starved in terms of editors that it needs to hang onto them despite obvious conflicts of interest?[/QUOTE] There is technically, no conflicts of interest. The idea is the editors from different groups(such as the feminism portal) can edit these as long as they provide sources as a encyclopedia should. Unless you are being PAID to edit the article, there is nothing against being personal involved in the article, as long as you toe the line of following the rules.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;46574322](yes) It's probably trying to tell you that meddling for no reason is stupid.[/QUOTE] Thats actually somewhat poetic. It's a real shame that some people can only see "misogyny" and "senseless killing"

And if you hear him out at the end, he even explains what he wanted from you to begin with. [sp]He was growing tired of running Kyrat and couldn't handle it himself anymore. Basically, things were just kinda not working out. And when he hears you are returning, he actually wants to have you come and succeed him, take over as ruler of Kyrat. That's why he makes such a big deal about the border guards at the beginning shooting the bus and nearly killing you, why he wanted the bus stopped and was already on his way to begin with, why he was preparing a dinner for you, all that. Even though you're the son of basically his sworn enemy, you're also like family to him as well, and he even states that you have a right to run Kyrat, and that both people you can work with are awful, and you shouldn't put up with them either. He honestly gives you a great "Reason you suck" speech. Hell, many characters in the game in the last half give you a good "Reason you suck" speech. Amita/Sabal when you go to deal with them, Yuma, Pagan Min, even the various villagers, virtually everyone you haven't been directly supporting tells you blatantly how awful the things you've done are, and how misguided you've been.[/sp]

Too bad all of that was ruined for some people after "you better like social justice or you'll be disappointed with FC4" tweet.

[QUOTE=Heldure;46574553]Too bad all of that was ruined for some people after "you better like social justice or you'll be disappointed with FC4" tweet.[/QUOTE] Honestly that plus the fact the story for FC3 wasn't all that great really lead me to that mindset. I was actually going to get it and find out for myself but it was actually the technical issues that scared me away. So really the tweets are just meaningless?

dev qa from broteam. mentions gamergate. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7Qy9N1C9E[/media]

I never noticed the sheer amount of political cartoons popping up. Not going to post any because they are all dumb.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46574654]I never noticed the sheer amount of political cartoons popping up. Not going to post any because they are all dumb.[/QUOTE] Stupidity is what made this whole thing possible. Go ahead, man.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46574654]I never noticed the sheer amount of political cartoons popping up. Not going to post any because they are all dumb.[/QUOTE] I remember seeing one from this dude, Graham Linewood or something, that was a bunch of neckbeardy looking guys saying something like "we're going to send women death threats because of ethics" and I'm like, holy shit that was the worst case of Not Doing The Goddamn Research I've ever seen. I'm getting really tired of this bullshit. There's more than enough evidence out there that GG really is about ethics in gaming media and that GG has raised some serious points, it'd be incredibly easy for anyone curious to google that shit and see it for themselves, but they'd rather take cherrypicked messages from rabid anti-GG people going "see, they really do want to kill all the women!" and not give it a second thought, even after prominent anti-GGers say shit like "bring back bullying" and "gg'ers should be put in nazi gas-chambers". It's absolutely mind-boggling how people are so willing to just accept the first piece of information they're given and give no amount of consideration to the possibility that they may have been wrong. This bullshit has been going on for 3 months, you'd think that would be enough time for some of these people to have found more information and go "oh shit, fuck that, I didn't realize how wrong I was, sorry!"

[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;46574574]Honestly that plus the fact the story for FC3 wasn't all that great really lead me to that mindset. I was actually going to get it and find out for myself but it was actually the technical issues that scared me away. So really the tweets are just meaningless?[/QUOTE] It's quite possible that any message in FC4 that was intended to be feminist was shoehorned in after most of the story was already planned out. It would explain why the perceived feminist character is such a horrible person and why the only thing that really indicates the writer's views is a tweet that came up very late in the game's development. A similar thing happened with Far Cry 3, actually: when critics slammed Far Cry 3's story (outside the parts with Vas) the writer complained that they just "didn't get it" and that the story was supposed to be a criticism of male power fantasies.

[QUOTE=27X;46568126]Pending civil suits have a way of doing that. *mysterious finger wiggling*[/QUOTE] I don't think you need to be mysterious about that, Cernovich posted on his blog he was going to pursue one against her along with the one who promoted filing false police reports against him, since she retweeted and endorsed it. [editline]26th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aredbomb;46574920]It's quite possible that any message in FC4 that was intended to be feminist was shoehorned in after most of the story was already planned out. It would explain why the perceived feminist character is such a horrible person and why the only thing that really indicates the writer's views is a tweet that came up very late in the game's development. A similar thing happened with Far Cry 3, actually: when critics slammed Far Cry 3's story (outside the parts with Vas) the writer complained that they just "didn't get it" and that the story was supposed to be a criticism of male power fantasies.[/QUOTE] So basically (some of) the people writing this series are [I]so bad at it that they accidentally say the opposite[/I]? How even :suicide:

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46574990] So basically (some of) the people writing this series are [I]so bad at it that they accidentally say the opposite[/I]? How even :suicide:[/QUOTE] That's France for you, baby.

UbiSoft has actually exceeded BioWareE at this point for "level of insulation approaching supervillain lair" status, check their actual digs for details. And it's pretty blatant these changes [hook, audio [listen to her voice, likely re-recordings], npc roster] were made after the game was well underway as a reaction to gamergate; which brings up another I should be covering via video but haven't; a lot of devs, especially ones in Austin and Canada in general will never support #GG, even if it's to their benefit, because they're either up to their ass in journofavors or the zeitgeist politics matter more than the form of art they practice... which is not only incredibly hurtful to the industry, it will damage other things in the long run, as we've already seen with comics and movies back in the day. There is no sum positive in McCarthyism, and a political game and a game about politics are two utterly different things; one can provoke thought and discussion and one is literally shouting down any form of insight or discussion.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;46574920]It's quite possible that any message in FC4 that was intended to be feminist was shoehorned in after most of the story was already planned out. It would explain why the perceived feminist character is such a horrible person and why the only thing that really indicates the writer's views is a tweet that came up very late in the game's development. A similar thing happened with Far Cry 3, actually: when critics slammed Far Cry 3's story (outside the parts with Vas) the writer complained that they just "didn't get it" and that the story was supposed to be a criticism of male power fantasies.[/QUOTE] Which is why I keep saying FC2 is the best game in the series, at least in terms of story and narrative. No bullshit megalunatics with enough charisma to be super likable, just a good rendition of a country torn by civil war, and a bunch of mercs stuck in it.

I posted a longer comment on Rosario's [I]Imperfect Tools[/I] post: [url]http://blog.robertorosario.com/imperfect-tools/#comment-1712812267[/url] It's mostly about what I think regarding balancing privacy against usefulness and making sure that the logs can't be accidentally misrepresented. Some of you might find it interesting or have something to add. There are a lot of questions that shouldn't be answered by one person alone.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46574442]Unless you are being PAID to edit the article, there is nothing against being personal involved in the article, as long as you toe the line of following the rules. [/QUOTE] Which is ridiculous especially for a protected article, if wikipedia wants pretend to be standing for neutrality.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46575738]Which is ridiculous especially for a protected article, if wikipedia wants pretend to be standing for neutrality.[/QUOTE] Wikipedia doesn't stand for neutrality and never will. They stand for being a collection of information from "RELIABLE" sources.

funny how know your meme has a better article on gamergate than wikipedia does

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46575801]Wikipedia doesn't stand for neutrality and never will. They stand for being a collection of information from "RELIABLE" sources.[/QUOTE]I see what you mean. I never skimmed through wiki's policy before, and it turns out it's not as black or white as I imagined. Anyway I haven't seen this posted anywhere: (regarding the proposed wiki article from the gamergate wikia) [img]http://i.imgur.com/gXS2J2b.png[/img] [url]https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/536975327005007873[/url] Despite wiki's recent shortcomings I just can't bring myself to dislike him, he seems like a great guy

[URL="http://goo.gl/forms/KyJeXIC1ag"]Take a survey that's been going around.[/URL] This form assumes you've been supporting Gamergate, though.

This is what I submitted as my answer for the final question: [quote]Video games have the power to be more influential than any other creative medium to date. They incorporate all the lessons learned from every medium prior to it and combining them in to a single package people get heavily invested in to. The power of this medium should not be abused and manipulated to promote certain individuals and groups nor to push certain ideas and exclude others, regardless of who they are. And even if you exclude the cultural power and risks in video games, the video game industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that has dwarfed almost all other creative industries in size and reach. Just as an industry with strong consumer ties, consumers should expect and have a right to honest information about the purchases they may be making. Lastly, gamers themselves are a diverse group of people from many demographics, an increasing number of such, all united by a passion for a specific interest. They should not have to put up with being told they are awful for their passion, that they are a dead entity, that they have no place in their own interests. And certainly not from the people who are supposed to represent.[/quote] Just figured I'd share it.

gamergate is gonna adopt a sea lion [url]http://wwf.worldwildlife.org/site/TR/PandaNation/Panda-Nation?team_id=53922&pg=team&fr_id=1182[/url]

What does "sea-lioning" even mean? I saw a picture with a puppet it had a definition, but all I took away from it was that it means to ask questions? Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46576329]What does "sea-lioning" even mean? I saw a picture with a puppet it had a definition, but all I took away from it was that it means to ask questions? Am I missing something?[/QUOTE] "Pestering a target with unsolicited questions delivered with a false air of civility." Basically it's politely asking about things without first being cleared by the Overmind.

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;46576364]"Pestering a target with unsolicited questions delivered with a false air of civility." Basically it's politely asking about things without first being cleared by the Overmind.[/QUOTE] To add on to that, the term was inspired by this webcomic, which was written in response to GG'ers having a tendency to pop up whenever someone tweets something negative about GG: [IMG]http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46576379]To add on to that, the term was inspired by this webcomic, which was written in response to GG'ers having a tendency to pop up whenever someone tweets something negative about GG: [IMG]http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Am I not supposed to side with the sealion She didn't bring up any valid points to back up her claim about sealions

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46576379]To add on to that, the term was inspired by this webcomic, which was written in response to GG'ers having a tendency to pop up whenever someone tweets something negative about GG: [IMG]http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Well the sealion aint wrong. If you have a conversation in a public space like twitter, you better goddamn expect people asking questions.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46573276]Anyone expert in wikipedia politics can explain why is it so difficult to stop someone who's clearly personally involved from editing an article? Surely wikipedia is not so starved in terms of editors that it needs to hang onto them despite obvious conflicts of interest?[/QUOTE] ArbCom processes are like molasses. It'll take a good while for any positive Ryulong result, other than a bureaucrat saying "FUCK THE SYSTEM" and just stripping him of his status immediately & blocking. It'd be considered political suicide for the blocking by other Wikipedians, unless it's Jimbo (again, he can and should be able to block on demand - he needs to put his money where his mouth is), since Ryulong will probably be unblocked and/or given his administrator status back.