Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

The final word on the Forbes article is one I agree strongly with. [quote]Perhaps none of this is the answer. Perhaps the only answer is to encourage honest debate between people who truly care about video games. A conversation is a powerful thing.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893168]Big nail on the head IMO. Be wary of people on the far right.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately all big name supporters we have seem to stem from right wing sources. Now that they are right wing doesn't outright mean that everything they are saying is wrong or bad, but I've got the fear that it's just a means to replace one extreme with the other. I'm starting to get the feeling that moderate views do not have enough power to actually pull any strings.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893233]/v/ was dead on when Anon's were saying that Adam Baldwin is a maverick who could hurt things for us. Baldwin and his crew are going to draw in a lot of conservatives. Hardcore conservatives. It's going to bring a lot of unneeded attention into gaming, and it's also going to turn gaming into a battlefield for non-gamers to play politics on. Nobody will win if that happens.[/QUOTE] While I agree with this (as a French socialist no less), it's sad that it was our only way of being heard over all these hit pieces published by the gaming press. But now that actual serious media have reported on this in a more objective light, like those Slate or Forbes articles, I think we can hope to be given a representation that's fair and not agenda-driven. The main criticism these seem to have against us (aside from idiots spouting intolerant bullshit) is that the evidence we present is a huge mess and as such kind of unconvincing. If we can organize that into something solid, like proving that the IGF is rigged, I'm sure we'd be given a voice about it by those papers.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45893329]Unfortunately all big name supporters we have seem to stem from right wing sources. Now that they are right wing doesn't outright mean that everything they are saying is wrong or bad, but I've got the fear that it's just a means to replace one extreme with the other. [/QUOTE] I had the same idea not a long while ago. Now I'm legit scared that we might get thrown our own accusations right back. Given this last stream/podcast/show, whatever that was, things may well go south. We spent so much time and energy arguing that it's not a social/political thing. We just might lose all credibility. Rightwingers across the board are not exactly known for their subtlety.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45893329][...] but I've got the fear that it's just a means to replace one extreme with the other.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I can see a huge conservative focus dominating gaming journalism if a lot of people on the left leave, and the right seeps into journalist positions. Granted, I don't think the left is going to completely depart from video gaming. In fact, I think most people won't leave during GG; it seems like the left is a permanent fixture in gaming now. But we should be wary of the fact that many people are being weakened and worn down. Even if you despise what they're doing, they're someone we have experience working/fighting with. We don't know what kind of wildcard will crop up if the right wing takes a huge hold onto gaming.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;45893260][url]http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/talent/256/[/url] IDK when Burch fucking lost it and put this on his gearbox.com bio but what matters is he did. Look at "Titles I have worked on".[/QUOTE] Now i don't know how things work over at Gearbox, but if i was Randy Pitchford, Anthony Burch would be cleaning his fucking desk right now. One thing is being a retard on his personal twitter, but vandalizing a company website is no go, no matter what.

[QUOTE=_Axel;45893349] But now that actual serious media have reported on this in a more objective light, like those Slate or Forbes articles, I think we can hope to be given a representation that's fair and not agenda-driven. [/QUOTE] This is the thing I feel the least strongly about. Representation... for whom. We'd need a spokesperson of sorts. And what if Baldwin gets ahead and goes on a rant? It'll blow everything.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45893329]Unfortunately all big name supporters we have seem to stem from right wing sources. Now that they are right wing doesn't outright mean that everything they are saying is wrong or bad, but I've got the fear that it's just a means to replace one extreme with the other. I'm starting to get the feeling that moderate views do not have enough power to actually pull any strings.[/QUOTE]Its more that big name moderates have a lot more at stake. People expect the far leaning parties to throw their hat in, but for people who don't take up an extreme perspective, they'll very quickly alienate everyone on one side of the issue because of how much certain parties have polarized it.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893359]We don't know what kind of wildcard will crop up if the right wing takes a huge hold onto gaming.[/QUOTE] Oh but we know. Same thing that happens with all neophytes. They'll go full zeal. Left-leaning zealots are unpleasant enough.

Really, word needs to get around to the various communities involved in this to just stop supporting people like Todd Kincannon and Adam Baldwin. To not repost every zinger they throw out and making them part of everything. Basically, just to not associate with them.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45893178]screw the gif, lets just go all the way to video [video=youtube;B1jY7BLQVMc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1jY7BLQVMc[/video][/QUOTE] I love this scene but it's even better in context because you don't see it coming. [sp]I starts out funny because they are joking around and making a bet, but then gradually changes into extremely well-executed cringe-worthiness that is even worse in hindsight because the cringy parts stay in memory longer. Then there's (iirc) an awkward pause after they are interrupted and then they top it off with an incredibly silly visual joke to clear the slate again.[/sp] Nisio Isin and Shaft are an amazing combination :dance:

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45893409]Really, word needs to get around to the various communities involved in this to just stop supporting people like Todd Kincannon and Adam Baldwin. To not repost every zinger they throw out and making them part of everything. Basically, just to not associate with them.[/QUOTE] The word should definitely be spread around. As long as no one goes calling them out on it though. It might get unpleasant otherwise, cleansing the ranks and splitting the movement is not the best kind of accusations to face.

[QUOTE=gudman;45893381]This is the thing I feel the least strongly about. Representation... for whom. We'd need a spokesperson of sorts. And what if Baldwin gets ahead and goes on a rant? It'll blow everything.[/QUOTE] Not sure, but IA seems to be concerned solely about what matters. I didn't see the whole stream so maybe I'm mistaken, but every time the host asked him a question intending to politicize the issue IA corrected him and explained what the real problem was about. My only gripe with him so far is that he's a bit too enthusiastic and tend to jump to conclusions. If he's not suitable, I guess TB could be a good spokesperson as well. He seems to be very rational and prefers diligent discussions to anger-filled rants.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;45893325]Nah he did that to himself. I think I'm the first to notice. I was looking up gearbox employees, I was thinking he was breaching some kind of professional conduct saying the things he do. Was thinking about mailing Gearbox about it.[/QUOTE] He tweeted about it beforehand I think, something about how it's a bad idea to let them edit their own bios.

Its not really about cleansing the ranks or anything. We just don't have to own them and make them a part of it. They can continue to make their own statements, get in to their own arguments, tweet whatever they want. But we don't have to make them a part of what we're doing. They don't have to be part of our discussions.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893359]Agreed. I can see a huge conservative focus dominating gaming journalism if a lot of people on the left leave, and the right seeps into journalist positions. Granted, I don't think the left is going to completely depart from video gaming. In fact, I think most people won't leave during GG; it seems like the left is a permanent fixture in gaming now. But we should be wary of the fact that many people are being weakened and worn down. Even if you despise what they're doing, they're someone we have experience working/fighting with. We don't know what kind of wildcard will crop up if the right wing takes a huge hold onto gaming.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if right-wingers can take a hold in gaming like that though. The gaming community is tendentiously a bit left-leaning after all, possibly because we tend to be more globally connected than other demographics.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;45893520]I'm not sure if right-wingers can take a hold in gaming like that though. The gaming community is tendentiously a bit left-leaning after all, possibly because we tend to be more globally connected than other demographics.[/QUOTE]That and gaming has always been one of those more alternative activities that major conservatives tend to frown on and not understand. And people will quickly pick up on it when they arrive and immediately ridicule them out of the field.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45893479]Its not really about cleansing the ranks or anything. We just don't have to own them and make them a part of it. They can continue to make their own statements, get in to their own arguments, tweet whatever they want. But we don't have to make them a part of what we're doing. They don't have to be part of our discussions.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's where most movements lose. It's not about the movement itself. It's about the public. If public view places these guys in the same boat as us, that's it, we're in the same boat and there's no going around that. I don't know if Baldwin actually intends to push it yet, he might or he might not. But something has to be done to have the movement prepared. IA might just be the person to understand, can someone reach out somehow? If it was as simple as ignoring them, I wouldn't say I fear for the worst, I'm not the kinda guy to panic. If anything, I'm over-enthusiastic more often then not.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893168]Big nail on the head IMO. Be wary of people on the far right.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I'm not using them really. I avoid using them, I find their moves humorous but I don't want them getting too involved. [editline]4th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Tamschi;45893520]I'm not sure if right-wingers can take a hold in gaming like that though. The gaming community is tendentiously a bit left-leaning after all, possibly because we tend to be more globally connected than other demographics.[/QUOTE] All of the shit we've recieved is from both sides of the isle, but leans heavily on the Republican side. They won't get far, unless they pull political wizardry.

Someone is actively spamming nude photos of Zoe, and there's more and more actual harassment appearing towards her that is not being deleted. (If she hadn't deleted the first instances of harassment, maybe it would've been easier to believe her from the get-go, but that's just a sidenote, doesn't matter now) I think we are riding a train that's about to derail and crash in the most violent way possible, with no people left unharmed.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;45893520]I'm not sure if right-wingers can take a hold in gaming like that though. The gaming community is tendentiously a bit left-leaning after all, possibly because we tend to be more globally connected than other demographics.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Gaming is extremely diverse, and there are actually a lot of social conservatives in gaming. Hell, we even see them relatively frequently on here, what with how many race discussions, transgender discussions, gender discussions, and socio-economic discussions are treated. It just depends what community you go to, and what the climate is there. A lot of war sim communities, for instance, have sizable right-wing bases. Doesn't mean those people tread on the party line, nor does it mean war sim communities think George W. Bush was the 2nd coming of Christ. But it DOES mean that the right has a substantial presence in certain parts of video gaming, that can be mobilized if properly accessed by journalists.

[QUOTE=Reimu;45893359]Agreed. I can see a huge conservative focus dominating gaming journalism if a lot of people on the left leave, and the right seeps into journalist positions. Granted, I don't think the left is going to completely depart from video gaming. In fact, I think most people won't leave during GG; it seems like the left is a permanent fixture in gaming now. But we should be wary of the fact that many people are being weakened and worn down. Even if you despise what they're doing, they're someone we have experience working/fighting with. We don't know what kind of wildcard will crop up if the right wing takes a huge hold onto gaming.[/QUOTE] To be honest, the other article about the death of gaming journalism would lend its creed that gaming would become an international thing. Most of the time TB and PewDiePie don't even mention politics, unless TB wants to insult a bit and then move on. A lot of the people gamers turn to avoid politics at all costs when it comes to reviews and critiques and instead focuses on the business politics between developers and publishers and the like.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45893591]Someone is actively spamming nude photos of Zoe, and there's more and more actual harassment appearing towards her that is not being deleted. (If she hadn't deleted the first instances of harassment, maybe it would've been easier to believe her from the get-go, but that's just a sidenote, doesn't matter now) I think we are riding a train that's about to derail and crash in the most violent way possible, with no people left unharmed.[/QUOTE] If any of you see this happen, you should report it. Morally, it's wrong. And it only works to agitate the situation further.

Yeah, report that shit immediatly and if you're /v/, get their attention to stop what's happening.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;45893449]I love this scene but it's even better in context because you don't see it coming. [sp]I starts out funny because they are joking around and making a bet, but then gradually changes into extremely well-executed cringe-worthiness that is even worse in hindsight because the cringy parts stay in memory longer. Then there's (iirc) an awkward pause after they are interrupted and then they top it off with an incredibly silly visual joke to clear the slate again.[/sp] Nisio Isin and Shaft are an amazing combination :dance:[/QUOTE] i never watched any of the whateverthefuck-garti shit because it looks like "guy meets a bunch of weird girls he wants to fuck: the anime" if im wrong let me know because the artstyle looks kinda cool [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gFw59Sq.jpg[/IMG] [editline]4th September 2014[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OMsJPmt.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;45893627][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gFw59Sq.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Man that's gotta be the stupidest form of rhetoric I've ever seen. "You know who wasn't a social justice warrior? Hitler. You don't want to become Hitler do you?" Is this shit satire or something?

[B]OH SHIT.[/B]

[QUOTE=_Axel;45893657]Man that's gotta be the stupidest form of rhetoric I've ever seen. "You know who wasn't a social justice warrior? Hitler. You don't want to become Hitler do you?" Is this shit satire or something?[/QUOTE] [img]http://digitalpostercollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/When-you-ride-Alone-you-ride-with-Hitler.jpg[/img]

Honestly, the journalists aren't even worth it anymore. What essentially got me to actually care about this was the fact that the Indie Games Festival could possibly be rigged, and I think that is the much greater issue to investigate right now.

We should start a campaign to email IGF sponsors to pull support until the IGF is properly investigated and gives some transparency about the award process.