Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Wii60;46581921][url]https://archive.today/1L6nR[/url] one month later [url]https://archive.today/Sn9hC[/url] lol[/QUOTE] Oh the fucking irony......the sweet delicious irony.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46581955]oh hi [url]https://medium.com/@cainejw/dishonesty-feminist-frequency-part-2-damsels-in-distress-pt-2-fde349026b7d[/url][/QUOTE] These have definitely been the most enjoyable part of this controversy for me. See I actually really support discussion of gender roles in games but I always felt that feminist frequency's attempt at it was academically unsound There is one thing that I did note - the author made no mention of the number of domestic abuse cases that go unreported on a year-to-year basis. As far as I know, statistically speaking the majority of women who are being domestically abused do not report these cases to the police and they go unrecorded on the FBI records. However significant evidence exists as many charities and social work groups record these statistics - as women are more likely to go to a community support group about these issues before the police. Even a simple google search shows various reports on this and they weren't considered. Domestic violence is a major epidemic and I think it was marginalised in his essay and not really relevant to the points he was trying to make anyway. The graphs showing a correlation between video game sales and domestic violence was pretty great though. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] I sort of want to email him about it and critique him but I doubt it would find its way through all the hatemail he is probably getting

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46582942]Here is an interesting Idea that trainwreck of a blocklist IGDA attempted to legitimize had a lot of indie devs on it,perhaps some of them were not picked up by that code that was written to make the blocklist but were put there manually to sabotage their careers.seeing as we apparently have the code is there a way to verify this by comparing their list to one we make?[/QUOTE] Considering we have the code already it would be easy enough. You simply generate the list the same way she has and then write code to go through the old list and compare it to the new one. Anytime something doesn't show up on the new list just flag it. Would be pretty simple to do for anyone who can work python.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;46583403]These have definitely been the most enjoyable part of this controversy for me. See I actually really support discussion of gender roles in games but I always felt that feminist frequency's attempt at it was academically unsound There is one thing that I did note - the author made no mention of the number of domestic abuse cases that go unreported on a year-to-year basis. As far as I know, statistically speaking the majority of women who are being domestically abused do not report these cases to the police and they go unrecorded on the FBI records. However significant evidence exists as many charities and social work groups record these statistics - as women are more likely to go to a community support group about these issues before the police. Even a simple google search shows various reports on this and they weren't considered. Domestic violence is a major epidemic and I think it was marginalised in his essay and not really relevant to the points he was trying to make anyway. The graphs showing a correlation between video game sales and domestic violence was pretty great though. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] I sort of want to email him about it and critique him but I doubt it would find its way through all the hatemail he is probably getting[/QUOTE] goto reddit or 8chan gg and post it in the thread comments.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;46583510]Considering we have the code already it would be easy enough. You simply generate the list the same way she has and then write code to go through the old list and compare it to the new one. Anytime something doesn't show up on the new list just flag it. Would be pretty simple to do for anyone who can work python.[/QUOTE] Thats why i was bringing it up myself I cant work Python so I was defering to the more knowledgeable people.

I'm getting unconfirmed reports that Roberto Rosario and his family just got doxxed, does anyone know about this?

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46583709]I'm getting unconfirmed reports that Roberto Rosario and his family just got doxxed, does anyone know about this?[/QUOTE] That would be fucking insane since he's the head of IGDA Puerto Rico. If so I hope IGDA realizes what bedfellows they've chosen.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46583759]That would be fucking insane since he's the head of IGDA Puerto Rico. If so I hope IGDA realizes what bedfellows they've chosen.[/QUOTE] They dont care, the ends always justify the means for them.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46583759]That would be fucking insane since he's the head of IGDA Puerto Rico. If so I hope IGDA realizes what bedfellows they've chosen.[/QUOTE] They've known since fish was given the golden dish. They're a junior high social club, not a trusteed and vetted body of archivists.

drama lama [url]http://revuelabs.com/2014/11/27/follow-the-money-find-the-story-steve-tom-sawyer/[/url] [url]http://theralphretort.com/serious-allegations-made-carbon-based-radios-steve-tom-sawyer/[/url]

The people behind defense grid 2 (the same dev company behind part of the CS:GO development)used techraptor as a quote on the sale page [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9pGPEwi.png[/IMG] For those unknown to techraptor, it was a game journalism site that joined GG early and got famous due to it (they got DDOS'd, forced to move servers, etc.)

[QUOTE=Wii60;46584467]The people behind defense grid 2 (the same dev company behind part of the CS:GO development)used techraptor as a quote on the sale page [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9pGPEwi.png[/IMG] For those unknown to techraptor, it was a game journalism site that joined GG early and got famous due to it (they got DDOS'd, forced to move servers, etc.)[/QUOTE] 505 Games published DG2 so they probably picked the quote to use on the marketing material.

[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ngoou/antigamergate_trying_to_drive_jen_dawe_out_of/[/url] This is getting a lot of upvotes and it's starting to bother me. Consider the fact that, as of writing, another thread is up titled "A handy little image showing some alternatives to Raspberry PI [...]". I have to ask: Why is it acceptable for some GG supporters to refuse to support an organization based on views, while some potentially anti-GG folks are doing the same? It just seems like a double standard. Help? [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/0/d/confuoot.001.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;46584779]Consider the fact that, as of writing, another thread is up titled "A handy little image showing some alternatives to Raspberry PI [...]". I have to ask: Why is it acceptable for some GG supporters to refuse to support an organization based on views, while some potentially anti-GG folks are doing the same? It just seems like a double standard. Help? [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/0/d/confuoot.001.gif[/img][/QUOTE] Because Raspberry Pi is doing a PR shitfest. They adopted the blocklist and are banning everyone complaining in the forum.

100% Verified: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2njgyj/important_ftc_update_2_yes_the_ftc_is_going_to/[/url] [QUOTE]I had posted emails the other day from the Federal Trade Communication confirming that the complaints of Operation UV were heard and are going to be addressed by the FTC in the near future. See the original post here: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2nb3hw/important_update_the_ftc_heard_our_complaints/[/url][1] Specifically, Operation UV was launched with the aim of alerting the FTC about the embedding of undisclosed, for-profit affiliate links (like Amazon Associates) into many of Gawker Media's and presumably other website's product reviews, news articles, reader comments and Tweets. These undisclosed affiliate links create a conflict of interest because the reviewing site profits when their readers purchase the product. Operation UV has clearly been successful by any reasonable measure. And it is a big victory not just for GamerGate, but for anyone concerned about the declining ethical standards of modern journalism. However, many of our friends on the other side of the debate were quick to dismiss these emails for the following reasons: 1) They said the upcoming FTC revisions are about YouTube endorsement deals only, which isn't what Operation UV was complaining about. 2) And that Gamasutra was writing about this subject (YouTube endorsements) months ago. 3) So not only are we delusional, but we are stealing credit from Gamasutra. I personally think this is a willful misreading of the original emails. However, in order to verify that the claims made were true, I re-emailed the FTC. Here are the (redacted) emails: From: [redacted] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 04:28 PM *To: [redacted] * *Subject: Fw: Operation Full Disclosure question * [QUOTE][To redacted] I'm sorry to bother you yet again. I know you have already provided me with a great deal of your time. However, if possible, I wanted some clarification: will the new FTC guidelines include clarification, guidance or new information for websites about disclosure when embedding for-profit affiliate links (such as Amazon Associates) in things like product reviews, news articles, user comments and Tweets? I ask because this was the primary concern of the particular group of consumers I was working with. I understand that You Tube personalities will receive further clarification in regards to endorsement deals which is also an important matter. But we were looking specifically to get further guidance about embedded (and undisclosed) for-profit affiliate links in things like reviews, news articles and Tweets specifically. Again, I apologize for intruding on your time again and thank you for any help you can provide..[/QUOTE] And here is the response: [QUOTE]On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:47 PM, [redacted]@ftc.gov> wrote: Yes -- We are updating our FAQs to address a variety of different scenarios that we've gotten questions about, and affiliate links are one of those issues. Note we are not issuing new guidelines; the current Endorsement Guides will remain in effect. We are simply adding FAQs to address the application of the Endorsement Guides (and Section 5 of the FTC Act) to different scenarios, including affiliate links. On a related note, I hope you saw yesterday's announcement of our action against Sony's ad agency Deutsch LA for its use of deceptive tweets (employees tweeted favorably about Sony PS Vita w/o disclosing they worked for Deutsch/Sony).[/QUOTE] Please note the original email was specific about undisclosed, embedded affiliate links (what Operation UV is complaining about). Please also note that the response affirms that this specific issue will now be addressed in the FTC changes. [B] To summarize: 1) Gamasutra - to their credit - was writing stories about YouTube personalities and their need to disclose endorsements earlier this year. 2) They did not write about undisclosed, embedded affiliate links in products reviews, news articles, user comments and Tweets. 3) I have been unable to find anything about this specific subject in any major tech or video game site in the past year. 4) I have also not been able to find any major consumer group who seems to be complaining about this specific issue. 5) GamerGate is the only group of people who have been actively and vigorously petitioning the FTC to address this specific subject (through Operation UV). 6) The FTC is now going to address this specific subject. 7) It is reasonable to conclude that the mass emails and complaints to the FTC by fed-up consumers organized under the #GamerGate hashtag played an instrumental role in bringing this practice to the active attention of the FTC.[/B] GamerGate was and always will be a consumer revolt against unethical journalistic practices such as undisclosed financial ties, cronyism, media blackouts and attempts at using the media to enforce cultural censorship. And, at this point, it is simply dishonest to not credit GamerGate with playing a key role in making a lasting, positive change to online media standards. Note: I am sending copies of these emails to the mods for verification. I have already forwarded the emails to William Usher. Also, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in the United States. I am certainly thankful that the FTC recognizes shoddy journalistic practices when they see them. Edit: Emails verified by William Usher. Thank you. [url]https://twitter.com/WilliamUsherGB/status/537785896612163584?lang=en[/url][2] Edit 2: Verified by the mods as well. Thank you too. Also, to be clear, as I said in my first post: I know of no past or ongoing investigation specifically into Gawker Media. These clarifications by the FTC are industry-wide and they are adopting the carrot (not the stick) approach. I believe that the FTC always tries to give people the chance to clean up their act first.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46584910]100% Verified: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2njgyj/important_ftc_update_2_yes_the_ftc_is_going_to/[/url][/QUOTE] Fucking A! I'm delighted to hear this.

So what does this mean. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Redswandir;46574249]the best part about that whole "review" or what the fuck ever is that it's not really even right all I know about Far Cry 4 is basically the main plot, of which (serious spoilers, if the words "main plot" didn't give that away) [sp]the "bad guy" Pagan is actually doing this for revenge over your mother's ashes, at the end the terrorists win and you piss the USA off, female terrorist turns the country into a drug country and makes tons of child soldiers and sends them off to fight, male terrorist executes a whole lot of people and brings the country back to it's old roots. either way the whole place ends up being pretty fucked since you messed everything up oh yeah, clearly these are great people to compare to social justice and equality [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]So Pangan is actually the good guy? Awesome.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Xonax;46584985][sp]So Pangan is actually the good guy? Awesome.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Not really. He's still definitely terrible, but he is sympathetic. There are like two or three people in the whole game you could consider good.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Xonax;46584985]So what does this mean. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [sp]So Pangan is actually the good guy? Awesome.[/sp][/QUOTE] Is he the guy on the cover? If so he's kinda(?) good because [sp]he actually offers you the chance to do exactly what you set out to do so you can end the game in 15 minutes[/sp]. In my opinion that makes him kinda good, at least. :v:

did anyone see this/can verify its reliability? [url]http://theralphretort.com/anita-sarkeesian-thought-fraud/[/url] Apparently she used to coordinate seminars for male pickup artists similar to julien blanc

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46576379]To add on to that, the term was inspired by this webcomic, which was written in response to GG'ers having a tendency to pop up whenever someone tweets something negative about GG: [IMG]http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] This reminds me of that screencap of that woman on facebook complaining about people intruding her privacy by commenting on a post on her public wall

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;46576379] [IMG]http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] "My attitude towards sea lions comes from a purely subjective standpoint that is not based on any factual evidence and therefore about as meaningful as a fart." Boom, case closed.

What's #OpSkyNet?

[QUOTE=Xonax;46585947]What's #OpSkyNet?[/QUOTE] Just a way for Twitter peeps to connect and find out who else supports GG

Posted earlier - but showing later tweets for hypocrisy [quote][url]http://i.imgur.com/82IJYc9.png[/url][/quote] The double standards are painful.

In regards of Far Cry 4, I don't think the writer was actually trying to push the feminist agenda for the simple reason that if he was, he's done a godawful job. On the other hand he perfectly shows the mentality of your average radical feminist: she might have some good points, but uses sexism as a scapegoat to dismiss any criticism I've made a quick video of a scene which I found was particularly relevant and sounded uncannily familiar [url]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102775431/farcry4fm.mp4[/url] For the record, I'm still relatively early in the game but I have yet to see a cutscene where amita doesn't complain about sexism. It's THAT hamhanded

[QUOTE=killerteacup;46585328]did anyone see this/can verify its reliability? [URL]http://theralphretort.com/anita-sarkeesian-thought-fraud/[/URL] Apparently she used to coordinate seminars for male pickup artists similar to julien blanc[/QUOTE] Completely unreliable, mostly conspiracy theory stuff in there. [QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46586105]In regards of Far Cry 4, I don't think the writer was actually trying to push the feminist agenda for the simple reason that if he was, he's done a godawful job. On the other hand he perfectly shows the mentality of your average radical feminist: she might have some good points, but uses sexism as a scapegoat to dismiss any criticism I've made a quick video of a scene which I found was particularly relevant and sounded uncannily familiar [url]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/102775431/farcry4fm.mp4[/url] For the record, I'm still relatively early in the game but I have yet to see a cutscene where amita doesn't complain about sexism. It's THAT hamhanded[/QUOTE] I played Farcry 4, I don't think it was meant to be feminist in nature at all, it was just a character, not meant to send out any political message to stuff happening now.

[QUOTE=Ithon;46584348]drama lama [url]http://revuelabs.com/2014/11/27/follow-the-money-find-the-story-steve-tom-sawyer/[/url] [url]http://theralphretort.com/serious-allegations-made-carbon-based-radios-steve-tom-sawyer/[/url][/QUOTE] Let's see what happens. Unfortunately Indiegogo channels the money directly to the campaigner's Paypal account once the funding is reached/if it's flexible funding. The legality of chargebacks is slightly shady, but since we assume he made some false pretenses they'd likely go through if people decided to do it (and if the system allows it). I'd probably do it but I didn't fund it because the campaign was super shady from the get-go. 4000$ is definitely far too little to produce a show like this properly, with the episode count mentioned. At least if more than one person is working on it. Paypal also has chargeback fees iirc, which could be quite nasty if people decided to do it. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=killerteacup;46585328]did anyone see this/can verify its reliability? [url]http://theralphretort.com/anita-sarkeesian-thought-fraud/[/url] Apparently she used to coordinate seminars for male pickup artists similar to julien blanc[/QUOTE] Unlike the tabloid garbage that is The Ralph Retort, the [URL="http://guardianlv.com/2014/11/anita-sarkeesian-unmasked-feminist-icon-or-con-artist/"]original source[/URL] is full of evidence. [editline]27th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46586100]Posted earlier - but showing later tweets for hypocrisy The double standards are painful.[/QUOTE] On that note: I'm completely sure the downvote button on Greenlight is a placebo. It was added later after people complained they couldn't do that, and commercially it makes no sense whatsoever to count downvotes or vote ratios. The best predictor of commercial success (at least by common sense) is the number of upvotes, probably followed by the number of total votes. A game that gets ridiculous amounts of negative press is still more likely to succeed than a game that gets no press at all, considering how flooded the market is.

[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=340877105[/url] Seedscape got greenlit. If their point was to harm the dev then they failed lol.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46586105][...] For the record, I'm still relatively early in the game but I have yet to see a cutscene where amita doesn't complain about sexism. It's THAT hamhanded[/QUOTE] Whatever happened to subtlety. Actually I think I know what happened: Since they want to please everyone, they throw every bit of intellectually challenging content out of the window early in development. The best works of fiction I've ever seen were those that didn't compromise quality for "reach", mostly because if you do that you lose mystery and without mystery it becomes difficult to effectively build tension or immerse the reader/viewer/player. If it's important to get the correct message across then I don't mind if the work is very clear about it [I]after[/I] giving the audience a chance to realise it by themselves. The Monogatari series is an excellent example of that kind of storytelling and the Discworld novels also use this kind of structure fairly often, but to a lesser extent.