Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.
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I guess that's a strength of gg people or people who lean towards it, not being reliant on people like IA and becoming their weapon (just like fucking AGG).
So IA, get gone and stay gone.
i think we are doing what IA says he wanted us to do, we just took a slowed paced better results path than the fast quick attack path like he wanted.
[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46599798]InternetAristocrat explains his absence & thoughts on current GG: [url]http://vocaroo.com/i/s1p1NnKWYTlr[/url]
Seems like he is mad cause GG didn't do things the way he wanted them to do it :v:[/QUOTE]
Well that's actually a healthy result tbh. He had some common grounds with GG, now it's obvious that it's no longer the case, so he and GG parted ways.
I really see nothing wrong with that, if anything, it's pretty good decision. Instead of actively trying to hijack the thing, he promptly fucked off on his own.
[sp]and I agree with him on part that all of those 'anti-harassment' patrols, finding out and trying to combat the agg harassment and stuff wasn't necessary. It only served to closer tie gg to harassment. The issue should've been ignored outright as deflection. "We do not harass, we condemn harassment, period. Stop trying to bullshit your way out"[/sp]
if anyone has freebsdgirl stuff, send it to
[url]https://twitter.com/BJWhittemore/status/538773701949272064[/url]
[QUOTE=Wii60;46598799][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vQvkAcn.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Won't work. There's no way they can ban even half of Gamergate without shutting out almost all of their users.
Even if they suddenly turned into China, that kind of censorship is still not enough to stop social media movements.
Why are some people calling Randi Hamburger "Literally Blue"? She gave herself that nickname for attention, so she could be one of the literally oppressed. She's actively
inserting herself into the GG like Wu.
Kind of funny how when we start calling the LWs by LW to take attention off of them to so they can't claim we sent people to harass them, they then brand themselves with it.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46601746]Why are some people calling Randi Hamburger "Literally Blue"? She gave herself that nickname for attention, so she could be one of the literally oppressed. She's actively
inserting herself into the GG like Wu.
Kind of funny how when we start calling the LWs by LW to take attention off of them to so they can't claim we sent people to harass them, they then brand themselves with it.[/QUOTE]
thats why people are calling them mojo jojo now
no numbers or variations, all of them called mojo jojo
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46601746]Why are some people calling Randi Hamburger "Literally Blue"? She gave herself that nickname for attention, so she could be one of the literally oppressed. She's actively
inserting herself into the GG like Wu.
Kind of funny how when we start calling the LWs by LW to take attention off of them to so they can't claim we sent people to harass them, they then brand themselves with it.[/QUOTE]I've been saying this for a while now.
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[QUOTE=Wii60;46601867]thats why people are calling them mojo jojo now
no numbers or variations, all of them called mojo jojo[/QUOTE]I've seen that like twice as more of a joke than anything.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46601746]Why are some people calling Randi Hamburger "Literally Blue"? She gave herself that nickname for attention, so she could be one of the literally oppressed. She's actively
inserting herself into the GG like Wu.
Kind of funny how when we start calling the LWs by LW to take attention off of them to so they can't claim we sent people to harass them, they then brand themselves with it.[/QUOTE]
They crave just about any attention. There's constantly this "oh no you used the hashtag that brings dogpiling, blocked" shit going on, they're basically asking for it openly, please come and say something so I will claim harassment because someone disagreed with me publicly. And no dogpiling ever happens, they actually have to go out of their way to invent harassment out of thin air, fucking lie about it and make shit up.
That's precisely why #gg never should've formed these 'patrols', fighting harassment, because none occurs. GG is not a harassment movement not because gg-ers 'fight it', 'condemn it' or something, it simply is not, there's no evidence that it is, that it ever was. By soaking up all the stupid baseless accusations, fucking bowing down to it #gg will eventually just kill itself. Not right-wingers, not radicals, nothing of the sort.
[QUOTE=gudman;46601877]
That's precisely why #gg never should've formed these 'patrols', fighting harassment, because none occurs. GG is not a harassment movement not because gg-ers 'fight it', 'condemn it' or something, it simply is not, there's no evidence that it is, that it ever was. By soaking up all the stupid baseless accusations, fucking bowing down to it #gg will eventually just kill itself. Not right-wingers, not radicals, nothing of the sort.[/QUOTE]
Gamersgate is consumer movement about protecting their identity and preventing corrupt individuals or companies from using biased authors or articles. You have to realize that those people who preform those baseless accusations become irrelevant within 2 months, Look at Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu. The same could be said for them - the more they harass their own people the more they are going to shutdown their own movement.
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From Ryulong's talk page : "It's only a problem when media catches hold of it."
[quote]Hey there, just wanted to discuss this with you one-on-one in a less drama-laden place. My issue isn't the $350 one-time donation, but the fact that that subreddit has continued to promote the GoFundme campaign. I don't think your edits themselves are problematic, [B]but I don't want some journalist catching wind of a "paid editing" scandal and running with it either.[/B] But I also don't want to create unnecessary drama on-wiki either.[/quote]
Statistics state that over 6 confirmed swattings, 1 fire truck calling (??) on the Gamersgate side have taken place - ZERO have taken place on anti side. (PERSONAL RESEARCH.)
HuffpostUK attempts to incite "the worst of gamersgate" - recieves only positive tweets from them instead. (They deleted the tweet and replaced it with this.)
[URL]https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKTech/status/538355056593362944[/URL]
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46602018]Gamersgate is consumer movement about protecting their identity and preventing corrupt individuals or companies from using biased authors or articles. You have to realize that those people who preform those baseless accusations become irrelevant within 2 months, Look at Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu. The same could be said for them - the more they harass their own people the more they are going to shutdown their own movement.
[/QUOTE]
Well you're quite right, these lying scumbags fall out of attention pretty fast, so why even waste any effort at all defending against their stupid bullshit. If no attention is given back, in the form of "we're not harassers guys, look at how we fight harassment, Wu is wrong!", they would fall even faster.
And they have no movement to begin with. Anti-gg is no movement, it's aggressive backlash of the people who feel threatened by consumers attempting to finally take a look under their blankets, only to discover something less than pleasant in there.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46602018]From Ryulong's talk page : "It's only a problem when media catches hold of it."
Statistics state that over 6 confirmed swattings, 1 fire truck calling (??) on the Gamersgate side have taken place - ZERO have taken place on anti side. (will source in a moment)
HuffpostUK attempts to incite "the worst of gamersgate" - recieves only positive tweets from them instead. (They deleted the tweet and replaced it with this.)
[URL]https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKTech/status/538355056593362944[/URL][/QUOTE]
The admin who wrote that is answering questions here right now, it's pretty interesting: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ns487/ryulong_a_wikipedia_admin_says_hes_only_afraid_of/[/url]
Search for "Wordsmithwiki"
That article is hilarios.
If you read it they almost immediatly preface it with, "They're better at making games when they environment is built for women."
[B]No shit sperglords.[/B] If you build something to let women outperform men at the start its gonna do exactly that.
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This is also Primary and Secondary schools, where girls have the largest advantage when it comes to teaching, resources and attention. They're doing better on average because no one wants to give boys the time of day to improve their scores and work on making environments for them.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46602018][...]
HuffpostUK attempts to incite "the worst of gamersgate" - recieves only positive tweets from them instead. (They deleted the tweet and replaced it with this.)
[URL]https://twitter.com/HuffPostUKTech/status/538355056593362944[/URL][/QUOTE]
Nice :dance:
They also edited the article to remove mentions of Gamergate and changed the title to not misrepresent the research cited. Twitter just isn't showing the update it seems.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;46603095]Nice :dance:
They also edited the article to remove mentions of Gamergate and changed the title to not misrepresent the research cited. Twitter just isn't showing the update it seems.[/QUOTE]
More proof that Twitter is a shitty place for discussion.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46602840]The admin who wrote that is answering questions here right now, it's pretty interesting: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ns487/ryulong_a_wikipedia_admin_says_hes_only_afraid_of/[/url]
Search for "Wordsmithwiki"[/QUOTE]
the original statement out of context looks bad but now that he's explained himself it actually makes sense. that he wants to close up the loophole that let ryulong get money is even better, too.
hell, he actually seems to have a good handle on ethics
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46597964]I posted a picture of my 142 copy, I swear I have 153 but I don't know where it is. If there's ever any need for EGM, PC Gamer, XBN, and OXM mags to be perused, though, i'm ready. i have atleast 100 issues of each
[editline]28th November 2014[/editline]
now my room's floor is covered in ancient magazines and i'm seeing so many games i completely forgot about[/QUOTE]
You should find the issue where Dan Hsu tells half the EGM readership they're wrong.
Monitoring the arbitration evidence page, here all argument titles posted, with shortened versions of their contents:
[B]For:[/B]
[quote]
[B]Ownership and refusal for consensus development- Masem[/B]
Pro-GG editors who have been here for years think they own the article and refuse to allow other editors in
[B]Editors are recieving payment for article edits - Multiple[/B]
Anti-gg editors are receiving pay for editing the article.
[B]Article is heavily biased - Multiple[/B]
The famous one.
[/quote]
[B]Neutral[/B]
[quote][B]Involved editors have been targets of deliberate harassment - TstormCandy[/B]
States that editors involved have been "targeted" by harassment and are what influencing their actions, however "does not excuse their behavior."
[B]There has been no lack of discussion or failure to engage - Multiple[/B]
Both will say that the opposing parties are guilty of this.
[B]Comments and actions bringing Wikipedia into disrepute - Starship.paint[/B]
Editors are being very public on twitter and forums and being heavily influenced by outside sources.
[B]Off-wiki collaborating is disrupting the Encyclopedia - - TstormCandy
[/B]Both sides are collaborating outside wikipedia to attack it.
[/quote]
[B]Against[/B]
[quote][B]Gamergate supporters have attempted to use Wikipedia as a platform to attack their opponents - NorthBySouthBaranof[/B]
Gamersgater's use the Wikipedia article as a platform to attack people..?
[B]Gamergate supporters have attempted to present false allegations as true or debatable[/B] - Multiple
Basically the idea the corruption allegations are "proven false" by news outlets.
[B]Gamergate supporters have targeted long-term editors who attempted to deal with these issues - - NorthBySouthBaranof[/B]
In contrast to [I]Ownership and refusal for consensus cevelopment[/I], long-term editors have a "right to be more trustworthy then new users."
[B]Community processes have not found the article to be biased- Multiple[/B]
The long-term editors have decided they are [I]not[/I] biased!
[B]Editors that use archive.today links are heavily involved in gamersgate[/B]
Title speaks for itself?
[/quote]
Formulate your own opinion.
[QUOTE=27X;46603432]You should find the issue where Dan Hsu tells half the EGM readership they're wrong.[/QUOTE]
if you can remember around which year it is i can dig through them
Tear the article down and leave a note stating the dissapointment in an encyclopdia incapable of being unbiased.
didn't find the editorial hsu put out saying that the readership was wrong, but i did find this interesting editorial
[t]http://i.imgur.com/z9AqDi4.jpeg[/t]
EGM #119 January 2006
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you know, this makes me wonder where hsu stands on gamergate, if he has an opinion at all
[url]https://twitter.com/DanShoeHsu/status/529301143281627137[/url]
Shoe might have a very slanted opinion, as both his mentors, Salvatore and Davison have a rather dim view of #GG.
Personal friends with Geoff Keighley and Tim Schafer, retweets a shirt from prez of Bioware comparing ethics to dysentery.
Don't think you need anymore hints what his opinion is.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46603349]IA is kind of a fucking moron.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I really didn't like his views on extremism. I really don't think you can fight extremism with extremism. At the very best possible scenario, you end up switching the cause of a problem but never the actual problem.
I still appreciate his work on tumblr things, though, because I think it's important to call out people who are encouraging schizophrenics to think it's really the voice of God in their head and stuff. However, I've always thought it was a bit mean in his approaches.
I did something to moral boost some FP players for here and Christmas.
I can be payed back a little, but lets just say can someone point me to the artists who drew for the tfyc FP submission.
[QUOTE=Ayane-152;46599798]InternetAristocrat explains his absence & thoughts on current GG: [url]http://vocaroo.com/i/s1p1NnKWYTlr[/url]
Seems like he is mad cause GG didn't do things the way he wanted them to do it :v:[/QUOTE]
I really don't get it. He said that he didn't want to be a gamergate leader, but then he ends up leaving because people didn't do what he wanted them to do? It seems like self-hatred to me.
But whatever. It sucks that he's out of the picture. He was seriously amazing at what he did. If he ever wanted to come back, I'm sure he'd be greeted with open arms.
[QUOTE=Thlis;46604568][URL]https://archive.today/YzXze[/URL]
[url]http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/11/gamergate-your-check-from-a-publisher-is-in-the-mail-states-gjp-thread/[/url]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fvd6DxG.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Did he even try with that censoring.
You can read those addresses.
Well, one of them at least.
[QUOTE=Pteradactyl;46604973] If he ever wanted to come back, I'm sure he'd be greeted with open arms.[/QUOTE]
If KingofPol dropping his spaghetti is anything to go by, I doubt IA will be welcomed back. He kinda shot his credibility down
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