Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Quinn made something: [URL="https://archive.today/bdxqe"]Let’s Talk About Ethics In Games Journalism![/URL] I didn't read it too thoroughly, but from what I can tell she stretches the definition of unethical journalism to smear a few sites and then calls for blacklisting them.

oh boy so sarkeesians' got a new video oh tim schafer oh how the gods have fallen

Might be old, but, DSP of all people, making sense, about deaththreats and others. [video=youtube;tk1FMam9yiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk1FMam9yiY&t=50m29s[/video] starts at 50:29

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46624622]oh boy so sarkeesians' got a new video oh tim schafer oh how the gods have fallen[/QUOTE] [quote]25. Because it was created by a straight white man, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.[/quote]:suicide:

the grand irony is that being written by McIntosh, I couldn't take it any less seriously.

[QUOTE=ZuXer;46624641]Might be old, but, DSP of all people, making sense, about deaththreats and others. [video=youtube;tk1FMam9yiY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk1FMam9yiY&t=50m29s[/video] starts at 50:29[/QUOTE] His "not by problem, won't do research" gender issues stance and calling for people to not use hashtags though :rolleyes:

Evidence article on wikipedia heats up as arbitration accuses anti-gg of using "buzzwords" and "all sides have long-term editors who are involved in the situation." Most likely case is, it will be rewritten by a completely uninvolved wikiproject. Also some doxxing done on the page, done by both "gg" and "anti-gg" It's becoming blatantly obvious that the editors on both sides are way too heavily involved into the page for reasons beyond making wikipedia more neutral - but rather to push their own political ends. Example user with 13% of all edits : [URL]http://tweetsave.com/tarc0917[/URL] [editline]a[/editline] Jim Sterling being a total hypocrite. [B]BEFORE:[/B] [IMG]http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/jimmmmmmm.jpg[/IMG] [B]AFTER: [/B] [URL]https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/539819026466471936[/URL] [editline]a[/editline] GamePolitics apologizes to Stardock (A little earlier but now relevant.) [URL]http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/11/11/long-overdue-correction-and-apology-brad-wardell#.VH6A9THF_h7[/URL] [editline]b[/editline] AMA going on on reddit by a games media watchdog project leader, aimed at consumer rights for viewers of games media. [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2o439r/im_lee_aka_demisaysstuff_founder_of_the_sentinel/[/url]

You realize Jim said that almost four years ago, right?

i liked it when video games were about playing video games, not huge controversies about ethics and stuff

[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;46625773]i liked it when video games were about playing video games, not huge controversies about ethics and stuff[/QUOTE] You say it like people stopped talking about having fun with video games at some point.

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46625730]You realize Jim said that almost four years ago, right?[/QUOTE] Still rather relevant. Sterling claims to be an adamantium mountain in regards to his beliefs, his history shows he will waffle or reverse at any opportunity. Is this someone you can trust to stand as advocate of what is right? His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46625939]You say it like people stopped talking about having fun with video games at some point.[/QUOTE] It can head that direction. There's a distinct reason places like CGhub and VA make you check your politics and religion at the door, and it's a good reason.

[QUOTE=27X;46626089]His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either.[/QUOTE] I was fucking floored when he made that elevator tweet. I held out for Jim for a long time and that just blew me the fuck away.

[QUOTE=27X;46626089] His "all heterosexual men are inherently rapey" stance probably isn't helping either. [/QUOTE] ...What? When did this become a thing?

[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;46626182]...What? When did this become a thing?[/QUOTE] referring to this tweet of his [img]http://i.imgur.com/zjENFZB.jpg[/img]

jim sterling has and always will be a fucking douche. I used to think TB was bad, but sterling a whole other level of fucking awfulness.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46626212]referring to this tweet of his [/QUOTE] Oh, so it's just another 3 year old tweet. I thought it was something recent and relevant.

Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant

[QUOTE=Matrix374;46626408]Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant[/QUOTE] so Jim is the anti TB?

Honestly Jim's stupid tweets don't bother me so much as how his show has this subtle pro-media stance that nobody ever calls him out on. Jim will go off at just about any developer but the press always gets off the hook.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;46626408]Reminder:TB was a bit of an asshole too 3-4 years ago. Unless he posts something like that again,I dont think any of that is relevant[/QUOTE] TB didn't claim to be playing a character who's actually still him without any decor, he admitted posting pretty much anything during his manic phases was probably a bad idea. (and it was, for the most part)

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[QUOTE=Wormy;46626882]Hopefully I can ask about this in this thread even though it is more about corruption in game journalism, if not then I'm sorry if it's a bit off-topic and I'll snip this post. Anyways, I'm working on a school project where I will write about sexism and hate towards women in the gaming culture. It would be great if I could get some good videos or materials that I can use as sources, stuff about GamerGate and so on (what GamerGate is, how it all started, etc). I'm asking this here since I think a lot of you that visit this thread know quite a lot about this whole thing, and I am personally having a hard time finding any good informative explanations anywhere. I saw the videos in the OP but 2 of the 3 were removed from the looks of it.[/QUOTE] Gamergate is a huge bloody mess,forums and imageboards tend to lean one way or another media wants to be PC so instead of investigating claims of sexism they took it at face value ad published it as truth and even in acedemia there is a huge devide. Pakman gives covered the issue fairly and objectively, a feminist CH Sommers would be worthwhile to write too.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46626212]referring to this tweet of his [img]http://i.imgur.com/zjENFZB.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D32QxrjvQDMohttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMGNZsttQaxk&start1=1&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbDS_oUqLm-I&start2=8&authorName=IT+WAS+RAPE[/url]

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46624034]I know that not only the most privileged people say those things- I also know that Gamergate is incredibly diverse. But the more offensive (or 'offensive' in some instances) things we say, the less likely we are to win neutral people over- especially those who stand for social justice but have also done research. If I hadn't been on Facepunch, I would almost certainly be anti-GG because of the huge media slant against it. We have to stay vigilant and police ourselves a little bit because every slip-up we make is a huge piece of ammunition to be used against us. If we make the genuine social justice people aware that Gamergate is not a hate movement, then we will have actually achieved something- something that's pretty big- by separating a good chunk of slacktivists from the people who actually care. [editline]2nd December 2014[/editline] I try to stay relatively neutral in contentious issues (Ferguson probably being the biggest example right now) until I can get my hands on reliable information. With Gamergate, I've been utterly flooded. I'm not ashamed to admit that I support the hashtag, and what it aims to achieve, 100%.[/QUOTE] By policing the shit some people say here and there gamergate admits that it has something to do with social justice. It hasn't. Ethics in gaming journalist and independent development scene is not a social justice issue, there's no common ground. It's AGG's tactics to bring all sorts of feminisms and other stuff into it, when in fact it's all beside the point. The fact that some self-described faggot on 8chan said 'tranny' is not an legitimate argument against gamergate in no way imaginable. Social justice community has more to do with #notyourshield, and that's why [b]it got separated[/b] from #gamergate in the first place. That's why Reimu separated their work from gamergate. By tone 'policing' (god I hate this word) and censoring its community, gamergate jumps at every sort of bullet the agg sends its way, as it's still impossible to censor a headless revolt movement that formed around a hashtag. There're two ways to deflect this 'ammunition': either to ignore this entirely and push the ethics and corruption issue, or to control every single thing someone somewhere says to censor 'trannies', 'faggots', 'retards', 'cunts', 'bitches', all sorts of stuff someone somewhere will find offensive. Guess which one of those two options are just impossible.

Other people are better with links and such to timelines and such. Basically Zoe Quinn was called out on some of her behavior by an ex boyfriend in the call out allegations were made she had relationships for positive press,the allegations ended up being inaccurate . Instead of letting the issue fizzle out gaming media decided to condemn people who identify as gamers and to try and vilify the title and identity,it then exploded in spectacular a fashion. People disenfranchised with gaming media and the cliquish nature of the industry started digging and uncovered info that has led to allegations of industry blacklisting predating the event,allegations of racketeering in an indiegamejam and a whole slew of breach of journalistic ethics,including mailing lists to coordinate the "gamers are dead articles'' 12 published on the same day from different sites and blogs and also discussion about blacklisting a writer(See gamejournopros). During this time the horde of tumblr SJWs descended on the issue and decided no its not about ethics in journalism were gonna say its about harrasing women out of gaming,and have held this position going as far to blame Gamergate for rape murder ,the shooting at the Canadian Parliment building and a few other high profile crimes.Their general operation is to smear and label gamers as a group of "Whiny pissbaby shitslingers" Cis White males this prompted the hashtag #notyourshield.Not believing anyone should ever prove them wrong many of the people who identify as gamers and are not cis,white,or male are called sockpuppets frauds brainwashed and are attacked and bullied to a degree that greatly exceeds what we are accused of.On bullying alot of people who vehemently oppose GG seem to fall into the category of bullies they go after low hanging fruit they think will not stand up to them point in case Chris Kluwe a former NFL player who now casually writes or gawker,upon hearing that the media conglomerate was under fire for running a smear he wrote this quite frankly disturbing rant [url]https://medium.com/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6[/url] ,and of course we have Sam "Bring Bullying Back" Biddle who in the middle of anti bullying month stated exactly that and tried to use GG as an example of why its okay to bully nerds this of course coming from a man who has stated he wonders how long his blog bashing nerds causes a suicide. and im far too tired to write clearly anyone is free to pick up on this and edit any facts i got wrong and add links because im terrible at that.

Oh, hey. It's another video from Anita. Since no journalist of a major gaming website will decide to actually take a look at it instead of simply repeating "Anita did another thing." I'll have the honor. Watch out, wall of text incoming. [QUOTE]1. I can choose to remain completely oblivious, or indifferent to the harassment that many women face in gaming spaces.[/QUOTE] [B]Anyone[/B] can choose to remain completely oblivious to [B]anything[/B]. [QUOTE]2. I am never told that video games or the surrounding culture is not intended for me because I am male.[/QUOTE] Yeah, we're past that. Like since 10 or 20 years. [QUOTE]3. I can publicly post my username, gamertag or contact information online without having to fear being stalked or sexually harassed because of my gender.[/QUOTE] There are sick people on the internet who harass and stalk women simply because to them they seem as an easy target. That, however, is not an issue in gaming but in society itself since it mostly happens in social networks and not gaming communities. [QUOTE]4. I will never be asked to “prove my gaming cred” simply because of my gender.[/QUOTE] Okay, now I'm genuinely interested. Where do people (if they're even adults) make those statements? What games do they play? [QUOTE]5. If I enthusiastically express my fondness for video games no one will automatically assume I’m faking my interest just to “get attention” from other gamers.[/QUOTE] See 4. [QUOTE]6. I can look at practically any gaming website, show, or magazine and see the voices of people of my own gender widely represented.[/QUOTE] How is the opinion of a woman on any gaming website or show any less worth than the opinion of a man? If I read a review or watch I don't decide that by the gender of the author or the show host. [QUOTE]7. When I go to a gaming event or convention, I can be relatively certain that I won’t be harassed, groped, propositioned or catcalled by total strangers.[/QUOTE] I've been to multiple gaming conventions and esports events in Germany, spoke to multiple "female gamers" or cosplayers and not a single one of them could confirm that. [QUOTE]8. I will never be asked or expected to speak for all other gamers who share my gender.[/QUOTE] You mean like you judge most male gamers by shitty comments on twitter? [QUOTE]9. I can be sure that my gaming performance (good or bad) won’t be attributed to or reflect on my gender as a whole.[/QUOTE] Oh, you mean like stereotypical thinking? See 4. [QUOTE]10. My gaming ability will never be called into question based on unrelated natural biological functions.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking Christ. 4. 4. 4. [QUOTE]11. I can be relatively sure my thoughts about video games won’t be dismissed or attacked based solely on my tone of voice, even if I speak in an aggressive, obnoxious, crude or flippant manner.[/QUOTE] The first reply they'll most likely get is "shut up" no matter their gender. [QUOTE]12. I can openly say that my favorite games are casual, odd, non-violent, artistic, or cute without fear that my opinions will reinforce a stereotype that “men are not real gamers.”[/QUOTE] That's true actually. Unless you spend 10 hours a day playing Call of Dorky and drink 25 liters of Mountain Dew a week you're not a true gamer. [sp]FOUR[/sp] [QUOTE]13. When purchasing most major video games in a store, chances are I will not be asked if (or assumed to be) buying it for a wife, daughter or girlfriend.[/QUOTE] That probably won't happen too often because the IQ of the salesman asking you that question is probably just above the room temperature. [QUOTE]14. The vast majority of game studios, past and present, have been led and populated primarily by people of my own gender and as such most of their products have been specifically designed to cater to my demographic.[/QUOTE] And that is no problem as long as women are not prohibited or kept in any way shape or form from either entering the industry or simply playing a video game and not treated differently because they're not male. [QUOTE]15. I can walk into any gaming store and see images of my gender widely represented as powerful heroes, dastardly villains and non-playable characters alike.[/QUOTE] See 14. [QUOTE]16. I will almost always have the option to play a character of my gender, as most protagonists or heroes will be male by default.[/QUOTE] See 14 as well. [QUOTE]17. I do not have to carefully navigate my engagement with online communities or gaming spaces in order to avoid or mitigate the possibility of being harassed because of my gender.[/QUOTE] While my point from 3 still stands, you have to realise that when you're playing i.e. Call of Duty, and you kill somebody and that person sends you a message calling you a "feminazi bitch cunt" then their point is about insulting you, not pointing out your gender. If somebody in that or a similiar situation decides to insult you, then they're grasping for the first straw they can get. That either being your gender, nationality or even sexuality. [QUOTE]18. I probably never think about hiding my real-life gender online through my gamer-name, my avatar choice, or by muting voice-chat, out of fear of harassment resulting from my being male.[/QUOTE] See 3 and 17. [QUOTE]19. When I enter an online game, I can be relatively sure I won’t be attacked or harassed when and if my real-life gender is made public[/QUOTE] See 3. And probably 4. [QUOTE]20. If I am trash-talked or verbally berated while playing online, it will not be because I am male nor will my gender be invoked as an insult.[/QUOTE] 17. Read it. [QUOTE]21. While playing online with people I don’t know I won’t be interrogated about the size and shape of my real-life body parts, nor will I be pressured to share intimate details about my sex life for the pleasure of other players.[/QUOTE] 4. [QUOTE]22. Complete strangers generally do not send me unsolicited images of their genitalia or demand to see me naked on the basis of being a male gamer.[/QUOTE] 3. [QUOTE] 23. In multiplayer games I can be pretty sure that conversations between other players will not focus on speculation about my “attractiveness” or “sexual availability” in real-life.[/QUOTE] 4. [QUOTE]24. If I choose to point out sexism in gaming, my observations will not be seen as self-serving, and will therefore be perceived as more credible and worthy of respect than those of my female counterparts, even if they are saying the exact same thing.[/QUOTE] First of all, yes they're self-serving. Because you are a woman and you want to point out misogyny. How is that not self-serving? Is doing something that is self-serving a bad thing now? Also, the 2nd part of your statement is nothing but Ad-Hominem. Maybe those who criticise your videos are not doing so because they're male but because you're objectively wrong? [QUOTE]25. Because it was created by a straight white man, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer.[/QUOTE] This reply was written by a straight white man, who is half turkish and lives in Germany which makes me part of a minority. Does that affect my statement in any way? No? At least I don't think so. Maybe I should check my privilege then.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46626896][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B36UJWwCMAAas_Q.jpg:large[/IMG][/QUOTE] Oh sweet jesus I'm going to hell for laughing at that.

[quote]6. I can look at practically any gaming website, show, or magazine and see the voices of people of my own gender widely represented. 15. I can walk into any gaming store and see images of my gender widely represented as powerful heroes, dastardly villains and non-playable characters alike. 16. I will almost always have the option to play a character of my gender, as most protagonists or heroes will be male by default.[/quote] Inebriated sigh

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46626212]referring to this tweet of his [img]http://i.imgur.com/zjENFZB.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Am I really the only person who thinks he didn't deserve shit for this? All he said is that with public perceptions being what they are (some men commit public rape against total strangers), if you're a man and you're alone in an elevator with a woman you should be aware that she may feel threatened. It's not saying all men commit rape and you better restrain yourself, it's just saying don't be creepy in a situation where you may already be perceived as threatening for reasons outside your control.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46621829] tim schafer also starred in this video. maybe he should have stopped wasting his time and [url=http://techraptor.net/content/double-fines-broken-age-part-2-delayed-2015]tried working harder on broken age part 2[/url]. oh well, maybe next year.[/QUOTE] Kickstarter is turning us into a bunch of Bobby Koticks :v: