Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[URL]https://archive.today/2TNII[/URL] [QUOTE]You may think that you represent #GamerGate more truly than the harassers, but the public can’t help but see successful attacks as a kind of ownership. That may be unfair, but you’d be foolish to ignore it. At this point, the harassers have done so much damage that your best recourse may be to simply abandon the #GamerGate umbrella altogether, in favor of a rallying call that’s harder to co-opt. Every time they successfully run someone out of their home or damage the reputation of a potential ally, they take a stronger hold on the names under which you’ve rallied, and you lose a little bit more.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]You lose because it gets harder to espouse your cause when people associate it with harassment and misogyny. You lose because the number of people actively working to make the press more reliable and gaming more inclusive dwindles a little more. You lose because more people feel excluded from gaming. You lose, most of all, because hate takes a greater share of the world.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I sincerely hope you get it figured out.[/QUOTE] We are in the bargining stage of this operation

I basically read that as a threat. "Every time some dipshit does something cruel and heartless we will use it to demonize you. This is why you will lose, because what really matters is what the public sees. You better figure it out."

[I]You lose because I refuse to acknowledge anything but the worst examples, and as long as I propagate the notion that that's all there is to the movement then I can play the victim.[/I] [editline]5th September 2014[/editline] Actually that's not completely true, they acknowledge other things, they just spin them so much it's unrecognisable. [url=https://archive.today/s90b1][i]Female Game Journalists Quit Over Harassment, #GamerGate Harms Women[/i][/url], no mention that she was fired for writing a shitty article that abused her audience and she brought it on herself, just whatever confirms your biases.

[url]http://i.imgur.com/nlYwtyr.jpg[/url] [editline]5th September 2014[/editline] DSP decides to talk about gamergate, for some reason [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqn2TvdS8SM&list=UU3s6f_J5nB6kHXsta90N77Q#t=4093[/url]

[QUOTE=Wii60;45892542]conservatives are the only ones who will directly touch the gamergate thing apparently[/QUOTE] They see a chance to belittle feminists, they'll take it since it fits their agenda. We're kind of a side thing, helping us just helps them with their other goals. [QUOTE=Latex;45893365]Now i don't know how things work over at Gearbox, but if i was Randy Pitchford, Anthony Burch would be cleaning his fucking desk right now. One thing is being a retard on his personal twitter, but vandalizing a company website is no go, no matter what.[/QUOTE] pitchford is a disgusting human being equivalent to hound bile, who knows what's going to go on

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896631]DSP decides to talk about gamergate, for some reason [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqn2TvdS8SM&list=UU3s6f_J5nB6kHXsta90N77Q#t=4093[/url][/QUOTE] Pure stupid talking about pure stupid. It's like a Starbucks across from a Starbucks.

random fun fact: Gamergate is also a name for a transexual ant that takes the place of the queen when it dies [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/URL] i should turn this into a #notyourshield tweet somehow [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LbyRSvy.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896568][URL]https://archive.today/2TNII[/URL] We are in the bargining stage of this operation[/QUOTE] Its the internet. No matter what you do you're going to have shitlords harassing people. That isn't just exclusive to the gaming community. Abandoning gamergate = sensible people leaving and radicals representing gamers. [QUOTE]You lose because the number of people actively working to make the press more reliable and gaming more inclusive dwindles a little more. You lose because more people feel excluded from gaming. You lose, most of all, because hate takes a greater share of the world.[/QUOTE] #Notyourshield has shown that that its feminists making people feel excluded. [editline]5th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;45442008] The fact is is that she knows where money and attention is. Kotaku/Tumblr feminists who want to be victims to feel like they're part of something.[/QUOTE] rip

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45896810] #Notyourshield has shown that that its [b]feminists[/b] making people feel excluded. [/QUOTE] SJWs* They're no feminists, they're Tumblr waste.

[url]https://archive.today/yL1OQ[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XPqrsg4.jpg[/IMG]

Gamers hate diversity and good female characters. Look at how much of a market failure Telltales Walking Dead is.

I really wish journalists would actually do their job, and actually fucking research what's going on instead of parroting what sites we're complaining against are saying.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45896887]Gamers hate diversity and good female characters. Look at how much of a market failure Telltales Walking Dead is.[/QUOTE] What? I thought it was a success, it won tons of awards and it was GOTY. S2 wasn't as good but it still won awards and I thought it was a success, and apparently it was considering there is a S3 coming.

[QUOTE=Xonax;45896906]What? I thought it was a success, it won tons of awards and it was GOTY. S2 wasn't as good but it still won awards and I thought it was a success, and apparently it was considering there is a S3 coming.[/QUOTE] He's being sarcastic.

[QUOTE=Xonax;45896906]What? I thought it was a success, it won tons of awards and it was GOTY. S2 wasn't as good but it still won awards and I thought it was a success, and apparently it was considering there is a S3 coming.[/QUOTE] That was sarcasm. [editline]ninja[/editline] Ninja'd

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896852][url]https://archive.today/yL1OQ[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XPqrsg4.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yet another terrible site to add to the list

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896763]random fun fact: Gamergate is also a name for a transexual ant that takes the place of the queen when it dies [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/URL] i should turn this into a #notyourshield tweet somehow [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LbyRSvy.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] What sort of "terrible things" have happened in the name of GamerGate? Did a group of misogynists chant "Gamergate!" while attacking a women's shelter? Was a hospital dispensing hormones for transgender people bombed with a legion of Mario cosplayers wearing "gg" armbands striking afterward to wipe out any survivors?

[QUOTE=Ziron;45896939]What sort of "terrible things" have happened in the name of GamerGate? Did a group of misogynists chanting "Gamergate!" while attacking a women's shelter? Was a hospital dispensing hormones for transgender people bombed with a legion of Mario cosplayers wearing "gg" armbands striking afterward to wipe out any survivors?[/QUOTE] i am sorry to say that it's worse than that they said bad things about women on the internet

[QUOTE=Ziron;45896939]What sort of "terrible things" have happened in the name of GamerGate? Did a group of misogynists chanting "Gamergate!" while attacking a women's shelter? Was a hospital dispensing hormones for transgender people bombed with a legion of Mario cosplayers wearing "gg" armbands striking afterward to wipe out any survivors?[/QUOTE] Worse. Some people were being mean to certain females. [editline]5th September 2014[/editline] oh come on

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896852][url]https://archive.today/yL1OQ[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XPqrsg4.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] This really is killing me right now. This is the best people have ever been, everyone's learned to avoid bullshit like that and are continuously spreading images specifically naming and shaming nepotistic journalists, yet no-one cares. People have this narrative that it's all death threats and whiny babies so they don't care about anything else. They don't care that people are on their best behaviour, they don't care that people on their own side are dishing out even more abuse, and they don't care that the people they're defending actually did fuck up and are actively making it worse, all that matters is this narrative they've already built and shit all over everything else. [QUOTE=Ziron;45896939]What sort of "terrible things" have happened in the name of GamerGate? Did a group of misogynists chanting "Gamergate!" while attacking a women's shelter? Was a hospital dispensing hormones for transgender people bombed with a legion of Mario cosplayers wearing "gg" armbands striking afterward to wipe out any survivors?[/QUOTE] Apparently Jenn Frank was harassed to the point of quitting, not because she wrote an inflammatory and poor quality piece for a website with higher standards than Kotaku, but because everyone is all angry nerds mad at women specifically. You really wonder how many of these people actually ask why things happen and how many just take headlines. If you actually sat down and talked with them, would you actually get anywhere?

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896949]i am sorry to say that it's worse than that they said bad things about women on the internet[/QUOTE] no...godfuckingdamnit...those, those MONSTERS!

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We are witnessing the death throes of "Gaming Journalism".

[QUOTE=V12US;45897019]We are witnessing the death throes of "Gaming Journalism".[/QUOTE] I think you're mixing things up. It's gamers who are dying demographic, journalists are all fine. Even though some of them lost their job, even more lost their connections and absolutely everyone lost their credibility, they're doing JUST FINE.

[QUOTE=Wii60;45896763]random fun fact: Gamergate is also a name for a transexual ant that takes the place of the queen when it dies [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/URL] i should turn this into a #notyourshield tweet somehow [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/LbyRSvy.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] wait is he saying there is no legitimate criticism you can make of any feminist? or have i misread something

[QUOTE=Rusty100;45897158]wait is he saying there is no legitimate criticism you can make of any feminist? or have i misread something[/QUOTE] You might have valid critiques of individual feminists, but allegedly feminism as a whole is an unstoppable force and social liberalisation is an inevitability. Basically he has no idea how social change works and would've supported the Jacobin club if given the chance. Also it seems as if people are using Jenn Frank as a martyr for the cause? Where are those tweets from afterwards where she said she supported it but couldn't speak out?

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[QUOTE=Wii60;45896763]random fun fact: Gamergate is also a name for a transexual ant that takes the place of the queen when it dies[/QUOTE] It's not transexual, all ants except for 'kings' are female. Gamergates are the normal female worker ants that take upon the role of queen in specific species. [editline]5th September 2014[/editline] extremely relevant to the conversation

People saying that "too many bad things are associated with #GamerGate", isn't that the [I]exact[/I] same logic people use to discredit feminism by pointing extreme male-hating feminists and trans-exclusionary feminists?

[QUOTE=V12US;45897019]We are witnessing the death throes of "Gaming Journalism".[/QUOTE] I think at this point there is enough outrage that within the month there will be MASSIVE changes in the "journalism" industry