Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=V12US;46667263]Yeah, good luck with that. You'll solve world hunger before that happens.[/QUOTE] Maybe we can feed people with the flaming corpse of games journalism. We got lucky and have a huge consumer revolt that's had the resistance to guilt by association pretty firmly incorporated, might as well use it to it's advantage. It's not like we're trying to convince even a significant percentage of the public, just people who might have an opinion related to gamergate, and just enough to make it so that narrative gets shot down more often when it's attempted. Its one of our few good options and will probably just happen on it's own anyways since solid, concise, good ideas like it tend to spread quite quickly.

[QUOTE=Ithon;46666599]post in pol "/pol/ was right along". Also I hope section 6 dosen't hurt the fbi investigation.[/QUOTE] It very likely will as there is no way in hell that information would have been readily leaked by someone involved, using illegally acquired information is questionable. Plus with it now being public it's probably inadmissible in any legal action.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46667603]It very likely will as there is no way in hell that information would have been readily leaked by someone involved, using illegally acquired information is questionable. Plus with it now being public it's probably inadmissible in any legal action.[/QUOTE] i believe that it depends on if the investigators or the prosecutors themselves did the leak, which would make it illegally obtained evidence. if somone unrelated leaked it on their own, without being compelled to by either investigators or prosecution, then it might be admissible in court

[QUOTE=Quiet;46665341]The situation at /pol/ appears to be due to their ongoing joke about Ben Garrison.[/QUOTE] Any more on this or?

[QUOTE=Deng;46667902]Any more on this or?[/QUOTE] You may know about /pol/ editing Ben Garrison's comics. If not, well, that's what they do. Or used to do. In any case, I don't know of the legitimacy of the following image, but it has been floating about: [t]http://i.imgur.com/HYhmSeM.png[/t] Someone on /pol/ said that Garrison posted this, then moot fucked up /pol/, and then Garrison took this down. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] Notice how the caption in the image matches the wordfilter on /pol/. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] The more I look at this image the more I feel like I'm getting trolled. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] Then again, Garrison talking about /pol/ on his blog doesn't seem like a new thing, so maybe this isn't that far-fetched.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46667289]Idk, I think guilt by association IS what's going to bite them in the ass, especially if more celebrities like David Draimon start seeing what it truly is.[/QUOTE] The only way this can be salvaged is if it made public opinion turn the IGF/IF into a ghost town in regards to funding, which it won't; because the funding is almost 100% political/ideological based. Now that this is out, the only way it can be used judicially is in a civil case. Rogue just fucked us, and he fucked the government's case. This is why #GG has definite potential to lose the long game; people keep fucking themselves in the ass with histrionic outbursts instead of staying the course. The entire opposition is based on pseudo scientific bullshit masquerading as social paradigms and muh feels masqueraded as incontrovertible facts. If #GG keeps acting on the same level, as was done here; sjws are going to become the winners when issue fatigue sets in, and people stop following the facts. Rogue* just fucked his own case in the ass, unless he intends to spend the next decade and a half in court pursuing civil litigation and the inevitable politically funded appeals. Not terribly bright.

Does anyone think that Jim Sterling will eventually turn on Totalbiscuit? I think TB trusts him as a friend still but I don't think that is the case.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xekh4bJ.jpg[/img] [url]https://twitter.com/RWSPOSTAL/status/541999751638810624[/url] RWS doing what they do best

[QUOTE=Wormy;46668207]Hopefully I can ask this here; I asked a few things about GamerGate before regarding what it is and how it came to be, and I got one more question so I can easier write my school assignment. I have looked at a few sites about #GamerGate but I cannot find a good explanation of what GamerGate in a summary really is, what is their purpose and what do they think about sexism in the gaming culture and game journalism? If someone can give a short answer to these that would be great.[/QUOTE] I've found a lot of people have a lot of opinions on what exactly they want out of this. Kinda like the Occupy movements really, there's no 100% certain consensus amongst those involved. There's a group who are genuinely concerned about the collusion between shit-tier media sites from Gawker Media and the likes. These guys have a lot of overlap with another group who are concerned about how indie developers seem to have a lot of ties with each other and "small" media (not IGN for the sakes of this). So these guys want sites to implement some form of ethical guidelines because right now not a single game journalism site is remotely ethical in practice. There are some fringe groups who are concerned about the impact of "political correctness" and the big scary "SJWs" ruining their games by shaming developers and publishers into "censoring" their games. And the only real examples I've seen of anything like this happening are some smaller studios and indie developers. It's not a massive problem, and it is largely tied to Gawker (these guys will come up a lot) due to their lack of ethical practice. But this group just tend to screech about the "SJWs", kind of an annoying lot. A lot of it does tie back to some form of ethical journalism, but the means to get there are still up in the air between a lot of the various groups of people involved.

[QUOTE=Wormy;46668207]Hopefully I can ask this here; I asked a few things about GamerGate before regarding what it is and how it came to be, and I got one more question so I can easier write my school assignment. I have looked at a few sites about #GamerGate but I cannot find a good explanation of what GamerGate in a summary really is, what is their purpose and what do they think about sexism in the gaming culture and game journalism? If someone can give a short answer to these that would be great.[/QUOTE] A: You're supposed to do your own damn homework (that's why it's called homework) B: Gamergate is an event, not a movement; so you're already off the path right there. People whom use the hashtag as an ender support the movement [I]around the subsequent fallout[/I] from the incident, they are completely separate things. The consumer movement has no name. C: There is no unified opinion on sexism or what "gaming culture" even is, and there never has been. This entire mess started because an academic [I]whom does not play games[/I], and had her thesis fasttracked simply through like-peer review without any objective checking decided that somehow she understood what gaming as a lifestyle entailed, despite she, in fact, hadn't faintest idea of what it is, because it isn't any more defined than any other activity created around interactive things or storytelling is. It is up to each individual involved to express their opinion, and they are just that; [B]opinions[/B].

[QUOTE=27X;46668287]C: There is no unified opinion on sexism or what "gaming culture" even is, and there never has been. This entire mess started because an academic [I]whom does not play games[/I], and had her thesis fastracked simply through like-peer review without any objective checking decided that somehow she understood what gaming as a lifestyle entailed, and she, in fact, hadn't faintest idea of what it is, because it isn't any more defined than any other activity created around interactive things or storytelling is. It is up to each individual involved to express their opinion, and they are just that; [B]opinions[/B].[/QUOTE] I don't think that's accurate. The exact event that touched off Gamergate was the 'gamers are dead' response to the Zoe Quinn controversy, but it was fed by a number of sources, including Sarkeesian's analysis. It's essentially a culture war between people who feel that they have a responsibility to enact positive social change through games, and those who want games to be free to stand or fail on their own merits without being critiqued with a specific agenda, and it's been a long time coming- the gaming press turning against their readers was just the last straw. Wormy, the biggest thing you should keep in mind is that ethics reform is the only common thread to Gamergate supporters. Some people want feminism to stay out of gaming, others don't like the way AGG has treated legitimate concerns, still others simply feel that corruption has occurred and needs to be dealt with. Asking questions like what Gamergate thinks of sexism in the gaming culture is a bit leading because it's assuming that there's commonality amongst an enormously diverse base of people. By all means ask for opinions, but just remember that it's a movement of individuals centered around corruption and ethics reform, and anything [i]beyond[/i] that is purely an individual's opinion.

Anti-GG admits that they have a doxxing problem, then play it off with 'They probably meant well' [t]http://i.imgur.com/Q2UYek4.jpg[/t] No Randi, this is the kind of behavior that needs to be called out no matter what side they are on. You can't just go 'GAMERGATE IS THE EVILEST THING EVER' when someone with no affiliation to GG whatsoever does it, yet go 'They probably meant well' when your side does it.

[QUOTE=Jordax;46668441]Anti-GG admits that they have a doxxing problem, then play it off with 'They probably meant well' [url]http://i.imgur.com/Q2UYek4.jpg[/url] [/QUOTE] I know how it sounds, but well, so did Hitler. Meaning well doesn't excuse anyone of doing anything bad.

[QUOTE=Cliff2;46668263]snip [url]https://twitter.com/RWSPOSTAL/status/541999751638810624[/url] RWS doing what they do best[/QUOTE] "Those that know the game's controls will understand". Man, it's brilliant.

[QUOTE=Wormy;46668207]Hopefully I can ask this here; I asked a few things about GamerGate before regarding what it is and how it came to be, and I got one more question so I can easier write my school assignment. I have looked at a few sites about #GamerGate but I cannot find a good explanation of what GamerGate in a summary really is, what is their purpose and what do they think about sexism in the gaming culture and game journalism? If someone can give a short answer to these that would be great.[/QUOTE] Some useful links, read up. [url]http://press.gamergate.me/dossier/[/url] [url]http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php/Main_Page[/url] [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/wiki/index[/url] [url]http://www.historyofgamergate.com/[/url] [url]http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/343871/Corruption-consumer-hate-and-bad-journalism-in-games-journalism/[/url] [url]http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate[/url] [url]http://gitgud.net/gamergate/gamergateop/tree/master[/url] [url]http://press.gamergate.me/dossier/[/url]

[QUOTE=Jordax;46668441]Anti-GG admits that they have a doxxing problem, then play it off with 'They probably meant well' [t]http://i.imgur.com/Q2UYek4.jpg[/t] No Randi, this is the kind of behavior that needs to be called out no matter what side they are on. You can't just go 'GAMERGATE IS THE EVILEST THING EVER' when someone with no affiliation to GG whatsoever does it, yet go 'They probably meant well' when your side does it.[/QUOTE] Didn't someone post an instance of her doxxing someone on twitter?

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46668626]Don't forget this beauty for the most biased view you can get: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy[/url][/QUOTE] the wikipedia article is legitimatley more biased than the sjw wiki article on the subject. Thanks ryulong.

[QUOTE=JohnnyGoGo;46668637]Didn't someone post an instance of her doxxing someone on twitter?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Thlis;46559449]What a misogynist shitlord. Not like this upstanding person. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/7c9LI1J.png[/IMG] IE, the one that made the Gamegate block list for IGDA. The list intended to block people that harass and dox others.[/QUOTE] By the way is there anything that anyone wants pointed out to the CBC Ombudsman? Friday is going to be the 20 day mark and I have received literally no messages from the person I was directed to.

[QUOTE=Wormy;46668207]Hopefully I can ask this here; I asked a few things about GamerGate before regarding what it is and how it came to be, and I got one more question so I can easier write my school assignment. I have looked at a few sites about #GamerGate but I cannot find a good explanation of what GamerGate in a summary really is, what is their purpose and what do they think about sexism in the gaming culture and game journalism? If someone can give a short answer to these that would be great.[/QUOTE] gamergate is the description of the corruption in games journalism this included the articles of information upon games, opinion pieces, and reviews. The center of accusations involve collusion between indie developers and journalists while the journalists and devs cover up the accusations. Several things steamed from gamergate to deal with or remedy other problems: corruption in indie competitions (do involve some journalists but it's been not just the focus) digra and university indoctrination (which is pointing up the river if the problem is a lake) charties (each one can be different) white-listing, promotion of pro gg devs, and thank you to AAA devs the campaign to remove ads from sites which control and are responsible for the corrupt journalists and people supporting them to a point of causing harm. (is used as a tool to deal with corruption) and the promotion of women devs and creators who aren't attacking gg. Within the decree of corruption people rallied together (partly fueled by censorship), and while they gravitated to different online communities before having their own moralities, philosophies, and beliefs an overlapping consensus (if I'm not mistaken for the word) was revealed out of bi partisanship. I can go into detail then summarize on this. The purpose is to have honesty, though honesty people with merit get their share, though their share the belief of a stronger industry exists. Sexism is a problem, but right now its directing the problem on something that it isn't by people who are not. I took out a lot to shorten my reply.

Plebcomics got doxxed, tumblr hacked and deleted, and resigned from her job [URL]https://archive.today/0btWi[/URL] [URL]http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/[/URL] [url]http://abbysucks.tumblr.com/post/104685167595/raydelblau-abbysucks-thanks-tumblr-for[/url]

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46668711]Don't forget the more aggressive but less stupid NorthBySouthBaranof.[/QUOTE] "more aggressive" ryulong has like 500 edits on the GG article, 200 more than the 2nd place editor. And he constantly shitposts on all tangentially related topics, like he's trying to get 8chan founder Fredrick Brennan's page removed without any real basis, he just makes shit up about how "oh, your sources aren't reliable, but mine are" and bs about how he thinks something isn't notable enough despite it meeting wikipedia's requirements. Look at the talk page for yourself, it's ridiculous [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrick_Brennan[/url]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46669073]Plebcomics got doxxed, tumblr hacked and deleted, and resigned from her job [URL]https://archive.today/0btWi[/URL] [URL]http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/[/URL] [url]http://abbysucks.tumblr.com/post/104685167595/raydelblau-abbysucks-thanks-tumblr-for[/url][/QUOTE] Fucking seriously? I'm mad to admit this but I had a feeling this was going to happen. Her comics while funny and meaningful upset the narrative for those folks.

She should have backed everything up.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46669073]Plebcomics got doxxed, tumblr hacked and deleted, and resigned from her job [URL]https://archive.today/0btWi[/URL] [URL]http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/[/URL] [url]http://abbysucks.tumblr.com/post/104685167595/raydelblau-abbysucks-thanks-tumblr-for[/url][/QUOTE] I highly suggest everyone send an email to Tumblr's abuse department regarding this. [email]abuse@tumblr.com[/email]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;46669230]I highly suggest everyone send an email to Tumblr's abuse department regarding this. [EMAIL="abuse@tumblr.com"]abuse@tumblr.com[/EMAIL][/QUOTE] They won't do anything this has happened many times before 4chan /co/ is angry as shit over this and 8chan /gamergate/ is too.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;46668651]the wikipedia article is legitimatley more biased than the sjw wiki article on the subject. Thanks ryulong.[/QUOTE] He's trying to remove Frederick Brennan's page (8chan owner) for reason. [editline]8th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyGoGo;46668637]Didn't someone post an instance of her doxxing someone on twitter?[/QUOTE] IIRC, it showed up in a public mailing list. She later apologized and removed the tweet.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46669236]They won't do anything this has happened many times before 4chan /co/ is angry as shit over this and 8chan /gamergate/ is too.[/QUOTE] I'm positive if they get enough emails they'll do something. This shits illegal as hell.

8chan has a idea of making many comics in her "attacking SJW" style and post them in a flood on tumblr.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46665491]He's literally schizophrenic. Like, he may actually, very genuinely, need mental help and is not receiving it. Not to mention narcissistic, since he has to relate these things back to them being done in his name.[/QUOTE] The [URL="https://archive.today/1CBbX"]full quote[/URL] does shed slightly more light on it: [quote]I was visiting Jersey City, New Jersey on September 11, 2001. I saw a jumbo jet slam into the World Trade Center. I walked down to the Hudson, eight blocks away, and stared gaping as both towers crumbled before my eyes. From that moment on, I started asking why. I started questioning everything. I started reading desperately seeking answers to explain why the world had suddenly gone crazy that morning. I couldn't seem to find the answers I was looking for in the usual places, so I looked abroad to the press from Britain, France and the Middle East. My own personal Pandora's box opened. Soon I found myself buried beneath a small mountain of books and articles by Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Edward Said, Arundhati Roy, Howard Zinn, Robert Fisk, Michael Albert, Gregory Palast, Kalle Lans, and Eric Schlosser. Having been brought up immersed in the doctrine of the ultra-conservative Christian Right, as I gained some inkling of the atrocities and injustice being carried out in my name across the globe, I was shocked. I felt betrayed by not just my government but by the media, my education and my family. I had been systematically misinformed, deceived and lied to all my life. So as someone born and raised in the United States of America I decided to make some changes. Today, two years later, I am an activist, a jammer, a vegetarian, a dissident detective, an info warrior, and a guerrilla artist. I ride a bicycle everywhere. I shut off my TV. I no longer buy things I don't need and I built this web site. It is dedicated to resisting war, injustice, inequality and empire through art, creativity, humor, fun, learning, mischief and disobedience. It is part of the growing rebellion! Jonathan McIntosh - 2003[/quote] I can understand being disgruntled with American politics (I'd be too.), but this is quite the overreaction.

Do you think it would be a good idea to make a video showing all the examples of vile shit done by the opposition? My only concern is that they will try to copy it (since they have no imagination) and try to do the same to us.