Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Ithon;46713878]information needs to be further confirmed but the claim is there [url]http://theralphretort.com/sjw-media-blackouts-coverage-of-japan-chroniclers-book/[/url][/QUOTE] I am so suspicious of this, there's no evidence provided, at least I want to see the IGDA email they talked about. Trust but verify.

oh hello [url]http://i.imgur.com/VHAE69b.png[/url]

I hate this media. It's not exclusive to petty video games' journalists. It used to be that the media was there to give the world clarity, but the value of objectivity has fallen and in its place is ideology. When will it ever end?

[QUOTE=Wii60;46715029]oh hello [url]http://i.imgur.com/VHAE69b.png[/url][/QUOTE] Troll or not, colour me impressed.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46715029]oh hello [URL]http://i.imgur.com/VHAE69b.png[/URL][/QUOTE] Out of the thousands of messages she and Wu get, somehow they always end up posting the ones which turn out to be fakes Well I never questioned that there's shitty people on the internet, but this is getting suspicious to say the least

They've seen the wall; much like cable providers: the asteroid has hit and the fat ass veggiesaurs are gonna eat every single plant they can come across before the meatasauruses find them all bloated and slow, and nature takes its course. Context driven journalism begins to fade when everyone has a camera and can document just about anything, and people no longer really want hard news, they want someone to tell them their opinion is justified and correct. and here we is.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46713740][url]http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/104914740993/blue-author-well-the-publicly-promulgated[/url][/QUOTE] There's also a follow-up somewhere because the author of that original thing noticed. [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ithon;46713878]information needs to be further confirmed but the claim is there [url]http://theralphretort.com/sjw-media-blackouts-coverage-of-japan-chroniclers-book/[/url][/QUOTE] I think I remember seeing the Kickstarter for that. It may be worth looking up but I'll also have a look at user reviews if it's published. [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;46715029]oh hello [url]http://i.imgur.com/VHAE69b.png[/url][/QUOTE] The IP is currently not bound to a domain, other than the default/random one by the hosting service. [editline]edit[/editline] I think whoever did it set up a web forwarding proxy to use the Femfreq contact form. Revealing the true IP depends on whether the server conforms to standards or not, but in this case I assume it doesn't and fully hides the original. ("Normal" http proxies will use a "forwarded-for" header to specify the IP making the request, and the default IP function in PHP only returns that. This also means it's trivial to fake your own IP towards most websites by pretending to be a proxy. It's impossible to determine which method a website or particular form uses without actively testing and checking for some feature (or user) revealing the apparent IP.) The other method would be a "true" TCP proxy, but most hosting services don't support that afaik.

milo is writting a book [url]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/15/I-m-writing-a-book-about-GamerGate[/url] Hope he includes Reimu and in a positive light. edit: Tamschi it's out on amazon. [url]http://www.amazon.com/Untold-History-Japanese-Game-Developers/dp/0992926009[/url]

Its going to get brought up before long, but [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-15-controversial-mass-murdering-game-hatred-appears-on-steam-greenlight"]Valve has at this point removed Hatred from Greenlight[/URL]. Its an interesting one for me; the game looks bad, I think the people making it are bad, and I think the point it has thus far established itself as trying to present is bad, but I also don't think these things are reason to try and stop it from existing. At the same time, this is a matter of a game which has thus far only demonstrated itself as glorifying mass murder, especially those like the Breivik killings, and anything Valve sells can be considered a representation of them. So while they're fine with people saying "You allow shitty games, violence, misogyny, blah blah." they don't want to be seen as party to mass killings, especially ones of a politically charged nature. This is not a case of censorship, as stores are free to distribute products at will as they have to actually supply them to the consumers. And in games like GTA or Postal 2 or the like, their actions exist within different context from what Hatred is providing at this point. Summary: Hatred, bad game, should be allowed to exist regardless. Valve, not censoring, just not obligated to sell games that misrepresent them. Censorship, not occurring. "SJW" bullshit, not occuring. Specifically related to GamerGate, there is at this point no indication that Valve was pressured to make this decision, and that its not because of it just being violent or whatever. A core component of GamerGate has always been that the context related to games is paramount, and that stripping it out leaves it at just "GTAV lets you kill people/punch prostitutes!" and "Bayonetta is sexualized!" And people are going exactly against that and trying to use those very arguments of "WELL GTAV LETS YOU KILL PEOPLE/PUNCH PROSTITUTES!" and "POSTAL HAS LOTS OF KILLING" in the SH thread, and completely stripping all context.

I'm just pissed off that valve would go out of their way to remove this before it's even greenlit and allow piles of shovelware to be released on steam Used to be they would scrutizine whatever comes through greenlight, now if it gets greenlit, it gets released

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46720258]Its going to get brought up before long, but [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-12-15-controversial-mass-murdering-game-hatred-appears-on-steam-greenlight"]Valve has at this point removed Hatred from Greenlight[/URL]. Its an interesting one for me; the game looks bad, I think the people making it are bad, and I think the point it has thus far established itself as trying to present is bad, but I also don't think these things are reason to try and stop it from existing. At the same time, this is a matter of a game which has thus far only demonstrated itself as glorifying mass murder, especially those like the Breivik killings, and anything Valve sells can be considered a representation of them. So while they're fine with people saying "You allow shitty games, violence, misogyny, blah blah." they don't want to be seen as party to mass killings, especially ones of a politically charged nature. This is not a case of censorship, as stores are free to distribute products at will as they have to actually supply them to the consumers. And in games like GTA or Postal 2 or the like, their actions exist within different context from what Hatred is providing at this point. Summary: Hatred, bad game, should be allowed to exist regardless. Valve, not censoring, just not obligated to sell games that misrepresent them. Censorship, not occurring. "SJW" bullshit, not occuring. Specifically related to GamerGate, there is at this point no indication that Valve was pressured to make this decision, and that its not because of it just being violent or whatever. A core component of GamerGate has always been that the context related to games is paramount, and that stripping it out leaves it at just "GTAV lets you kill people/punch prostitutes!" and "Bayonetta is sexualized!" And people are going exactly against that and trying to use those very arguments of "WELL GTAV LETS YOU KILL PEOPLE/PUNCH PROSTITUTES!" and "POSTAL HAS LOTS OF KILLING" in the SH thread, and completely stripping all context.[/QUOTE] If Valve don't want to sell it they are in no way obliged to stock it. Whether it be because of the PR fallout, disagreement with the content or just "lmao fuck devs". I don't understand why people cannot grasp this. It's not censorship for a store to not stock something. Valve aren't known for buckling to the demands of external groups, it's why Steam is what it is today (for better or for worse). The guys making Hatred can propose their game to every other digital store on the Internet. Or sell it themselves, seeing as nobody sane would stock the game.

While I agree that Valve, XBL, PSN, etc. are private platforms, and companies have the abilities/rights to decide what to sell or not sell, I think it generally sets a bad precedent to pull games due to content of the game. Today, "Hatred" is deemed to be a "problematic" game, 2 weeks ago it was GTA5 in Australian Kmarts and Targets. Tomorrow Valve could decide GTA is "problematic" and pull it from their store, and next month pay day & pay day 2 which are "bank robbery simulators" could be deemed to be problematic and get pulled.

[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46720447]I'm just pissed off that valve would go out of their way to remove this before it's even greenlit and allow piles of shovelware to be released on steam Used to be they would scrutizine whatever comes through greenlight, now if it gets greenlit, it gets released[/QUOTE] This is what Steam is trying to be. Valve want the community to manage the storefronts. Blame the community for being fucking terrible and letting the shovelware in. [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=truckilles;46720451]While I agree that Valve, XBL, PSN, etc. are private platforms, and companies have the abilities/rights to decide what to sell or not sell, I think it generally sets a bad precedent to pull games due to content of the game. Today, "Hatred" is deemed to be a "problematic" game, 2 weeks ago it was GTA5 in Australian Kmarts and Targets. Tomorrow Valve could decide GTA is "problematic" and pull it from their store, and next month pay day & pay day 2 which are "bank robbery simulators" could be deemed to be problematic and get pulled.[/QUOTE] Terrible examples. Neither of those games promote the mindless mass murder of civilians. Yes you can kill everyone you come across in GTA, but there are consequences, same with the Payday series, you lose quite a bit of money for killing civilians. Hatred so far has shown nothing that tells us it's a satire or anything, as far as we know and the devs will tell us, it's just promoting mass murder for vague "fuck tumblr" reasons.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46720462]This is what Steam is trying to be. Valve want the community to manage the storefronts. Blame the community for being fucking terrible and letting the shovelware in.[/QUOTE] This needs to be automatically posted in response to any posts made when people bitch about Greenlight. No one either notices or cares but this is exactly the reality. [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] Just to make a point about one of our own, I'm gonna repost this from the SH thread. I probably shouldn't be crossposting so much, so I'll try to make sure this is the last one: [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46720560][QUOTE=Wii60;46720482]also, greenlight was made for the community to curate what they want on steam, not valve valve is breaking their rules on this but hey valves ok with a [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/313740/"]literal hentai game[/URL] on their service, but shooting people is too far[/QUOTE]Because those things do not falsely attribute political associations to Valve who will be responsible for this game if they choose to put it up. Hatred is not just shooting people, this is the exact thing I said about context. We've both been active in GamerGate for a long time now, what is one thing that is always important: Context. What are you, in complete contradiction to this idea, doing? You are stripping out the context. You are removing it to make a point sound good. You are doing one of the very things GamerGate complains about. Quit staring in to the damned abyss.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46720462]This is what Steam is trying to be. Valve want the community to manage the storefronts.[/QUOTE] That's my fucking point, if valve is so eager to let the community manage the storefronts why do they feel the need to intrude their own policy by removing an item due to controversy but are perfectly fine with selling barely functional (not always even) games? The only reason they should be doing that is if the game breaches the ToS, which is not the case. Is it their prerogative? Yes. Is it a shitty practice? Abso-fucking-lutely. The thing is, if valve scrutizined greenlight games like they used to nobody would be outraged over this.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46720462] Terrible examples. Neither of those games promote the mindless mass murder of civilians. Yes you can kill everyone you come across in GTA, but there are consequences, same with the Payday series, you lose quite a bit of money for killing civilians. [/quote] That there are consequences in game didn't stop GTA from getting pulled from those shelves. This was posted on reddit: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6JDKZNO.jpg[/IMG] [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] So it appears they're claiming a ToS violation. I just hope this isn't a "we don't like the content of the game so we made up a ToS violation" situation.

Hatred getting pulled from Steam is dumb. The only reason people don't care that Valve removed it is because people deemed the content to be "problematic" from what we've been shown. Not because it's a broken piece of mess that doesn't work. But because people are bloody offended by little bits and pieces shown in fucking trailers Fuck off,if you don't like a game just don't buy it

unless hatred was removed steam directly because of games journalists, it's not a gamergate issue. If the game comes out and it was totally misrepresented then it's a gamergate issue. TB has made a point using the comparison to netflix and in my opinion I want the game out just so that it can be studied along postal under lab conditions.

[QUOTE=truckilles;46720703]So it appears they're claiming a ToS violation. I just hope this isn't a "we don't like the content of the game so we made up a ToS violation" situation.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that's a standard message, "Based on what we've seen on Greenlight we would not publish Hatred on Steam. As such we'll be taking it down," seems a pretty clear indication that they just weren't interestend in selling it [QUOTE=Ithon;46720799]unless hatred was removed steam directly because of games journalists, it's not a gamergate issue. If the game comes out and it was totally misrepresented then it's a gamergate issue. TB has made a point using the comparison to netflix and in my opinion I want the game out just so that it can be studied along postal under lab conditions.[/QUOTE] I don't think valve gave in to pressure, that would be a first for them, I think they legitimately decided they didn't want it on the store and it was just very bad timing for this to happen, but I'm still not ok with their double standards in curation (or lack thereof) of the storefront

Maybe when the trailer says that he wants to kill every last person on earth it obviously includes Gabe Newell and is therefore a death threat to the head of valve.

Complaints against the Oculus rift team [img]http://i.imgur.com/uTzKyW2.jpg[/img]

He deleted his twitter shortly after that

Wow, hey, it's almost like he blocked her because he felt harassed. ... I'm going to turn into fucking DSP here. WOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] "It's okay when we block people because we don't like their opinions or the way they ask us questions, but when you do it it's blocking reasonable critique!" [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] Have any pro-GG personalities felt unsafe enough to leave their homes yet? I'm curious as to what the anti-GG reaction would be. I'm presuming silence, failing that some kind of sick justification.

What's this bullshit about "not hiring enough women" anyway? If they hire applicants based on their skills and there are less female applicants, of course there will be less female employees. Unless it can be proven that the company uses discriminating selection methods, I don't see how you can say they're unfair to women by just looking at the amount of female employees.

Completely unrelated to GG, but those people sure don't know how to lay low.

I think this is related because it simply shows what kind of people we are dealing with - batshit insane.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46721166]Complaints against the Oculus rift team [img]http://i.imgur.com/uTzKyW2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Jesus christ Wu is an idiot

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46721434]I think this is related because it simply shows what kind of people we are dealing with - batshit insane.[/QUOTE] That's not gonna help us.

You can't claim to be 'managed by community' if you cherry pick. And you cherry pick fucking shovelware over something that doesn't even have much info about it. I agree wholeheartedly that stuff that looks suspiciously like a scam (and Hatred, to be frank, kinda does, but less so than most), but do that with everything then. Fine, Valve, you have showed us that you are capable of content management shit that gets greenlit. Now content manage it. If there wasn't a big stink in the media over this, mainstream media that is, our subjects here, Hatred wouldn't even be noticed in there. And that's exactly what pisses me off. Valve shows that they value consumers kinda less than gaming press, and that's okay I guess, they're business, but how about dropping the pretense then? How much independent media personalities like TB or even Sterling complained on our behalf about Steam's policies in their quality checking (lack thereoff)? For two years now? And nothing. But if fucking Kotaku kicks up a fuss, that's big deal, that requires executive measures. Sorry for kicking it up again, I just really want to get that out I guess.

[QUOTE=gudman;46721533]You can't claim to be 'managed by community' if you cherry pick. And you cherry pick fucking shovelware over something that doesn't even have much info about it. I agree wholeheartedly that stuff that looks suspiciously like a scam (and Hatred, to be frank, kinda does, but less so than most), but do that with everything then. Fine, Valve, you have showed us that you are capable of content management shit that gets greenlit. Now content manage it. If there wasn't a big stink in the media over this, mainstream media that is, our subjects here, Hatred wouldn't even be noticed in there. And that's exactly what pisses me off. Valve shows that they value consumers kinda less than gaming press, and that's okay I guess, they're business, but how about dropping the pretense then? How much independent media personalities like TB or even Sterling complained on our behalf about Steam's policies in their quality checking (lack thereoff)? For two years now? And nothing. But if fucking Kotaku kicks up a fuss, that's big deal, that requires executive measures. Sorry for kicking it up again, I just really want to get that out I guess.[/QUOTE] They don't give a shit about the quality, jesus titty fucking christ get that in to your damned skulls, it has nothing to do with quality or content or anything. They don't give a fuck about the press's approach, none of that shit. They just cannot endorse a fucking game whose developers themselves have said its about mass murder. They are not going to let a game that only exists to glorify mass killings, and whose devs are quite happy to push that angle, represent them. That's what any smart person or business would do. It has nothing, fuck all, to do with the press making a fuss or whatever. If they cared about that, many, many other games would've been removed long before hand because, as you say, people have been complaining about many of them for a long time. This isn't because of that, goddamn. It doesn't even take much thinking to realize this. You can run over all possibilities in your head, then realize the notion they're doing it because people complained it dumb, that the notion that its because the press made a fuss is dumb, and that the notion that its because it contains violence is dumb. Its as simple as this: They will not endorse mass murder. Thats it. Christ, you all flipped in an instant. "Devs/Publishers shouldn't be pressured or forced to do something or change just because the masses don't like it." "That game SJWs don't like got rejected from being published? Damn the publisher for it! Fuck their choice in how they wish to be represented, they should do it because I feel thats what they should do." This is the first time I have legitimately seen an indication of a mass of people not giving a damn about anything more than just getting back at SJWs and looking to spite them.