Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.

[Tamschi]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46762038]Pixel Goth Deleted her entire twitter (edit back up)

but before she did she posted this

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9dW9kk9.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

The nice part about actions like this is that they have no way of consistently banning stuff like 8chan in the long run.
Even in the worst case, Brennan just has to focus the Patreon page on the GitHub development, which (apart from the name) doesn't seem to link to 8chan as a site.
They'd have to do serious mental gymnastics to keep it offline without getting widely slammed for inconsistency.

Even if it happens, people can just use PixelGoth's self-host-patronage Wordpress thing ([URL="http://athemes.com/collections/best-crowdfunding-wordpress-themes/"]or any of the other ones[/URL], in case she stops developing it).

I can see Sargon get into trouble about his more less than good arguments though, which isn't necessarily a terrible thing.
(But normally they should be allowed. What he does is slightly insulting at times but not outright hate speech as far as I can tell. Apart from that 25 reasons video that is.)

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46762365]chu is referring to this [url]http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Dark_arts[/url] as what he does[/QUOTE]

also, in context, he is talking about argumenative techniques, that "the ends justify the means", specifically that spreading disinformation is a good thing to do if it will help you "win"

[Miya]

[url]https://archive.today/44d6h[/url]

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46762416][url]https://archive.today/44d6h[/url][/QUOTE]

so she is saying to beat gamergate, agg should pretend it doesn't exist? i guess that would get rid of the distraction, letting more light shine onto the cockroaches of gaming journalism instead of onto the "celebs" of agg

[ithon]

moral boost, FTC mini videos

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6SQOy1ukDQ[/media]

Oh and some shit on Ouya and some other stuff:
[url]http://pastebin.com/UZ064in7[/url]

why is there a games journalism prize?

[Diet Kane]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;46762040]"When you tell me "Be safe" I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that."[/QUOTE]

it must be so hard for her to cry into those piles of trust fund bucks

[G-Strogg]

It would be great if they did because if so that means we would stop having to defend ourselves from various claims 24/7 and that in turn would make sure we don't accidentally commit something that supports those claims.

[Tamschi]

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;46762528]it must be so hard for her to cry into those piles of trust fund bucks[/QUOTE]

We don't know for sure if that's the case though. It's possible her parents stopped giving her that much money when she used up those 100k and nothing came from it.

[JesseR92]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46762416][url]https://archive.today/44d6h[/url][/QUOTE]

What the hell is her version of attention?We just want to be left alone not mocked and smeared having labels thrown at us constantly.

If they had not taken the term gamer that a lot of people from many different walks of life and decide hey that is what we will refer to scumbags as it wouldnt have blown up.

When I look at it its people who decided a stereotype about gamers was completely true and wanted to change that in possibly the most vile and terrible way possible,by tearing them all down and browbeating them into submission,and then replacing them with people only they approve of.

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46762543]It would be great if they did because if so that means we would stop having to defend ourselves from various claims 24/7 and that in turn would make sure we don't accidentally commit something that supports those claims.[/QUOTE]

looking through the blocklist its actually hard to find people who have had any interaction with Anti-gamers at all.

I say Anti-gamers as its not even about gamergate or them I honestly believe they think all gamers are terrible horrible people,why would they fight so hard to tear them all down?

[Flak]

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46762543]It would be great if they did because if so that means we would stop having to defend ourselves from various claims 24/7 and that in turn would make sure we don't accidentally commit something that supports those claims.[/QUOTE]
They injected themselves into the debate and then promptly shoved their heads into the sand before we could get a word out. As far as I'm concerned they're welcome to leave any time.

In the meantime, how about a potential new OP? I was wondering how you guys would feel about reclaiming the title of "feminist"? I imagine it would be a great morale boost (especially for female supporters) while also resulting in an absolutely hilarious SJW shitstorm. And no attack on anything or anyone is necessary. Simply an "I'm a feminist and I support women in gaming and the industry" type of mass move. I figured I'd discuss the idea here before trying to make a proposition on 8chan/KiA.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;46762637]If they had not taken the term gamer that a lot of people from many different walks of life and decide hey that is what we will refer to scumbags as it wouldnt have blown up.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I had in mind, but instead of "gamer" we do "feminist". Only make it less "death of feminists" and more "we are feminists": instead of designing it as an argument against them (like "death of gamers" was to us), write as if they don't even exist at all. Do not acknowledge their existence, completely reclaim the language, and just laugh as they try to play gatekeeper.

[JesseR92]

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;46762674]They injected themselves into the debate and then promptly shoved their heads into the sand before we could get a word out. As far as I'm concerned they're welcome to leave any time.

In the meantime, how about a potential new OP? I was wondering how you guys would feel about reclaiming the title of "feminist"? I imagine it would be a great moral boost (especially for female supporters) while also resulting in an absolutely hilarious SJW shitstorm. And no attack on anything or anyone is necessary. Simply an "I'm a feminist and I support women in gaming and the industry" type of mass move. I figured I'd discuss the idea here before trying to make a proposition on 8chan/KiA.[/QUOTE]

I dont know if I could call myself a feminist more or less im kind of not being a dick or closed minded person in general,but ill support that because its not doing either of those.

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;46762674]
This is exactly what I had in mind, but instead of "gamer" we do "feminist". Only make it less "death of feminists" and more "we are feminists": instead of designing it as an argument against them (like "death of gamers" was to us), write as if they don't even exist at all. Do not acknowledge their existence, completely reclaim the language, and just laugh as they try to play gatekeeper.[/QUOTE]

It would be nice to enorce the message you dont need to tear others down to build yourself up.I mean people who preach that as part of feminism are truly frightening.

[Flak]

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46762700]It would be nice to enorce the message you dont need to tear others down to build yourself up.I mean people who preach that as part of feminism are truly frightening.[/QUOTE]
I feel like, at least on the SJW front, this is the whole point of contention. GG supporters want to see creativity and diversity, while AGG seems to want only certain parts of that dream, especially if white cishet men are involved in any fashion.

In all fairness you do get the occasional "don't inject politics into my game" people on the GG side but I think most of them don't mean it that way. With some context it's usually more like "don't let politics ruin my game" and they either couldn't articulate the point or haven't thought far enough into what they're arguing about to make the distinction. You also almost never see these people anymore because they either got educated, stopped caring, or are redpills disillusioned with GG for not being as nutty as they are.

[JesseR92]

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;46762753]I feel like, at least on the SJW front, this is the whole point of contention. GG supporters want to see creativity and diversity, while AGG seems to want only certain parts of that dream, especially if white cishet men are involved in any fashion.

In all fairness you do get the occasional "don't inject politics into my game" people on the GG side but I think most of them don't mean it that way. With some context it's usually more like "don't let politics ruin my game" and they either couldn't articulate the point or haven't thought far enough into what they're arguing about to make the distinction. You also almost never see these people anymore because they either got educated, stopped caring, or are redpills disillusioned with GG for not being as nutty as they are.[/QUOTE]

Politics in games is ok as long as it doesnt treat the game as purely a platform for the message thats the reason for a lot of poorly written characters and stories its a part of it not its defining characteristic.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46762793]Politics in games is ok as long as it doesnt treat the game as purely a platform for the message thats the reason for a lot of poorly written characters and stories its a part of it not its defining characteristic.[/QUOTE]

i mean, companies can make any kind of game they want but if they make one like that they shouldn't be praised for it

[JesseR92]

The term redpill,what are you referring to when you say that I am really more familiar with the term from the matrix and that one subreddit.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

as long as it isn't "yes, a vast majority of games are like that" and there's no mass applause for the games that are like that, then it should be fine.

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=Ziron;46762379]LOL the Al-Jazeera article cited Borderlands as an example of minority representation done right. Almost all of it's minority characters are poorly written characters that have their gayness front line and center as if it was THE most defining part of who they are. The only exception is Sir Hammerlock.
[/QUOTE]
I can't think of any characters off the top of my head that I would say are defined by their sexual identity. There are plenty of characters that state or reference their sexual identity but it's not like there aren't plenty of references to heterosexual relationships either.

[Lonestriper]

is this even about ethics or corruption i mean seriouslt what have yoy dun it looks like your all drowning in irrelenvancly. do i even care about gamergate it sounds like boring shit for nerds

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

Barbabra Streisand

[FunnyGamer]

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;46762989]is this even about ethics or corruption i mean seriouslt what have yoy dun it looks like your all drowning in irrelenvancly. do i even care about gamergate it sounds like boring shit for nerds

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

Barbabra Streisand[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your input, friend. I have forwarded your concerns to the CEO Head Leader of Gamergate.

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;46762989]is this even about ethics or corruption i mean seriouslt what have yoy dun it looks like your all drowning in irrelenvancly. do i even care about gamergate it sounds like boring shit for nerds

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

Barbabra Streisand[/QUOTE]
Friends don't let friends drink and post.

[editline]21st December 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46763101]Thanks for your input, friend. I have forwarded your concerns to the CEO Head Leader of Gamergate.[/QUOTE]

You mean Hitler right?

[Mecha Pirate]

Hitler is simply an understudy at this point, rolling in his grave. We are clearly the face of evil here, guys.

[Mickyan]

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46762397]I can see Sargon get into trouble about his more less than good arguments though, which isn't necessarily a terrible thing.
(But normally they should be allowed. What he does is slightly insulting at times but not outright hate speech as far as I can tell. Apart from that 25 reasons video that is.)[/QUOTE]
If calling someone an idiot is all it takes to get your page taken down patreon's going out of business in a matter of weeks

And don't take that email as if patreon's bending to the SJWs, we don't know what kind of changes to the guidelines they're planning but all signs point toward them just making it more obvious what is and isn't ok, not that it will necessarily affect 8chan and the like

[truckilles]

I saw a bit of "news" that I feel worse for knowing about because the ordeal is stupid. And it's not specifically related or relevant to gamergate but hear me out.

There is some sort of feud or argument between 2 rap artists, Iggy Azalea and Azealia Banks (not about too similar names, surprisingly) because of cultural appropriation, blah blah blah. They've dissed each other. Well the "hacking collective anonymous" is demanding that Iggy apologize (I guess Iggy said negative somethings about the #blacklivesmatter movement) or they'd release the sex tape she made, or confirm it exists (which technically they've done I suppose), or release pictures ("non naked") which show it's her, or otherwise "expose corruption" (ringing a bell anyone?)

Here's an [URL="https://archive.today/DOhGe"]MTV article[/URL] and "anonymous" is claiming the article is a distortion but there's a few tweets that still stand like [URL="https://archive.today/ijPQy"]this[/URL] and[URL="https://archive.today/UiQ7v"] this[/URL].

So what does this have to do with gamergate? Well note the similarities.

#blacklivesmatter is another activist hashtag (among others) trending right now, primarily related to the deaths at the hand of police of black men. People are using a twitter hashtag to discuss a specific issue on twitter... 'twitter activism' essentially and a number of people support the hashtag and post to it. (and there are other twitter hashtags on this subject as well).

The actions of some people within a given movement/hashtag/etc. are generally not considered to be reflective of the entire movement- I haven't viewed all (or any to be honest) #blacklivesmatter tweets but I'm sure some idiots have posted under that tag with asinine statements & some people who support #blacklivesmatter have said ridic things on twitter during this time frame. I don't see a concerted effort to dismiss the hashtag as _____-ist or -ism. (insert pejorative of choice)

I haven't seen media efforts to paint #blacklivesmatter as being tied to what @theanonmessage has said and view them as reflective of the entire movement but some random twitter user with fewer than 10 tweets (AND NEVER SAID #GAMERGATE) who threatens Mojo Jojo is reflective of the #gamergate movement.

"anonmessage" isn't being attacked for misogynistic attacks/harassment on Azalea the way any critics of Mojo Jojo are, despite "anonmessage" having the exact same origins as "gamergate" (born out of halfchan) and despite specifically attacking Iggy (and what can be argued as being a form of "slut shaming"). With remarks like " the memory of you will burn from the public faster than the moment you surfaced. " do you think Iggy ought to be as worried about her personal safety as Mojo Jojo because of what that youtube video said? MJ at least has a face to look for to know "if I see this guy I better run".

Anyway that's all I had about this.

[Flak]

[QUOTE=Mecha Pirate;46763339]Hitler is simply an understudy at this point, rolling in his grave. We are clearly the face of evil here, guys.[/QUOTE]
We're not "Hitlerbad", he's "Gatorbad". He just didn't know at the time.

Also is everyone posting in this thread over the past day drunk? I barely understood anything that has been said on this page.

[G-Strogg]

[QUOTE=truckilles;46765399]I saw a bit of "news" that I feel worse for knowing about because the ordeal is stupid. And it's not specifically related or relevant to gamergate but hear me out.

There is some sort of feud or argument between 2 rap artists, Iggy Azalea and Azealia Banks (not about too similar names, surprisingly) because of cultural appropriation, blah blah blah. They've dissed each other. Well the "hacking collective anonymous" is demanding that Iggy apologize (I guess Iggy said negative somethings about the #blacklivesmatter movement) or they'd release the sex tape she made, or confirm it exists (which technically they've done I suppose), or release pictures ("non naked") which show it's her, or otherwise "expose corruption" (ringing a bell anyone?)

Here's an [URL="https://archive.today/DOhGe"]MTV article[/URL] and "anonymous" is claiming the article is a distortion but there's a few tweets that still stand like [URL="https://archive.today/ijPQy"]this[/URL] and[URL="https://archive.today/UiQ7v"] this[/URL].

So what does this have to do with gamergate? Well note the similarities.

#blacklivesmatter is another activist hashtag (among others) trending right now, primarily related to the deaths at the hand of police of black men. People are using a twitter hashtag to discuss a specific issue on twitter... 'twitter activism' essentially and a number of people support the hashtag and post to it. (and there are other twitter hashtags on this subject as well).

The actions of some people within a given movement/hashtag/etc. are generally not considered to be reflective of the entire movement- I haven't viewed all (or any to be honest) #blacklivesmatter tweets but I'm sure some idiots have posted under that tag with asinine statements & some people who support #blacklivesmatter have said ridic things on twitter during this time frame. I don't see a concerted effort to dismiss the hashtag as _____-ist or -ism. (insert pejorative of choice)

I haven't seen media efforts to paint #blacklivesmatter as being tied to what @theanonmessage has said and view them as reflective of the entire movement but some random twitter user with fewer than 10 tweets (AND NEVER SAID #GAMERGATE) who threatens Mojo Jojo is reflective of the #gamergate movement.

"anonmessage" isn't being attacked for misogynistic attacks/harassment on Azalea the way any critics of Mojo Jojo are, despite "anonmessage" having the exact same origins as "gamergate" (born out of halfchan) and despite specifically attacking Iggy (and what can be argued as being a form of "slut shaming"). With remarks like " the memory of you will burn from the public faster than the moment you surfaced. " do you think Iggy ought to be as worried about her personal safety as Mojo Jojo because of what that youtube video said? MJ at least has a face to look for to know "if I see this guy I better run".

Anyway that's all I had about this.[/QUOTE]

Which is why Twitter needs to go.

[JesseR92]

What's the BAC for q PUI anyways?

Somewhere society lost its head where being offended puts you on an alter above all criticism where for some reason emphasis on sexuality,race,gender,and political leaning than the actual message .

There are people saying the mass slaughter of people with differing opinions and no one is saying its a horrendously vile thing to say,yet want to be mollycoddled every time someone sharing a characteristic with them is criticised.

[SelfishDragon]

Spread this: [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q0412/a_message_to_gamergate/[/url]

Gets a point across of us not being gamergate but the event/scandal is gamergate. The scandal of the journos turning agaisnt their own consumers, which started the word gamergate.

We are Gamers, and the SJWs are anti-gaming/anti-gamers

Doing this forces the SJWs to confront the facts of the scandal, and then the journos themselves will begin to attack us as Gamers again, once again alienating and turning agaisnt their own audience.

[Ayane-152]

Ladies & Gentlemen, from the same people who keep telling us that we're the ones that need to grow up, its video game journalism!!!

[B]NSFW[/B]

[url]https://archive.today/7lJYp[/url]

[Miya]

hotwheels was told by patreon that he can no longer use patreon to support 8chan.

[URL]http://pastie.org/9793622[/URL]

so Hotwheels agreed and decided to change his patreon to support him uploading videos of his cat every week:

[URL]http://www.patreon.com/user?u=162165[/URL]

for 8chan support, use gratipay now

[url]https://gratipay.com/infinitechan/[/url]

[joshuadim]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46762195]

check this out

[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/laEd278.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]

Jontron is labeled as silenced, why?