Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46777560]Is this real? Is this happening? Common Core isn't a "education group", it's a set of national standards for K-12 education. It has it's problems but being a leftist plot by the SJW feminazis to insert political correctness indoctrination in our childrens brains and therefore ruining video games forever is not one of them. Don't go to the link above and help in on the research. Do the research yourself. Don't get pulled into an insane right-wing conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with ethics in games journalism.[/QUOTE] It was spearheaded by a couple of different groups so I can understand his confusion. Realistically the take away from this is that politicians learned nothing from No Child Left Behind.

[QUOTE=Xonax;46777396]I keep seeing Mike Cernovich pop up and I remember reading about him a while ago but I forgot his stance, is he Pro or Anti? And what connections does Mike and Srh have?[/QUOTE] Very much [del]pro[/del] anti-anti, and he's going to sue a few antis early next year for publicly calling for filing false police reports against him. A ton of anti-GG is extremely angry about him.

[QUOTE=Zet;46776470]In other news, an aGG person collects CP and reports on it: [url]https://archive.today/V6t17[/url] I sure hope he doesn't drop the soap when he goes to prison for possession of CP.[/QUOTE] Damn, that's fox-news tier deceitful, none of them are CP. I don't like the boards myself, but it makes the FBI's job easier. With all the heat that 8chan is getting, they probably have a sting operation set up already.

Some of you may remember the "Facepunching Gamergate" streams we did. Now, on the very first episode Phil said: [URL="https://t.co/LZ4P91zxC6"]"That's like saying the whole point of Hotline Miami is to kill as many people as possible for the fun of it."[/URL] That was on the 19th of October, roughly 2 months ago. Last week Jonathan Mcintosh tweeted this: [URL="https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/545156103567200257"]"Hotline Miami's message is murdering = super fun!"[/URL] Jon, plz.

People like Anita and Josh are using the past arguments that violence in video games make people violent in real life yet gaming news sits still don't say anything. I can't stand how they're giving a literal moron a platform and calling her an expert.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46777685]Very much [del]pro[/del] anti-anti, and he's going to sue a few antis early next year for publicly calling for filing false police reports against him. A ton of anti-GG is extremely angry about him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46777553]He's not so much pro as he is completely and utterly sick of aGG's shit. He got harassed by them and decided that fuck it, 2 can play this game. Except he's actually following through. :v:[/QUOTE] Ah I see, so srh isn't really connected to Mike in anyway, and the stuff Mike said in the last tweet was referencing how he will probably contact the police on srh. This is correct right?

[t]http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9521920/New%20folder/incaseofshut.png[/t] From a current thread in /gamergate/. [url]http://8chan.co/gamergate/res/115674.html#q115785[/url] If it's not down yet. [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sconqh[/url] Found the original twitlong.

[QUOTE=uber.;46777823]Some of you may remember the "Facepunching Gamergate" streams we did. Now, on the very first episode Phil said: [URL="https://t.co/LZ4P91zxC6"]"That's like saying the whole point of Hotline Miami is to kill as many people as possible for the fun of it."[/URL] That was on the 19th of October, roughly 2 months ago. Last week Jonathan Mcintosh tweeted this: [URL="https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/545156103567200257"]"Hotline Miami's message is murdering = super fun!"[/URL] Jon, plz.[/QUOTE] hotline miami's message is "murdering people is really fun" like how (the film version of) starship troopers' message was "aliens suck and should be killed", the crucible was "little girls are total bitches", and gone home was "its ok to walk around a house". [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] surprised the weird twitter connection is just now being made, thought people knew about it from the start otherwise i would've made more mention of it

[QUOTE=Xonax;46777396]I keep seeing Mike Cernovich pop up and I remember reading about him a while ago but I forgot his stance, is he Pro or Anti? And what connections does Mike and Srh have?[/QUOTE] Lawyer in Cali, he's pro-gg and has had the LAPD SWAT team called on him, also he has [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randazza]one hell of a lawyer[/url]. Since he's a lawyer he calls AGG out on their illegal practices, which is why he was tweeting at one of the AGGers threatening to post child pornography.

He states all kinds of weird bullcrap to tick off aGG. These tweets are real, but I'm not sure if what sure if he's actually being serious or not, but a few GG opposers say otherwise. (there was another tweet of him saying that he was in his legal rights to say this stuff) [t]http://i.imgur.com/OzBgOL2.png[/t] [URL]http://vgkarchive.tumblr.com/post/105165810571/[/URL]

IIRC Hotline Miami has parts that actually question your actions and ask you about how you feel about what you're doing. Josh doesn't really know shit about much, does he?

[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46779111]IIRC Hotline Miami has parts that actually question your actions and ask you about how you feel about what you're doing. Josh doesn't really know shit about much, does he?[/QUOTE] He is one of those guys who watches a video of violent games online, stop it halfway and go "Oh wow, this game supports killing people for fun."

[QUOTE=Xonax;46779279]He is one of those guys who watches a video of violent games online, stop it halfway and go "Oh wow, this game supports killing people for fun."[/QUOTE] i doubt he even goes that far, he probably just looks at a screenshot before making generalizations

[QUOTE=No_0ne;46779290]i doubt he even goes that far, he probably just looks at a screenshot before making generalizations[/QUOTE] Probably just reads the gameplay part on wikipedia even.

The Poster of CP article is Canadian. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_Canada[/URL] [QUOTE]Child pornography laws in Canada forbid the production, distribution, and possession of child pornography and is punishable by up to 20 years imprisonment.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Prohibition covers the visual representations of child sexual abuse and other sexual activity by persons (real or imaginary) under the age of 18 years or the depiction of their sexual organ/anal region for a sexual purpose, unless an artistic, educational, scientific, or medical justification can be provided and the court accepts that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]It also includes the written depictions of persons or characters (fictional or non-fictional) under the age of 18 engaging in sexual activity. Courts in Canada can also issue orders for the deletion of material from the internet from any computer system within the court's jurisdiction.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The current law criminalizes possession of purely fictional material and has been applied in the absence of any images of real children, including to possession of fictional stories with no pictures at all, or vice versa, cartoon pictures without any stories.[/QUOTE] SRHbutts (Edit: Ian miles cheong and others too) distributed the article and thus distributed CP [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_United_States[/URL] [QUOTE]in 1994, the u.s. court of appeals for the 3rd circuit ruled that the federal statute contains no requirement that genitals be visible or discernible. the court ruled that non-nude visual depictions can qualify as lascivious exhibitions and that this construction does not render the statute unconstitutionally overbroad.[/QUOTE] there is a picture in the article that shows a girl obviously naked with her armpits showing despite no sexual genitalia showing (nipples, blah blah blah all that shit). above would fall in that law. whole article is pretty disgusting imo and immediately cleaned out my cache after viewing it.

They are his tweets,they are strange,but other than that are they sexist,racist, or homophobic?

[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46779027]He states all kinds of weird bullcrap to tick off aGG. These tweets are real, but I'm not sure if what sure if he's actually being serious or not, but a few GG opposers say otherwise. (there was another tweet of him saying that he was in his legal rights to say this stuff) [t]http://i.imgur.com/OzBgOL2.png[/t] [URL]http://vgkarchive.tumblr.com/post/105165810571/[/URL][/QUOTE] Not surprising to see MaxofS2D being the one to put up that image Of course they all laugh at their evidence that this somehow "oppresses" people yet ignore all the evidence of Anita's actual disinterest and hatred of popular games (To the point she admits to not even playing them) while touting herself as an expert on the matter, Zoe Quinn's confirmation that the chat logs where she abuses Eron are real, Mcintosh's several crazy ramblings, Arthur Chu's insane mindset, and Brianna Wu's dishonesty. Of course when any of these reasons are brought up it's always a deflection "THEY WERE HARASSED DON'T QUESTION THEM" or they have to do mental gymnastics. I don't even understand how after doing so much mental gymnastics to explain how all the terrible actions of these people are actually good things they can still repeatedly do it. I can explain Cernovich's tweets easy, he's being an assfuck. Of course if you add in logical fallacies you can say he represents all pro-gamers. Why are these people so allergic to rationality. It's still funny how the people who do play video games in their side were most likely "Video games don't cause violence!" until Josh told them how they actually do because he doesn't like them.

[QUOTE=Mecha Pirate;46778633][t]http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9521920/New%20folder/incaseofshut.png[/t] From a current thread in /gamergate/. [url]http://8chan.co/gamergate/res/115674.html#q115785[/url] If it's not down yet. [editline]23rd December 2014[/editline] [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sconqh[/url] Found the original twitlong.[/QUOTE] Not really sure why this is supposed to be a revelation; Sarkeesian's personal info was was given to the brazilian journalist by a goon who posted why on the forums in broad daylight; lowtax, mittani, Geist, Doc and Slowbeef are all openly #AGG, and not "faux hypocritical" #AGG, but actual #AGG, only follows form that many other people on the site are the same way.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46779801]whole article is pretty disgusting imo and immediately cleaned out my cache after viewing it.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's pretty fucked up what 8chan hosts under the auspices of "free speech"

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780038]Yeah it's pretty fucked up what 8chan hosts under the auspices of "free speech"[/QUOTE] the child porn part is actually illegal under 8chan rules anything that breaks US law gets thrown out immediately. its like calling 4chan a CP site when /b/ posts it daily to shock people.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46780069]the child porn part is actually illegal under 8chan rules anything that breaks US law gets thrown out immediately.[/QUOTE] They seem to have an enforcement problem then.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780077]They seem to have an enforcement problem then.[/QUOTE] not hard to tap f5 on certian boards to print screen and slowly gain "evidence" of stuff that gets removed quickly. hell he could of posted it himself if he wanted to if you have the right VPN's and Proxys.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780038]Yeah it's pretty fucked up what 8chan hosts under the auspices of "free speech"[/QUOTE] I cant believe twitter allows the KKK to have a twitter account. It's pretty fucked up what twitter hosts under the auspices of "free speech". You dont really know how chans operate do you?

[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46779831]Not surprising to see MaxofS2D being the one to put up that image Of course they all laugh at their evidence that this somehow "oppresses" people yet ignore all the evidence of Anita's actual disinterest and hatred of popular games (To the point she admits to not even playing them) while touting herself as an expert on the matter, Zoe Quinn's confirmation that the chat logs where she abuses Eron are real, Mcintosh's several crazy ramblings, Arthur Chu's insane mindset, and Brianna Wu's dishonesty. Of course when any of these reasons are brought up it's always a deflection "THEY WERE HARASSED DON'T QUESTION THEM" or they have to do mental gymnastics. I don't even understand how after doing so much mental gymnastics to explain how all the terrible actions of these people are actually good things they can still repeatedly do it. I can explain Cernovich's tweets easy, he's being an assfuck. Of course if you add in logical fallacies you can say he represents all pro-gamers. Why are these people so allergic to rationality. It's still funny how the people who do play video games in their side were most likely "Video games don't cause violence!" until Josh told them how they actually do because he doesn't like them.[/QUOTE] Not gonna lie, I've never been crazy about Mike, or anyone who has been trying to use GG as a platform. This goes for Milo, King, IA, all of them. There was a certain point where I was like "Ok, they can be useful." and then they would just go off the deep end with something. Sargon is probably the only one who has retained my trust because he hasn't done anything insane yet. Maybe a little off-the-mark when it comes to talking about subject matter, but nothing that I thought was completely fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46780093]not hard to tap f5 on certian boards to print screen and slowly gain "evidence" of stuff that gets removed quickly. hell he could of posted it himself if he wanted to if you have the right VPN's and Proxys.[/QUOTE] Yeah I mean I guess he could have posted it himself. Hell you could have posted it. We will never know. [QUOTE=Heldure;46780099]I cant believe twitter allows the KKK to have a twitter account. It's pretty fucked up what twitter hosts under the auspices of "free speech". You dont really know how chans operate do you?[/QUOTE] Comparing Twitter and KKK tweets to 8chan and fucking[B] child porn[/B] is insane. They are in no way the same thing. And I don't know how all chans operate, but I do know how 8chan operates. Child porn that would be illegal anywhere else is allowed because it barely skates over US law. Brennan said as much when he said that as long as it was "legal in the US" it was fair game. Absolutely disgusting. [QUOTE=Banned?;46780105]Not gonna lie, I've never been crazy about Mike, or anyone who has been trying to use GG as a platform. This goes for Milo, King, IA, all of them. There was a certain point where I was like "Ok, they can be useful." and then they would just go off the deep end with something. Sargon is probably the only one who has retained my trust because he hasn't done anything insane yet. Maybe a little off-the-mark when it comes to talking about subject matter, but nothing that I thought was completely fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I disagree with IA and he did kinda fall off the deep end before he quit doing GG stuff but his initial coverage was pretty good. Back when things were less murky he informed a lot of people. Milo is the type of people you should be vigilant for as a grassroots movement though. Openly derisive of video games and gamers but willing to back Gamergate when he saw how much outrage was against what he saw as leftist machinations.

You know that Hotwheels tried to regulate /dolls/ when the Daily Mail (or something, I forgot) openly advertised it to pedophiles right. Then he just nuked the whole board when real CP started to get posted and made it impossible to create a similar board. Hotwheels would never allow actual CP on 8chan.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780246] And I don't know how all chans operate, but I do know how 8chan operates. Child porn that would be illegal anywhere else is allowed because it barely skates over US law. Brennan said as much when he said that as long as it was "legal in the US" it was fair game. Absolutely disgusting. [/QUOTE] You dont know how any chan operates, that's pretty clear. What do you suggest he do then? Hire moderators? The site runs on donations and out of Brennan's own pocket afaik. I'm pretty sure he doesnt have the funding to hire paid moderators to comb over boards and remove things they dont like. I remember when 4chan was accused with the same arguments. Personally I don't care about these kiddy fiddlers and where they go or what they post because I can ignore it, but I've been through this already once and I know how it ended.

[QUOTE=Athlias;46780367] Hotwheels would never allow actual CP on 8chan.[/QUOTE] A statement like this seems to fly in the face of reality. He is perfectly fine with child porn, up until a certain point. [QUOTE=Heldure;46780412]You dont know how any chan operates, that's pretty clear. What do you suggest he do then? Hire moderators? The site runs on donations and out of Brennan's own pocket afaik. I'm pretty sure he doesnt have the funding to hire paid moderators to comb over boards and remove things they dont like. I remember when 4chan was accused with the same arguments. Personally I don't care about these kiddy fiddlers and where they go or what they post because I can ignore it, but I've been through this already once and I know how it ended.[/QUOTE] Oh you know how this has ended? How foreboding. Now I'm really worried about the imageboard that tacitly approves of child pornography. I don't know what he should do. I'm not his lawyer. What seems abundantly clear is that he has absolutely no interest in removing CP according to his own statements, because what would be child porn north of the border is "free speech" in the US.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780470]A statement like this seems to fly in the face of reality. He is perfectly fine with child porn, up until a certain point. [/QUOTE] What flies in the face of reality is your failure to recognize that an actual cp board violates US law where the 8chan servers are hosted. I guess "pedophile sympathizer" is the new "cis white male misogynerd" of the week. Like, don't you realize why this train of thought makes no sense? It's a chan where everything legal goes, what the fuck is wrong with that, if you want to change the rules then youll have to put your regulation through the gamut of congress (as shitty as it is).

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46780470]A statement like this seems to fly in the face of reality. He is perfectly fine with child porn, up until a certain point. Oh you know how this has ended? How foreboding. Now I'm really worried about the imageboard that tacitly approves of child pornography. I don't know what he should do. I'm not his lawyer. What seems abundantly clear is that he has absolutely no interest in removing CP according to his own statements, because what would be child porn north of the border is "free speech" in the US.[/QUOTE] Please, let's not turn this into another loli argument. The rule is that he removes stuff which is illegal in the US, and loli is not illegal in the US, therefore, whilst fucking gross, it's not removed.