Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread.
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[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46784885]Multiple websites started to disclose that they were given free shit for reviews after some US government thing confirmed they got a butt load of emails about it.
For a harassment campaign against females, we really lack results on that front. If Gamergate is all about that and such a huge threat, why are there still only four examples that keep being brought up and not more?[/QUOTE]
Because, if the Ultimate Authorities of Black-and-White Social Justice™ have decided that you are not a member of the Chosen Ones, it doesn't matter how much good you do, if somebody even vaguely associated with you does something bad then you are [I][B]literally Hitler[/B][/I]. Likewise, the aforementioned Chosen Ones can do no wrong, and any domestic abuse, harassment, racism, sexism or other bigotry is just a misunderstanding!
I feel like we're definitely at the part now where everything is beyond hope. GG could have been averted if either a) the internet is less crowded with idiots (haha, good luck on that) or b) if more public figureheads would have taken rational positions. But no, lots of jerks who either wanted to push their own agenda or just didn't really care decided to turn it into the the internet's biggest shitfest since god knows when.
And I dare anyone to give me the "You're just excusing harassment" bullshit. My statement applies both to parts of Anti and Pro.
I would say GG is reaching its goals, but it has definitely turned ugly.
since a pile of lawsuits and other legal matters are going to be initiated soon, it is going to get a lot messier.
[sp]might even get dirtier if the_goldbat was for real[/sp]
Like, I think anyone can agree that we aren't in an ideal situation.
I think the victories one take home from GG are personal. Like understanding that press doesn't have to work in the customers best interests even if it says it does.
Anyone not expecting the ugly doesn't deserve the good 'n' the bad.
How has it turned ugly? I thought this is what we wanted, Justice and getting rid of Corruption from the industry. Next year we might have a few people sued and/or in Jail, people who doxxed and threaten innocent people and try to claim it wasn't them, and acting victim.
[QUOTE=Xonax;46786696]How has it turned ugly? I thought this is what we wanted, Justice and getting rid of Corruption from the industry. Next year we might have a few people sued and/or in Jail, people who doxxed and threaten innocent people and try to claim it wasn't them, and acting victim.[/QUOTE]
The Patreon vagueness probably qualifies as ugly, but that's more the fault of that site's management.
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1443322[/url]
I would post it here but I don't know if it's been posted before.
gamergate's moral of the story: don't bite the hand that feeds you
Kotaku is hardcore backpedaling - there's no words that can stop what you said other then just fucking apologizing and admitting you were a total jackass.
A spiked article with too many amazing quotes :
[quote]Videogames are too violent! Pop music is degrading to women! Filmmakers are pushing ‘the wrong kind of message’! Over the past 12 months these have been the rallying cries of the cultural elite. And it’s shocking how seriously this spew has been taken. Hadn’t we settled all this? People aren’t stupid. Art isn’t ‘corrupting’. We can handle it, thanks. But now it seems the cultural sphere has been flux-capacitored back to the 1980s. Sex-and-violence panics about film, TV, pop music and videogames – dolled up in modern ‘progressive’ moralism – were all the rage in 2014.[/quote]
[quote]There’s nothing more annoying than having the same argument over and over again. Just when you thought artistic freedom had won out over the kneejerk blue-rinse brigade, we’ve been plunged back into discussions about [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/aug/23/will-age-rating-classifications-music-video-work"]age classifications for pop music[/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbfc.co.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/BBFC%20Classification%20Guidelines%202014.pdf"]tighter classification of films[/URL].[/quote]
[quote]This trend was best summed up by Brianna Wu, a games developer and one of the leading anti-#GamerGate missionaries. When asked by the BBC what ‘something’ she was insisting must be done, she said: ‘It’s not like I’m advocating that we ban[I]Call of Duty or anything silly like that. [What] I’m asking is for companies to… make sure they portray women in their games in a socially responsible way.’ It’s a seemingly well-meaning but actually quite chilling sentiment. And it feeds into an unedifying process by which artists are being elevated and trashed purely on the basis of how ‘responsible’ their work is.[/I]
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[quote][I]While the cultural colonialists may insist that what they are calling for is simply better art – for art that is free from tired, easy stereotypes and sexist myths – the opposite is true. Art needs freedom to flourish. It’s a space in which mindless fantasies can be indulged, or moral ambiguities prodded and explored, sometimes for no clear reason. Art, as Oscar Wilde famously said, is ‘quite useless’. The moment you try to make it useful, to hector it, straitjacket it and put it to work, its potency withers.
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[url]http://www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow/fsn_article/the-year-of-the-cultural-colonialist#.VJnOul4gAA[/url]
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Wasn't "The Fountain" created because the artist despised the "intellectual" elitist clique in the art community? I wonder if Hatred could be the equivalent of it. Both works seem to go into the extreme opposite direction of the expected clique. I'm going to check to see if Duchamp also received negative press that targeted his character.
[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46787110]Kotaku is hardcore backpedaling - there's no words that can stop what you said other then just fucking apologizing and admitting you were a total jackass.
A spiked article with too many amazing quotes :
[url]http://www.spiked-online.com/freespeechnow/fsn_article/the-year-of-the-cultural-colonialist#.VJnOul4gAA[/url]
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IMO critics should say that they're bad because those ideals overused, not because they're harmful and influencing, especially there's numerous studies that contradict each other. In some cases, it's true that questionable content is placed to give an idea to people, but that information won't automatically make people commit harm.
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46787556][t]http://i.imgur.com/EoVIAXy.png[/t]
[T]http://i.imgur.com/wgyYOnm.png[/T]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ownership_of_articles#Examples_of_ownership_behaviour"]Wikipedia:Ownership of articles[/URL][/QUOTE]
I'm curious, are opinion pieces in there too?
[QUOTE=Wii60;46787613][url]http://www.reaxxion.com/3344/first-amendment-lawyer-alleges-that-zoe-quinn-and-margaret-pless-tried-to-have-him-killed[/url][/QUOTE]
Damn that update.
[quote]spoke with Miss Pless via twitter this evening, and she called this article “libel” and spoke of filing a “defamation suit” against unknown parties, presumably including this author. I offered her the opportunity to write a response that I would link to, but she refused, and instead opted to respond in a series of unconnected twitter posts, which unfortunately I cannot link to here. (If anybody knows how to link unconnected twitter posts, can you post some instructions in the comments?)
She did, however, ask me to make two corrections. First, though she did tell readers to “report Cernovich’s threats to his local police department”, her links went to the LA Crimestoppers website. Secondly, she graduated college in 2012. [b]The significance of these corrections is left as an exercise to the reader.[/b][/quote] Emphasis mine
Wait, Mike Cernovich actually fled his home?
Because of harassment?
... Funny how that didn't make the news.
Chris Warcraft vs Play Dangerously
David Pakman to moderate
[URL]https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/547857787611787264[/URL]
please let this happen
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46787659]Wait, Mike Cernovich actually fled his home?
Because of harassment?
... Funny how that didn't make the news.[/QUOTE]
unlike a death threat from a twitter page, Swatting is actually dangerous. which makes no sense on why it hasn't been reported.
[editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
[url]http://tweetsave.com/superspacedad/status/547138064544301056[/url]
I'd rather have TB, but hey, at least it's something.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46787667][editline]24th December 2014[/editline]
[URL]http://tweetsave.com/superspacedad/status/547138064544301056[/URL][/QUOTE]
Holy crap, if that doesn't scream "pathetic" then who knows what is.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46787667][url]http://tweetsave.com/superspacedad/status/547138064544301056[/url][/QUOTE]
He didn't actually write that, a way too obvious aGG troll posted it and he fell for it
[t]http://i.imgur.com/YYOJ9az.png[/t]
"over sexualized characters turn most female players off from games"
Is the distinction really necessary? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "turn most players off from games"? Or do women have an anti-sexyness gene that only he knows about?
bikini girls do not exist
what the hell is a bikini
please dont hurt me
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46787965][t]http://i.imgur.com/YYOJ9az.png[/t]
"over sexualized characters turn most female players off from games"
Is the distinction really necessary? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "turn most players off from games"? Or do women have an anti-sexyness gene that only he knows about?[/QUOTE]
if you look at a woman and you consider her goodlooking, you are already literally raping her.
He does have a point tho.
Bikini armors are stupid because they're shit protection for the sake of style.
Not because they ~oppress~ women
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;46787931]He didn't actually write that, a way too obvious aGG troll posted it and he fell for it[/QUOTE]
Okay, that's even [I]more[/I] pathetic.
I just find the rhetoric that he uses to make his point really silly.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46787965][t]http://i.imgur.com/YYOJ9az.png[/t]
"over sexualized characters turn most female players off from games"
Is the distinction really necessary? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "turn most players off from games"? Or do women have an anti-sexyness gene that only he knows about?[/QUOTE]
I am okay with this, to be far there has been a lot of Over sexualized characters nowadays and I am starting to get sick of it, Male and Female.
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46787965][t]http://i.imgur.com/YYOJ9az.png[/t]
"over sexualized characters turn most female players off from games"
Is the distinction really necessary? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "turn most players off from games"? Or do women have an anti-sexyness gene that only he knows about?[/QUOTE]
I think it's because when you are a woman, seeing women being poorly represented is going to turn you off something, whereas that might not be so likely for anybody who's not a woman. It's not so much explicitly about women being sexualised- after all, if you're playing a section of a game set in a strip club, anything but is going to be odd- but it's when a certain group of people is treated like objects that some people get turned off from a game.
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