Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46817207]Here's a follow-up to some political-alignment survey: [url=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/12/29/editorial-gamergate-political-attitudes-part-1-movement-right-wing]Editorial: #GamerGate Political Attitudes, Part 1- Is The Movement Right-Wing?[/url] It's a somewhat interesting read.[/QUOTE] It's incredibly interesting. It shows how liberal and generally "leftist" a lot of video gamers are but disagree with the route "leftist" journalism has taken. He will probably break it down better in part two and totally invalidate what I'm about to say but I think that shows just how transparent some of these "social justice" types are. It shows that a lot of gamers are nuanced enough to appreciate things like LGBT rights and minority representation in games while also being able to call out sites like Kotaku and Polygon for their bullshit. It blows a hole clean through the AGG theory that #GG is formed up mostly of militant-right-wing cavemen who hate women and the gays and actually does it with facts rather than rhetoric.

The comments are hilarious on that article. Its mostly people coming in trying to say "Well, that's just what they claim!" or "They're not really liberals/leftists!" Ignore the like 89% in favor of LGBT right and the like 90% in support of clean energy, all these kinds of things. Basically, the typical "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU THIS DOESN'T CONFIRM MY BIAS!"

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46817455]The comments are hilarious on that article. Its mostly people coming in trying to say "Well, that's just what they claim!" or "They're not really liberals/leftists!" Ignore the like 89% in favor of LGBT right and the like 90% in support of clean energy, all these kinds of things. Basically, the typical "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU THIS DOESN'T CONFIRM MY BIAS!"[/QUOTE] I notice with those comments it's always "I saw [B]A[/B] tweet that said..." or "I saw [B]SOMEBODY[/B] say..." "So they aren't left." Once again this bullshit argument that "Because a minority portion of the group is right-wing the rest are as well." The arguments that they provide, for example, that because there are women/minorities in gamergate - "There were black people who wanted slavery too!" is bullshit. [quote]Yes, because they're going to come out and say it. Hey, guess what, there were blck people in favor of black slavery.[/quote] The arguments get more insane each time I read them.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46817244][url]https://8chan.co/gamergate/res/149585.html[/url][/QUOTE] Very nice. It's probably a good idea to read the thread in full before sending the report though (which I'll do later, [URL="https://archive.today/dzKSi"]so I archived it here[/URL]).

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46817361]It's incredibly interesting. It shows how liberal and generally "leftist" a lot of video gamers are but disagree with the route "leftist" journalism has taken. He will probably break it down better in part two and totally invalidate what I'm about to say but I think that shows just how transparent some of these "social justice" types are. It shows that a lot of gamers are nuanced enough to appreciate things like LGBT rights and minority representation in games while also being able to call out sites like Kotaku and Polygon for their bullshit. It blows a hole clean through the AGG theory that #GG is formed up mostly of militant-right-wing cavemen who hate women and the gays and actually does it with facts rather than rhetoric.[/QUOTE] I just saw that the raw data includes a lot more questions than mentioned in the article, very interesting: [url]https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rRMK0Jz-p_7PN7SBvQwcv-QDMChdjumssNzLZVmQLy0/viewanalytics[/url] Especially the parts about specific political issues are pretty telling. My favourite part: [quote]Political issues (1 = disagree entirely 5 = agree entirely) Gay marriage should be legal [img]https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=bvs&chs=345x180&chbh=24%2C6&chxt=x%2Cy&chxl=0%3A%7C1%7C2%7C3%7C4%7C5%7C1%3A%7C0%7C246%7C492%7C738%7C984%7C1230&chds=0%2C1230&chco=00d000&chxs=0%2C000000%2C12%2C0%2Clt%7C1%2C000000%2C12%2C1%2Clt&chd=t%3A64%2C23%2C92%2C131%2C1230[/img] Abortion should be legal [img]https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=bvs&chs=345x180&chbh=24%2C6&chxt=x%2Cy&chxl=0%3A%7C1%7C2%7C3%7C4%7C5%7C1%3A%7C0%7C199%7C398%7C597%7C796%7C995%7C1194&chds=0%2C1194&chco=9601ac&chxs=0%2C000000%2C12%2C0%2Clt%7C1%2C000000%2C12%2C1%2Clt&chd=t%3A93%2C66%2C146%2C238%2C997[/img] Opposing gay marriage or abortion should not negatively impact an individual's career or business venture [img]https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=bvs&chs=345x180&chbh=24%2C6&chxt=x%2Cy&chxl=0%3A%7C1%7C2%7C3%7C4%7C5%7C1%3A%7C0%7C176%7C352%7C528%7C704%7C880&chds=0%2C880&chco=0000e0&chxs=0%2C000000%2C12%2C0%2Clt%7C1%2C000000%2C12%2C1%2Clt&chd=t%3A62%2C76%2C187%2C336%2C879[/img][/quote] Overall it's a really good (read: interesting and not obvious) survey.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;46817361]It's incredibly interesting. It shows how liberal and generally "leftist" a lot of video gamers are but disagree with the route "leftist" journalism has taken. He will probably break it down better in part two and totally invalidate what I'm about to say but I think that shows just how transparent some of these "social justice" types are. It shows that a lot of gamers are nuanced enough to appreciate things like LGBT rights and minority representation in games while also being able to call out sites like Kotaku and Polygon for their bullshit. It blows a hole clean through the AGG theory that #GG is formed up mostly of militant-right-wing cavemen who hate women and the gays and actually does it with facts rather than rhetoric.[/QUOTE] I think a lot of it has to do with the type of leftism antiGG types promote. When I was a kid, I was taught that feminism was about empowering women so that they're equal. There was nothing about them being sniveling cowards that shrieked and cried whenever they were near men. The experiences I've had with women show they have their own thoughts and feelings instead of being wimps that breakdown like [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rR97YTNUR8]this[/url] whenever a guy says hi or is slightly mean to them, so the whole notion of them being perpetual victims that need their hands held strikes me as the ranting of someone that's very out of touch with women, even if the ranter is a woman herself. Honestly, the people that promote this type of leftism seem like they're promoting it because they're clinically depressed and broken people that have a huge chip on their shoulder and need to lash out at someone, not out of a genuine interest of helping others. I signed up to help give people a boost so they could be equal, not to passive-aggressively get revenge on someone that was mean to me in high school or college.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46817526]The arguments get more insane each time I read them.[/QUOTE] I don't know what should offend me the most, being called sexist or someone implying that I'm one of dozens of thousands of people part of a movement which after four months has failed to drive a single woman out of the games industry I take personal offence in the implication that I suck THAT much

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/T3IaGQM.jpg[/IMG]

Suck is a loaded verb and you shouldn't ever use it when speaking language.

from the rebuild initiative (gamergate supporting devs) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7DBDyJ1.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46818377]from the rebuild initiative (gamergate supporting devs) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7DBDyJ1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] They're just doing the smart thing, a.k.a. not having idiots on twitter scream "boycott!" as soon as they take either side. They're a business. They're in it for money. Don't forget that.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46818346]Hatred greenlit[/QUOTE] Not particularly interested in the game but one of the very few games I've ever greenlit, just because of the shit they had to go through and their extraordinarily mature response to all of it.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46818448]They're just doing the smart thing, a.k.a. not having idiots on twitter scream "boycott!" as soon as they take either side. They're a business. They're in it for money. Don't forget that.[/QUOTE] And there are people hurting their and other companies, it's possible IA's leaving statement on supporting extremists scared them away. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CULPtbETOL8[/media] I can't stand hearing it. :/

anti-gg does it again: [url]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/549713497161232385[/url]

Wasnt there a gross rating? We need it back its war warranted here.

[QUOTE=Ithon;46818483]I can't stand hearing it. :/[/QUOTE] Holy shit, Chris is such a condescending asshat. He's being proven wrong over and over but because he keeps interrupting and using fucked up logic he's forcing Mike on the defensive. Reminded me of that joke from Chris Rock where he's talking about women. Just change the pronouns a bit. "You can't beat the antis in an argument. It's impossible. You can't win. GamerGate is handicapped when it comes to arguments because they have a need to make sense".

[QUOTE=Wii60;46818563]anti-gg does it again: [url]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/549713497161232385[/url][/QUOTE] I am not sure I understand, who is the person that tweeted that picture? I tried reading their twitter page but It just made me feel empty and confused.

[img]https://38.media.tumblr.com/d73e06598eb328fbca13f6d331aee3ad/tumblr_nhd9vs43K51r1gyojo1_1280.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46817207]Here's a follow-up to some political-alignment survey: [url=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/12/29/editorial-gamergate-political-attitudes-part-1-movement-right-wing]Editorial: #GamerGate Political Attitudes, Part 1- Is The Movement Right-Wing?[/url] It's a somewhat interesting read.[/QUOTE] [quote]I find it hard to see how any movement that throws around the phrase "cultural Marxism" more often than Call of Duty players use racial slurs in voice chat can be anything but right wing.[/quote] Wunderbar.

So anti-GG put up a improperly moderated debate with Chris Kluwe to attack GG. Seems like this is backfiring on anti-GG though.

[QUOTE=froztshock;46819078] "I find it hard to see how any movement that throws around the phrase "cultural Marxism" more often than Call of Duty players use racial slurs in voice chat can be anything but [B]right wing[/B]." Wunderbar.[/QUOTE] Funny! IIRC, it was created by an actual socialist who used it to describe the method of bringing about socialism without violent revolution by invoking cultural and social change through out universities. More specifically, it was created by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School"]Frankfurt School[/URL] in the 1960's. It's used as an insult by most wings and spectrum as it describes indoctrination by rewriting history under a bias driven pen/keyboard. What is being done on the Gamergate article of Wikipedia is actually a method of cultural marxism, and using said phrase in this context is actually perfectly correct, as you are drafting someone's opinion by writing concepts and ideas to benefit your bias. It truly is a mystery as to why people think cultural marxism is some sort of new-aged concept brought about by the tea party. It's been around since the late 50's/60's.

[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46818799][img]https://38.media.tumblr.com/d73e06598eb328fbca13f6d331aee3ad/tumblr_nhd9vs43K51r1gyojo1_1280.png[/img][/QUOTE] [quote]Porn is a counterweight tat can't be [b]beat off.[/b][/quote] Oh you little boy you.

If alcohol, tobacco, and weed suppliers supported GG it would be a shit storm. 1920's all over again, except atheism+ is the new southern christian revivalist.

[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;46818799][IMG]https://38.media.tumblr.com/d73e06598eb328fbca13f6d331aee3ad/tumblr_nhd9vs43K51r1gyojo1_1280.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Porn sided with HD DVD and that did nothing to help HD DVD. Porn companies had issues with getting blu-rays replicated. HD DVD at least made that process a bit easier for them. By this time (2007/2008) porn was established enough on the internet that support for a physical format by porn didn't factor into the situation much at all. (that's all I disagreed with) [editline]29th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;46818695]I am not sure I understand, who is the person that tweeted that picture? I tried reading their twitter page but It just made me feel empty and confused.[/QUOTE] Oh geeze, I thought reading about Iggy Azalea and Azelea banks was bad. Reading @srhbutt's tweets is a lot worse. So liz F got tweeted by a GNAA troll. The GNAA troll printed out a picture of a tweet by "holly jolly spacedad" whose username I cannot tell and it's being alleged that the tweet (edit- not tween) never occurred. The GNAA troll took a picture and posted the resulting picture on twitter. @srhbutt is accusing liz f of not apologizing or making a correction because "spacedad" 's involvement is being alleged, as spacedad allegedly encouraged the GNAA troll to do his deed.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46818695]I am not sure I understand, who is the person that tweeted that picture? I tried reading their twitter page but It just made me feel empty and confused.[/QUOTE] She's Pro-GG and apparently someone AGG did this. However let me voice my concerns with these gross acts; I think all of these, aimed at either pro-gg or AGG are made by 3rd party trolls who have no interest in the controversy but to fuel the fire. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] Jizz picture aside however, some people from AGG treated her horribly after posting it. That's worth mentioning. [url]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/549760014530142209/photo/1[/url] The narratives are shifting a bit. This is similar to Wu's death threats which some tried to debunk and got shat on from AGG.

Statement from Angryjoe: [url]http://angryjoeshow.com/ajsa/topic/25598-final-ajsa-gg-thread-angry-joes-gg-position/[/url]

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46820524]She's Pro-GG and apparently someone AGG did this. However let me voice my concerns with these gross acts; I think all of these, aimed at either pro-gg or AGG are made by 3rd party trolls who have no interest in the controversy but to fuel the fire. [editline]30th December 2014[/editline] Jizz picture aside however, some people from AGG treated her horribly after posting it. That's worth mentioning. [url]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/549760014530142209/photo/1[/url] The narratives are shifting a bit. This is similar to Wu's death threats which some tried to debunk and got shat on from AGG.[/QUOTE] You should check out her TL. She shows a few pics of AGGers backpedaling like their life depended on it. [url]https://twitter.com/lizzyf620/status/549725925152419841[/url]

I'm sure if there was a picture for "pathetic" in the dictionary, A Man in Black would be a worthy candidate.

So he admits to being terminally stupid...

That's the case with 99% of that stuff. "See! Harassment!" "Oh wait, that was us? Anybody who falls for that troll is stupid! He doesn't represent us!" jesus fucking christ the hypocrisy meter is OFF THE CHARTS [editline]a[/editline] Total biscuit on harassment - oh boy! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eD5gP8w.png[/IMG] Some guy I have no idea who it is on engagement : [quote][URL="http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjj180"]"There's no "win condition" when engaging with or even giving attention to these people, especially when that attention and controversy is what feeds their egos.[/URL]"[/quote]