Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Glad I already read prequel, but I don't like it when artists get their heads wrapped in politics, regardless of what side their are on, I can't help but know that somebody isn't gonna read their stuff anymore who used to love it just because of their political ideologies. Of course you can just keep reading it and ignore their opinions, but it's hard, and it hurts. If you have had it happen to you, you know what I am talking about. Otherwise, I am glad they looked at it through evidence and not hearsay. [quote]GamerGate, whether you approve or disapprove of its actions, has almost always positioned itself as being a [I]choice[/I][FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#6e7173]. They show a lot of respect for people who weigh both sides, and usually remain confident that evidence will lead neutrals to their side. If someone opposes them, their first tactic is to try to dissuade them with reason. When they sought to emphasize their diversity, their method was opt-in: people wore the “#NotYourShield” tag by choice. These are refreshing design choices. [/COLOR][/FONT]The opposition, by contrast, has been… less accommodating to the idea of people thinking on their own. I’ve seen neutral parties attacked for even giving GamerGate the time of day, “for the good of women and the minorities!” is constantly thrown around no matter how hard people scream “no! You don’t represent me!”, and there is of course the idea, perpetuated by people like Tarason up at the top of this post, that anyone who opposes them has been indoctrinated and manipulated and is no longer in control of their faculties . [FONT=Arial, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=#6e7173][/quote][/COLOR][/FONT] This is something that I wholeheartedly believe in and have expressed multiple times in the past. The opposition gives the idea that you do not have choice and whatever you do, you are either with them or against them. Our group though, it feels likea [I]peopl-c[/I] group. Where we can make our own choices and not blindly listen to the next e-celeb on whatever they say. [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] Copy paste error

[QUOTE][Kazerad stuff][/QUOTE] Maybe someone should bundle these up and send them his way. Despite being somewhat notoriously all-seeing regarding mentions of his handle, I don't think Kazerad's topic alert powers extend beyond [URL="https://archive.today/xQfcJ"]Garry's anti-news-outlet-lawsuit/anti-drama barrier[/URL].

the writer behind Watch Dogs DLC [URL]https://archive.today/oX6h3[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/EthanJamesPetty/status/550546965675917315[/URL] [QUOTE]It looks to me like the most extreme anti-gamergaters are only creating more anti-anti-gamergaters who just end up siding with gamergate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46848859][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gamergate_controversy#Gamergate.27s_legacy"]Get ouf of my way I have a point of view to push.[/URL][/QUOTE] If Masem had control of the article, it may not be perfect simply because of the rules of wikipedia, but it would probably be a decent article.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46858694]the writer behind Watch Dogs DLC [URL]https://archive.today/oX6h3[/URL] [URL]https://twitter.com/EthanJamesPetty/status/550546965675917315[/URL][/QUOTE] seems, at the least, anti-anti-GG, at least to me [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] even seems proGG unless i am severely misreading

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46858824]seems, at the least, anti-anti-GG, at least to me [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] even seems proGG unless i am severely misreading[/QUOTE] yea i realized my mistake and fixed it.

[QUOTE=_Axel;46857436]But that actually gets things done, unlike pretending to care about these issues, so I don't see why it would actually matter. The KKK could be donating money towards charities, that doesn't mean they don't accomplish a good deed by doing so. How is donating to a cause "cheaper" than spending some of your own time helping? That money was earned by committing to one's work in the first place, so it's equivalent. Heck, it's probably even more efficient to donate money to trained professionals who'll make a more efficient use of it. And I don't even understand how "common" is supposed to be a criticism here. What, do we get bonus points by contributing to a cause in an original manner?[/QUOTE] So would your change your opinion of thr KKK if someone said that they donated a million dollars to orphans? Probably not. They might be "acomplishing good", but that wasn't what the original post about, it was a guy wanting people to convince him that they weren't "evil." Donating is cheap and common in the sense it's an easy and lazy way to look good that anyone can do, and thus is a pretty useless metric. It's pretty much a step above taking a picture of you cradling a baby.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46858940]So would your change your opinion of thr KKK if someone said that they donated a million dollars to orphans? Probably not. They might be "acomplishing good", but that wasn't what the original post about, it was a guy wanting people to convince him that they weren't "evil." Donating is cheap and common in the sense it's an easy and lazy way to look good that anyone can do, and thus is a pretty useless metric. It's pretty much a step above taking a picture of you cradling a baby.[/QUOTE] What if the KKK donated a million dollars to equal rights charities?

yeah money is expendable and cheap let's stop donating because it doesn't do anything and makes you look lazy

Its not that Gamers are donating to charity its that anti-gamers are actively condemning and attacking charities for accepting money from gamers.

well i weaponized 2 charities for nuclear harrassment get ready to aim them at san francisco and fire on my command edit: oh shit did i say that publicly

I swear it's like anti-GG think we're all billionaire businessmen who donate to charities to make ourselves look good No, we donate to charities because it's bloody important.

[QUOTE=Wii60;46846754] [url]https://archive.today/cJ4Ne#selection-2083.1-2083.66[/url] [/QUOTE] *lots of screaming*

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46859829]I swear it's like anti-GG think we're all billionaire businessmen who donate to charities to make ourselves look good No, we donate to charities because it's bloody important.[/QUOTE] If they are unprivileged and being given $200,000 for free imagine what we, privileged people, must be getting.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46860384]The amazing parts is that he is aGG.[/QUOTE] Nah, he's pretty much neutral. Which is exactly what a Wiki editor should be.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46860179]If they are unprivileged and being given $200,000 for free imagine what we, privileged people, must be getting.[/QUOTE] Poverty,debt,dead dreams,and a decade long struggle with depression? [editline]5th January 2015[/editline] No wait I am a Caucasian male never mind false alarm I am actually a billionaire who who lines the pockets of government officials to keep women down across the globe so I cant interact with them when I play online or at the local tabletop gaming meetups.

Apparently we now moved on to calling people who use a fucking hashtag terrorists? Seriously?

[QUOTE=uber.;46860614]Apparently we now moved on to calling people who use a fucking hashtag terrorists? Seriously?[/QUOTE] People have been calling gamergate terrorists since early september.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;46860630]People have been calling gamergate terrorists since early september.[/QUOTE] Well, Brianna Wu [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2rb5t9/espn_on_gg/cneq82l?context=3"]called[/URL] David Pakman "a dickhead", who is "totally uninterested in anything but himself". So that's new, I guess.

[QUOTE=uber.;46860845]Well, Brianna Wu [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2rb5t9/espn_on_gg/cneq82l?context=3"]called[/URL] David Pakman "a dickhead", who is "totally uninterested in anything but himself". So that's new, I guess.[/QUOTE] After the anti-GG interviews it became apparent what they thought of him,hell any interview involving people claiming to be leaders of anti-GG turns into a train wreck,hell any time Chris Kluwe,Arthur Chu,or Ian Miles Chong say anything more often than not its a trainwreck. They dont understand how to work at issues they just want to attack people until they go away ,look at Kluwe's original GG posting that is not a rational person.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46859422]yeah money is expendable and cheap let's stop donating because it doesn't do anything and makes you look lazy[/QUOTE] Again, the original question was somebody asking either side to convince them they weren't "evil," and saying some people donated to charity would mean fuck all to that end.

Donating my hard earned money to the less fortunate is pretty evil alright

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46861006]Again, the original question was somebody asking either side to convince them they weren't "evil," and saying some people donated to charity would mean fuck all to that end.[/QUOTE] i understand theres no arguing with you about this topic but if you were to look at this comparatively, which looks worse? 1. a group of people that donate to charity, or 2. a group of people that do not, and complain when group 1 donates to charity, advertises the popular kids in its own group, while asking people to donate directly to their wallets? you claim the hashtag supporters are no less evil because they give their hard earned money to the less fortunate and the foundations that can help the less fortunate, but then what does that say about anti-gamers? they've used #gamergate to hype up fear and scare, and using that get money from people in order to continue... not paying back-taxes?

I'm not sure if that's his point, but you really shouldn't judge a group/movement/organisation by how much money they donate. Unless that's their only goal, like AGDQ for example. [QUOTE=JesseR92;46860917]After the anti-GG interviews it became apparent what they thought of him,hell any interview involving people claiming to be leaders of anti-GG turns into a train wreck,hell any time Chris Kluwe,Arthur Chu,or Ian Miles Chong say anything more often than not its a trainwreck. They dont understand how to work at issues they just want to attack people until they go away ,look at Kluwe's original GG posting that is not a rational person.[/QUOTE] They pretty much don't do anything besides spreading toxicity on twitter. "Let me show you much I despise harassment by harassing people on twitter!" And as much as I blame those who, under the banner of GG, harass and threaten, I also blame them. I blame the prominent voices, who instead of calling for rationality, called for condemnation.

[QUOTE=uber.;46861262]I'm not sure if that's his point, but you really shouldn't judge a group/movement/organisation by how much money they donate.[/QUOTE] actually i'm not judging anyone for [b]how much[/b] they donate. because anti-gamers are [b]verbally opposed to donating to any charity thus far.[/b] i'm only trying to bring what mingebox considers "evil" into some sort of context, to better understand their point. if pro-gg was even pretending to care about the less fortunate, theyre still [b]giving.[/b] anti-gamers oppose giving to anyone other than themselves (or so we've seen thus far?) so that they can continue making people scared of a boogieman (or something that, proven by studies, doesn't exist). if pro-gg was evil, then what is anti-gg? how does mingebox then define "evil"?

Saying giving to charity is meaningless because it doesn't prove anything is pointless. If you are donating you are donating your hard earned cash, you don't know the financial situation of these people. The fact that so many of them are willing to give up their money just to prove to people they aren't bad, [B]by giving money to organizations they are allegedly hating upon,[/B] it does prove a point - you are trying to say you don't believe in that cause and you are giving money to up to prove it. They don't donate to random charities, they target specific ones that people claim they hate, as I said. When the people claiming that [I]don't[/I] donate to those charities it doesn't look great, does it? [editline]a[/editline] More stuff on people trying to get people fired from jobs : Real doxxing at it's finest. The audacity that news corp's don't pick this up but are willing to pick up anything else. [quote]I just got home from work so I am posting this a bit late.My work was called in September around the time Polarroller got fired. Before they said I was on the internet talking smack about intellectually disabled, calling them "retards". Since I work with them it would have been a grave offense, but luckily I have known my boss for many years and she knows I am not like that. Plus we discussed GG before and was aware of what was going on. Today my work was called again, They talked to the same boss and said I was a pedophile looking up photos on "4chan" (as they called it). My boss laughed at them and said "Nice try" have a nice day and hung up. Again, serious offense because I work with minors sometimes too. Both times would have got me fired from my job, a job I need badly to support my family. They could have suffered all because I support Gamergate and some asshole is so fucking bugged out by it that they have to take these types of measures. Not only that, in my position I work with people that so called SJWs want to protect and give rights too. I have grown amazing bonds with some awesome people and me getting fired would have been justice?[/quote] [editline]a[/editline] Vice recently: [URL]https://archive.today/ECKhZ[/URL] [quote]Vice to Gawker : Fuck you.[/quote] Seems like opinions are going to change at Vice after this one. [editline]a[/editline] Guy on reddit to a person who asked "Why should I care?" - what everyones response should be. [quote]You don't have to care, you don't even have to choose sides. All we ask is, if you don't want to fight for us, that you not participate in the same slander and libel as ghazi and the rest of the anti-squad.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;46861281]actually i'm not judging anyone for [b]how much[/b] they donate. because anti-gamers are [b]verbally opposed to donating to any charity thus far.[/b] i'm only trying to bring what mingebox considers "evil" into some sort of context, to better understand their point. if pro-gg was even pretending to care about the less fortunate, theyre still [b]giving.[/b] anti-gamers oppose giving to anyone other than themselves (or so we've seen thus far?) so that they can continue making people scared of a boogieman (or something that, proven by studies, doesn't exist). if pro-gg was evil, then what is anti-gg? how does mingebox then define "evil"?[/QUOTE]I never said anything was evil, learn some basic reading comprehension please.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46861502][quote]I just got home from work so I am posting this a bit late.My work was called in September around the time Polarroller got fired. Before they said I was on the internet talking smack about intellectually disabled, calling them "retards". Since I work with them it would have been a grave offense, but luckily I have known my boss for many years and she knows I am not like that. Plus we discussed GG before and was aware of what was going on. Today my work was called again, They talked to the same boss and said I was a pedophile looking up photos on "4chan" (as they called it). My boss laughed at them and said "Nice try" have a nice day and hung up. Again, serious offense because I work with minors sometimes too. Both times would have got me fired from my job, a job I need badly to support my family. They could have suffered all because I support Gamergate and some asshole is so fucking bugged out by it that they have to take these types of measures. Not only that, in my position I work with people that so called SJWs want to protect and give rights too. I have grown amazing bonds with some awesome people and me getting fired would have been justice?[/quote][/QUOTE] Is it possible to have the source of this? It would be good to post to help demonstrate that it's not just people who support Gamergate that are doxxing.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46862075]I never said anything was evil, learn some basic reading comprehension please.[/QUOTE] You still said that donating high amounts of money to charity was meaningless, which is bullshit. Actions are more important than alleged intentions.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;46862075]I never said anything was evil, learn some basic reading comprehension please.[/QUOTE] epic burn xd, friend but [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1421478&p=46858940&viewfull=1#post46858940]you directly compared gamergate to the KKK for the sake of debate[/url], so my original question i presented to you is still something i'm curious to hear your opinion on. if gamergate is to kkk, and let's say the kkk donated to charity, then what would you consider a group of people responding with "don't accept the kkk's money, they're evil, instead give the money to us, directly into our wallets"?