Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Reimu;45916748]Even "progressives" are often unhealthy people who freely use and abuse others for their own sport.[/QUOTE] "Progressive" is a political standpoint. How would that ever have anything to do with a given person's value as a human being, friend, SO or what have you?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45916810]i'm hoping that in a few years these people will look back and realize how horrible they have been but i know that realistically they'll just fall into an even tighter circlejerk and cum all over themselves, rubbing it in like a gooey false superiority[/QUOTE] Good god that is a mental image I didn't need. I'm gonna go be sick.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45916813]My policy has always been, if they can tell me straight to my face their favorite drink. They're a person I can hang with.[/QUOTE] Get on my level, scrub. People who don't even know me well tend to throw their garbage off their shoulders in my presence. Being this trustworthy-looking, I'm [b]never[/b] wrong about people I can trust. It helps to know to listen too. [QUOTE=Reimu;45916820] can't have a tight circlejerk without cutting off the loose ends, though. [/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, you kiss your mother with this mouth?

[QUOTE=Thlis;45916876]If you play games your garbage but if you make games your Jesus. :v:[/QUOTE] Know who made games? Jesus Know who played games? Hitler

[QUOTE=Craigewan;45916934]Good god that is a mental image I didn't need. I'm gonna go be sick.[/QUOTE] "love too harass pissbaby gamer shitnerds" they'll say, gargling it through a mouthful of irrelevant semen, "it gets me so hard" as they bend over and lick their own asshole

This is not the world of gaming professionalism I want to be a part of. :(

[QUOTE=Reimu;45917075]This is not the world of gaming professionalism I want to be a part of. :([/QUOTE] this is the world as i see it welcome to gnome-vision

If Max was still a mod would we have been censored like SA, Neogaf, and some subreddits?

[QUOTE=Fayez;45917101]If Max was still a mod would we have been censored like SA, Neogaf, and some subreddits?[/QUOTE] Unless any of the other mods cared about the issue enough to disagree with him, then definitely, yes.

[QUOTE=Fayez;45917101]If Max was still a mod would we have been censored like SA, Neogaf, and some subreddits?[/QUOTE] Having seen him in action when he was a mod? Definitely. We're just lucky that a lot of the hardline crazies he got along with have been banned, too (Such as Thisispain etc)

[QUOTE=Reimu;45916748]Yeah, coercion into an uncomfortable romantic/sexual situation is emotional abuse. A partner should respect the boundaries of their partner. Gee, you know what I learned these past two months? There are a lot of shitty people in the world. I was never one to be very trustful of others, but all this bullshit seems to reaffirm my belief that you have to be careful around other people. Even "progressives" are often unhealthy people who freely use and abuse others for their own sport.[/QUOTE] I was actually talking to a friend earlier about how the left and right are doing today (he does a lot of research into neo-reaction for his blog, they're fucking batshit in a strangely reasonable way). And I found that he's been pushed away from left leaning social ideals towards more conservative views due to how the newer "breed" of the left behave. Both sides do have these problems, but the younger leftists happen to be louder right now. The main issues we noted and came to agreement on were that there's a very obvious echo chamber provided through various places on the Internet (Tumblr for one, Reddit can get bad at times, we sometimes fall into it), where any remotely dissenting opinion is shot down pretty quickly and discussion just doesn't happen unless it's patting yourself on your back. And this only becomes more and more prominent as these insufferable assholes get louder and drive the older leftists out. The "getting angry on the behalf of others" people are these guys, not well read, reasoned social movement members, kids who are hopping onto them for some sense of self worth or popularity. I still consider myself on the left, the ideals are still just, but it's a shame that the newer generation of leftist are either hollow or stupidly obnoxious, and loud enough to drown out the right.

i got banned once for reporting max's shitposting while he was a mod :(

Max would have closed this thread. [QUOTE=Craigewan;45917162] We're just lucky that a lot of the hardline crazies he got along with have been banned, too (Such as Thisispain etc)[/QUOTE] We still have alot. They're just staying silent on this issue for some reason.

[url]https://soundcloud.com/user613982511/recording-xm-2014[/url] christ almighty

Speaking about Censorship: [url]https://soundcloud.com/user613982511/recording-xm-2014[/url] This is a recording with a Reddit mod that talks about the admins. There are automated codes for shadowbanning, banned words and secret admin IRCs even exchanging favors for AMAs. [img]http://puu.sh/bpDrM/81549fc01d.png[/img]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45917171]I was actually talking to a friend earlier about how the left and right are doing today (he does a lot of research into neo-reaction for his blog, they're fucking batshit in a strangely reasonable way). And I found that he's been pushed away from left leaning social ideals towards more conservative views due to how the newer "breed" of the left behave. Both sides do have these problems, but the younger leftists happen to be louder right now. The main issues we noted and came to agreement on were that there's a very obvious echo chamber provided through various places on the Internet (Tumblr for one, Reddit can get bad at times, we sometimes fall into it), where any remotely dissenting opinion is shot down pretty quickly and discussion just doesn't happen unless it's patting yourself on your back. And this only becomes more and more prominent as these insufferable assholes get louder and drive the older leftists out. The "getting angry on the behalf of others" people are these guys, not well read, reasoned social movement members, kids who are hopping onto them for some sense of self worth or popularity. I still consider myself on the left, the ideals are still just, but it's a shame that the newer generation of leftist are either hollow or stupidly obnoxious, and loud enough to drown out the right.[/QUOTE] I think this is really the nail on the head, and it took me so, so long to realize this. The echo chamber is a massive problem, and it leads to a real lot of misinformation and mobilization from privileged identities (essentially, privileged people weaponizing marginalized identities, then leaving the fight when marginalized identities are attacked. essentially using us as a shield. sound familiar? exactly what happened due to #GamerGate's privileged detractors). It becomes significantly worse when an abuser is at the center of the echo chamber. It becomes very easy for abusers to sanitize their actions and have others support/join in on abuse, and most social justice advocates who call out abuse are quick to have their credentials stripped away. That's why I usually build my SJ friendships and allies with myself in the center, instead of trying to sample different communities and blend in. It's better to have a decentralized hodgepodge of people who are respectful and healthy individuals, instead of merging into a gigantic echo chamber that isn't built for discourse, but, rather, self-affirmation. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;45917182]We still have alot. They're just staying silent on this issue for some reason.[/QUOTE] Probably because, unlike SRS and twitter, they realize this is an extremely complicated subject and you have to do a lot of research before making a conclusion. Again, really want to stress: most of SRSGaming has no fucking idea what's going on. Not even in the sense that they don't know about #GamerGate. No, most of SRSGaming doesn't even know the basic facts about TFYC, Maya Felix Kramer, Jenn Frank, Devin Faraci, Ouren, or ZQ's various other abuse survivors. A huge percentage of SRSGaming posters are just choosing one side and listening to all the information they provide, instead of remaining neutral and objectively looking at information that comes in from all angles. I've given up all hope on there, especially because a.) the mods started deleting my twitlong when it was posted, despite letting a bunch of "gamers are dead" posts flood the front page, and b.) mods banned Eron from the subreddit because he was trying to defend & explain himself. I don't have anything personal against the people who run SRSGaming, but they obviously see this issue differently from myself and the cards are kind of stacked against us now. So the end result is a lot of SRSers are staying the fuck out of SRSGaming until this blows over, while the other half circlejerk around how awesome Zoe Quinn is. Seriously, I cannot tell you how many SRS people messaged me and told me they were disappointed in SRSGaming. Things feel really unsafe on there right now. I replied to one post simply saying "I've talked to a lot of people in the industry, and things are worse than they appear on the surface," and I got downvoted very quickly. No one wants to admit that things are bad in gaming, they just want to pick a side they feel comfortable with.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45917171]I was actually talking to a friend earlier about how the left and right are doing today (he does a lot of research into neo-reaction for his blog, they're fucking batshit in a strangely reasonable way). And I found that he's been pushed away from left leaning social ideals towards more conservative views due to how the newer "breed" of the left behave. Both sides do have these problems, but the younger leftists happen to be louder right now. The main issues we noted and came to agreement on were that there's a very obvious echo chamber provided through various places on the Internet (Tumblr for one, Reddit can get bad at times, we sometimes fall into it), where any remotely dissenting opinion is shot down pretty quickly and discussion just doesn't happen unless it's patting yourself on your back. And this only becomes more and more prominent as these insufferable assholes get louder and drive the older leftists out. The "getting angry on the behalf of others" people are these guys, not well read, reasoned social movement members, kids who are hopping onto them for some sense of self worth or popularity. I still consider myself on the left, the ideals are still just, but it's a shame that the newer generation of leftist are either hollow or stupidly obnoxious, and loud enough to drown out the right.[/QUOTE] This thread is pretty much an echo chamber right now.

[QUOTE=Valnar;45917457]This thread is pretty much an echo chamber right now.[/QUOTE] Correct. I did say it's a common occurrence on both sides after all :v: It's very easy for it to happen if there's a sudden, huge, influx of people with similar views. I mean, shit, the echo chamber here got bad enough that people were happily accepting right wingers in it for a bit of PR into their "clique" without question because he was tweeting the right stuff. Both sides of GamerGate are incredible echo chambers, the guys defending Kotaku and other sites are more than happy to dismiss any criticism launched their way, resorting to insults instead. And the guys criticising seem to be very, very rarely letting the opposing side explain their side properly, and just calling them awful people. There's a few groups in the no mans land between the two who are trying to discuss things, and resolve the issues both sides have. But they are tiny, people are more interested in finding connections that may be totally meaningless, and creating infographics to shock and awe the undecided.

As slowbeef puts it, everyone walks away from this feeling frustrated.

[QUOTE=Valnar;45917457]This thread is pretty much an echo chamber right now.[/QUOTE] This is different from most gaming communities. You won't be banned for having a different opinion in this thread. When somebody is banned it isn't because of their views. Its because they're shitposting. People on the Sjw(?) side are posting in a news node thread exclusively.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45917568]This is different. You won't be banned for having a different opinion in this thread. When somebody is banned it isn't because of their views. Its because they're shitposting. People on the Sjw(?) side are posting in a news node thread exclusively.[/QUOTE] Great you don't get banned. Instead, if you're not treading the party line you get chased the fuck out of the thread. You guys have already tried it multiple times with me in the SH thread, and a few others have given up even trying because the guys in the SH thread just refused to be reasonable at all unless you were 100% against Quinn on every front. How is this different from deleting threads that go against the party lines? It's still a complete blockade on discourse. [editline]7th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Reimu;45917564]As slowbeef puts it, everyone walks away from this feeling frustrated.[/QUOTE] Slowbeef is truly a modern saint. Nah, but he's a pretty fucking ace guy from what I've seen of him.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45917467][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EyyxM7D.png[/IMG] [url]https://twitter.com/TheIvyClover/status/508690070367633408/photo/1[/url][/QUOTE] Fyi this is something that leaked last week in /r/games but this is important to know for the current reddit shitstorm.

In my opinion, he's the only one with his head on straight in this entire thing. It doesn't hurt, either, that he's much older than 3/5ths of the people involved in this, so he can smell bullshit from a mile away.

[QUOTE=Valnar;45917457]This thread is pretty much an echo chamber right now.[/QUOTE] To be honest, that echo chamber was formed here because of how of how users like Max responded.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45917601]Great you don't get banned. Instead, if you're not treading the party line you get chased the fuck out of the thread.[/QUOTE] Can you give me some examples? If you post in a thread where you have a minority opinion you're naturally going to get hit with a mountain of disagree's, dumbs, insults and counter-arguments.

[URL]https://pay.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/2fpdax/time_to_talk/ckbg4fh[/URL] the question: [QUOTE]Well, since we have you here, can you finally shed some light on the mass shadowbannings and censoring of a large amount of the Zoe Quinn content? Content that broke no rules? The Fappening happened right on that event's heels, and really made everybody forget all about it. I'd still like an explanation and for the mods/ admins at fault to be held accountable.[/QUOTE] 2 Responses: Alienth, who is sysadmin of reddit: [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/2fpdax/time_to_talk/ckbhi0a[/URL] [QUOTE]I've tried answering a few inquiries here and there, but a lot of people are more inclined to believe this was some massive conspiracy no matter what I say. The only thing the admins wanted to "silence" was the leaking of personal information. Given that several of the individuals involved were journalists with many parts of their lives already online, that made for some tricky calls. Some things we initially took down for being personal information became irrelevant because so many other "news" sources started running them openly. I personally didn't know anything about Zoe Quinn before all this other than her involvement with Depression Quest, and then suddenly every detail of her life and interactions with other people was getting regurgitated here. I initially would not have considered her or most of the individuals involved in the situation celebrities but many did have public presences on the internet. That made drawing the lines on what was considered personal information much more difficult and we took down some posts that contained information like home addresses, family names, and information of those who might be involved somehow but were otherwise private citizens. The mass deletions of individual comments were not done by admins or at our request. We did ban users for posting personal information or vote manipulation. Most of the vote manipulation was in the form of brigades from other sites or other subreddits, although there were a handful of users trying to use multiple accounts to vote. The situation was further complicated by groups of users from outside sites with their own agendas. We have never sat by and allowed brigades to dictate how posts are received on reddit. Yes, it's a bannable offense. It happens all the time on the site, and we take action against it then too. The only difference is that in those cases, the users tend to message us, figure out what the problem was, and often get a second chance. In this case, very few users contacted us. They are still welcome to do so.[/QUOTE] and Sporkicide, who is another admin of Reddit: [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/2fpdax/time_to_talk/ckbo3ax[/URL] [QUOTE]I've tried answering a few inquiries here and there, but a lot of people are more inclined to believe this was some massive conspiracy no matter what I say. The only thing the admins wanted to "silence" was the leaking of personal information. Given that several of the individuals involved were journalists with many parts of their lives already online, that made for some tricky calls. Some things we initially took down for being personal information became irrelevant because so many other "news" sources started running them openly. I personally didn't know anything about Zoe Quinn before all this other than her involvement with Depression Quest, and then suddenly every detail of her life and interactions with other people was getting regurgitated here. I initially would not have considered her or most of the individuals involved in the situation celebrities but many did have public presences on the internet. That made drawing the lines on what was considered personal information much more difficult and we took down some posts that contained information like home addresses, family names, and information of those who might be involved somehow but were otherwise private citizens. The mass deletions of individual comments were not done by admins or at our request. We did ban users for posting personal information or vote manipulation. Most of the vote manipulation was in the form of brigades from other sites or other subreddits, although there were a handful of users trying to use multiple accounts to vote. The situation was further complicated by groups of users from outside sites with their own agendas. We have never sat by and allowed brigades to dictate how posts are received on reddit. Yes, it's a bannable offense. It happens all the time on the site, and we take action against it then too. The only difference is that in those cases, the users tend to message us, figure out what the problem was, and often get a second chance. In this case, very few users contacted us. They are still welcome to do so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45917524]Correct. I did say it's a common occurrence on both sides after all :v: It's very easy for it to happen if there's a sudden, huge, influx of people with similar views. I mean, shit, the echo chamber here got bad enough that people were happily accepting right wingers in it for a bit of PR into their "clique" without question because he was tweeting the right stuff. Both sides of GamerGate are incredible echo chambers, the guys defending Kotaku and other sites are more than happy to dismiss any criticism launched their way, resorting to insults instead. And the guys criticising seem to be very, very rarely letting the opposing side explain their side properly, and just calling them awful people. There's a few groups in the no mans land between the two who are trying to discuss things, and resolve the issues both sides have. But they are tiny, people are more interested in finding connections that may be totally meaningless, and creating infographics to shock and awe the undecided.[/QUOTE] Its twice as funny when you realize that in all likelihood, some of the most vocal SJWers are actually Poe's Law white noise trolls.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45917601]Great you don't get banned. Instead, if you're not treading the party line you get chased the fuck out of the thread. You guys have already tried it multiple times with me in the SH thread, and a few others have given up even trying because the guys in the SH thread just refused to be reasonable at all unless you were 100% against Quinn on every front. How is this different from deleting threads that go against the party lines? It's still a complete blockade on discourse.[/QUOTE] The problem is that people always bring in misogyny, they drag in 'Well if Zoe was a man this wouldn't be happening'. The arguments are either over used, loaded questions or filled with assumptions. At the same time, this thread is literally [B]filled[/B] with borderline Illuminati Conspiracy theory bullshit about censorship and the like, when its really just corruption and people who are way to close to eacother. The other issue is that for a lot of websites, the stuff we're presenting would get ignored and removed/banned from reddit and the like. There are very few places that are willing to hold onto the facts and interviews that Reimu has posted. We do need to stop saying SJW, that needs to end because these people who are abusing others to seem superior on both sides are just assholes. End all be all, one doesn't represent real social justice and the other does have groups of conservatives and MRAs using this as ammunition to further their foolish endeavors.

gone home dev wakes from his slumber to act like a idiot [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fOFCUUP.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Morphology53;45917655]Its twice as funny when you realize that in all likelihood, some of the most vocal SJWers are actually Poe's Law white noise trolls.[/QUOTE] They have been retweeting my accounts for weeks, I've been manipulating them into a battle they cant win since day one lmfao.