Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;45947545]when the hell did you get demodded? holy shit I thought you've been dead for like two years[/QUOTE] Just after Hezzy left. Suprised cause I'm sure we've posted in a couple of the same threads. All this time you've not noticed? That leaves me feeling rather ungratified!

you were one of my favorite mods, I feel so terrible ;_;

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;45947586]you were one of my favorite mods, I feel so terrible ;_;[/QUOTE] Now I'm just insulted, and then we realise we're friends on steam and post regularly in two of the same threads....hate to say it man but your level of dumbness outshines anyone in this entire debacle :v:

4chan is frozen right now so i cant get updated properly send help

I thought you were joking. I wondered what happened.

For your entertainment, here's two Twitter bots arguing with each other, one giving incoherent facts about Gamergate ants, and the other just shitposting. [t]http://i.imgur.com/VlHfLDD.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Devodiere;45947717]For your entertainment, here's two Twitter bots arguing with each other, one giving incoherent facts about Gamergate ants, and the other just shitposting. [t]http://i.imgur.com/VlHfLDD.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] im in fucking tears this is absolutely glorious

For the more philosophically inclined among you, give [URL="http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122"]this a read[/URL] and then start thinking of your typical "misogyny!" posts. Here is an excerpt discussing the "model P" Kafkatrap: [quote]A close variant of the model C is the model P: “Even if you do not feel yourself to be guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}, you are guilty because you have a privileged position in the {sinful,racist,sexist,homophobic,oppressive,…} system.” For the model P to work, the subject must be prevented from noticing that the demand to self-condemn is not based on the subject’s own actions or choices or feelings, but rather on an in-group identification [I]ascribed by the operator of the kafkatrap[/I].[/quote] Goodbye "Check Your Privilege" memeshit.

[QUOTE=Zet;45947714]I thought you were joking. I wondered what happened.[/QUOTE] just site maintenance

[QUOTE=ZuXer;45946045]I'm not fluent, and I already did a summary but here goes. This is really free form too, so apoligies. Aw fuck it, I'm dropping the word for word stuff. Then it goes on about someone named Andreas Zecher who is against harrasment and stuff in Gaming, and urged people to stop, and got 2495 signatures, including names from big name devs like Nintendo and Squeenix After that, it explains that 4chan made the hashtag, it's trending on twitter, and they are calling for the betterment of games media. Also, gaming is growing, as can be seen on the E-sports scene, and through innovations, and now gaming is so big that a celebrity, Adam Baldwin of Full Metal Jacket has began tweeting the hashtag. Then it closes that this whole thing began , and it might lead to the improvement of games. As I said, it tries to be unbiased as possible.[/QUOTE] Really old news, but I thought I'd like to add this. As a Japanese (that immigrated to a predominantly 'white' country at a very young age albeit) I find this article friggin' hilarious. Factually, the article is [I]mostly[/I] accurate and unbiased. There's just one thing I don't agree, which is that part where it accepts the Kotaku article that denied any connections between Quinn and Grayson or whoever it was. But as a whole, I find it misleading. From what is suggested by the article, #gamergate was made to oppose misogynistic abuse, and we're apparently pro-Quinn/Sarkessian. Apparently, the aim of gamergate is to stop harassment and raise the social status of gaming. And there's a few words about journalism, but only as something to be improved along with other aspects of gaming. Basically, it got a lot of things wrong. In their defense, this whole thing is hard to follow for a regular English speaking person, let alone someone with a translator, having to navigate through all the informal rhetoric used, along with its associated nuances.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;45947842]For the more philosophically inclined among you, give [URL="http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122"]this a read[/URL] and then start thinking of your typical "misogyny!" posts. Here is an excerpt discussing the "model P" Kafkatrap: Goodbye "Check Your Privilege" memeshit.[/QUOTE] If I am reading this right they are making a system to label you anything you want for being anything? I am quite tired of people treating others like shit.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;45948260]If I am reading this right they are making a system to label you anything you want for being anything? I am quite tired of people treating others like shit.[/QUOTE] I'm not quite sure what you mean so I'll try to sum it up. Basically this article is about combating shitty fallacious arguments like “Even if you do not feel yourself to be guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}, you are guilty because you have benefited from the {sinful,racist,sexist,homophobic,oppressive,…} behavior of others in the system.” It's about recognizing the arguments, why they're fallacious, and why people in the various SJ movements would be wise to remove this type of thinking because it actually seriously damages their cause (in more ways than just their appearance).

[QUOTE=JesseR92;45948260]If I am reading this right they are making a system to label you anything you want for being anything? I am quite tired of people treating others like shit.[/QUOTE] To use the police, as an organisation as an example. "Even if you don't feel yourself to be guilty of being a murder, you are guilty of being a murderer because you're a cop and some random other cop in the world who you don't even know has murdered someone so you're all murderers" That make it any clearer? Or "You're guilty of whatever we say you'ree guilty of because you're part of the majority, and you can't deny it because you're in the majority and we say you can't deny it." or "You're guilty of slavery because your ancestors partook in slavery,so you're as equaly guilty and responsible of it as them, because fuck logic and the fact that you didn't even exist back then."

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45948452] or "You're guilty of slavery because your ancestors partook in slavery,so you're as equaly guilty and responsible of it as them, because fuck logic and the fact that you didn't even exist back then."[/QUOTE] People who seriously use this argument are absolute nutjobs. More often than not when this argument is used, it's closely followed with "only white people ever had slavery", worse still, the first argument itself implies that. By this logic people who were slaves in America are [b]themselves responsible for slavery[/b], because they mostly weren't sorta "captured", but sold by higher members of their own tribe or conquering tribes. So that means "their ancestors were slave owners" as well. And this is bullshit.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45948452]To use the police, as an organisation as an example. "Even if you don't feel yourself to be guilty of being a murder, you are guilty of being a murderer because you're a cop and some random other cop in the world who you don't even know has murdered someone so you're all murderers"[/QUOTE] Probably a better example is in police corruption. "Even if you yourself aren't corrupt, you benefit from other cops being corrupt and you are complicit in their systematic corruption through participation and inaction." It's an awful way of generalising people despite the circumstances of the individual. Even worse though is it puts this sense of guilt in people, that despite it being completely out of their control they have contributed to something they hate, and of course to absolve yourself of this guilt you should work to fix it, even though you will never be truly free of it since all cops are corrupt. It's odd to look at it in context with the "Check your privilege" people, because although the notion of privilege and that some groups of people are disadvantaged based on larger societal factors is worth being aware of, it's often used as a Kafkatrap and the assumption that no matter what, you will never understand or be aware of people being disadvantaged. Even stranger though would be how similar this is to a straight-up form of emotional abuse, and how people who fall into these traps are often more susceptible to abuse. And then you look at how people like Leigh Alexander and Maya Felix Kramer have flourished within the SJW community.

Isn't that the same crap as "you don't understand, if you did you'd agree with me?"? Cause I've seen that appearing a few times as well and it pisses me off to no end. No, understanding you doesn't mean I agree with you. I understand why Walter White started making Meth that doesn't mean I'm gonna make Meth too you fucks.

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I love how he rocks the Aragorn profile pic

So Archon is cool as shit. There's a few more points in Escapist's favor.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45948764]Isn't that the same crap as "you don't understand, if you did you'd agree with me?"? Cause I've seen that appearing a few times as well and it pisses me off to no end. No, understanding you doesn't mean I agree with you. I understand why Walter White started making Meth that doesn't mean I'm gonna make Meth too you fucks.[/QUOTE] That case is covered too: [quote]The Model M: “The act of arguing against the theory of anti-{sin,racism,sexism,homophobia,oppression} demonstrates that you are either {sinful,racist,sexist, homophobic, oppressive} or do not understand the theory of anti-{sin,racism,sexism,homophobia,oppression}, and your argument can therefore be dismissed as either corrupt or incompetent.”[/quote] That one gets said a lot here on FP about feminism.

I'm still waiting on The Escapist to fire Moviebob because they said he was on thin ice and Bob is still acting like an asshole on twitter.

didn't moviebob write an essay about how Mario changed his life or something

[QUOTE=JesterUK;45949470]didn't moviebob write an essay about how Mario changed his life or something[/QUOTE] An essay? No. He wrote a book.

god that's even worse

I can't tell whether that book was supposed to be a serious analysis of SMB3 that just went completely off the rails because Bob couldn't stop himself from gushing about his awkward childhood memories or if he really thought people wanted to read about that. I wouldn't be too surprised by the latter, but the cover just screams "It wasn't supposed to end this way". Also why the hell did he call that book "Brick by Brick"? It's supposed to be about SMB3, not Lego Island.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;45949622]I can't tell whether that book was supposed to be a serious analysis of SMB3 that just went completely off the rails because Bob couldn't stop himself from gushing about his awkward childhood memories or if he really thought people wanted to read about that. I wouldn't be too surprised by the latter, but the cover just screams "It wasn't supposed to end this way". [/QUOTE] I know you're describing it as awkward, but damn. IT SOUNDS EMBARRASSING

[QUOTE=gudman;45949711]I know you're describing it as awkward, but damn. IT SOUNDS EMBARRASSING[/QUOTE] p4rgaming wrote an actual article on it, and it's just as bad as you think it is. [url]http://www.p4rgaming.com/book-report-super-mario-bros-3-brick-by-brick-by-moviebob-aka-bob-chipman/[/url]

[QUOTE=DuCT;45950137]p4rgaming wrote an actual article on it, and it's just as bad as you think it is. [url]http://www.p4rgaming.com/book-report-super-mario-bros-3-brick-by-brick-by-moviebob-aka-bob-chipman/[/url][/QUOTE] Jesus Christ. That book is so misleading in its title, you wouldn't even know how disturbing his excerpt s become. Talk about living in a world of delusions.

[img]http://puu.sh/buCm1/fd53ee649b.png[/img] "If you think NeoGAF bans for dissent, you're a dissenter and needs to be banned"

my hypocrisy-o-meter exploded and caused an impact so hard it started world-wide starvation and devastation