Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;45950371][IMG]http://puu.sh/buCm1/fd53ee649b.png[/IMG] "If you think NeoGAF bans for dissent, you're a dissenter and needs to be banned"[/QUOTE] ..... Does that guy not realise that by banning you literally the only thing he's accomplished is proving you right? Like what the hell dude, literally the worst possible way he could've handled you. :v:

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;45950371][img]http://puu.sh/buCm1/fd53ee649b.png[/img] "If you think NeoGAF bans for dissent, you're a dissenter and needs to be banned"[/QUOTE] Well at least we know where Pr3dator went after he got ousted by Garry.....

[QUOTE=Wii60;45948867][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/g6j8HOI.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Kojima warned us against this in 2001. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vcne9OH.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;45950371][img]http://puu.sh/buCm1/fd53ee649b.png[/img] "If you think NeoGAF bans for dissent, you're a dissenter and needs to be banned"[/QUOTE] Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45951055]Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.[/QUOTE] Is that right?

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45951055]Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.[/QUOTE] you must go on some really crappy forums then

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45951055]Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.[/QUOTE] I don't think I've [b]ever[/b] seen [b]anybody[/b] get banned simply for having a dissenting opinion.

fyi adnz, im not sure if you saw but max was demodded (and actuall banned not too long ago) so dont worry [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [editline]Even then I think that he didn't actually ban people for different opinions, he was just an awful moderator.[/editline]

Well it happens on Facepunch but on a different level since I don't think I've ever seen someone outright banned for having a dissenting opinion

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45951222]The list of rules is really huge (and hey it still does not cover all the shit people pull) [/QUOTE] I remember when I was young and edgy, one forum I've frequented had literally no rules against porn. Seriously, they didn't even think that someone would post porn. So I went and got some gif with tits for my avatar. Was instantly banned, of course. And then I appealed the ban to an admin: well, there was no rule against it! He unbanned me, guy who banned me got demodded, and then new rule appeared, literally №34. Good times. [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Matrix374;45951373]Well it happens on Facepunch but on a different level since I don't think I've ever seen someone outright banned for having a dissenting opinion[/QUOTE] Yeah. Never seen that happen. Arguing against some mods in their favorite subjects can bring their unwanted attention to you though.

There have been times when people have been banned for saying overtly racism things, which counts as banning for opinion. Other than that, not really. You have to be Yawmwen level of consistent and retarded,

Are people pushing for more objectivity in news and articles on game websites or in game reviews as well? Because to be honest, I'm really confused as to what an "objective" game review would be. Obviously objectivity and bias prevention are important when presenting news and factual information, but the whole point of a review is to get a sense of what the game feels likes in the hands of a human being, which is something that can only be subjective. In my mind, a subjective description could be "the way this gun shoots bullets is crappy" whereas an objective description could only be "this gun shoots bullets." I don't read reviews to find out what features a game has (I can find that out on a wiki); I read reviews to find out what those features are like and what they do for the overall experience.

Who's the guy with the oglaf avatar? Sorry I can't remember them, but they haven't been banned despite supporting the 'quinn side' (as far as I know)

[QUOTE=Erfly;45951706]Who's the guy with the oglaf avatar? Sorry I can't remember them, but they haven't been banned despite supporting the 'quinn side' (as far as I know)[/QUOTE] I think his name is zeklev or something like that.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/CMgh7VU.jpg[/t] neogaf.jpg

[QUOTE=Wiggles;45951699]Are people pushing for more objectivity in news and articles on game websites or in game reviews as well? Because to be honest, I'm really confused as to what an "objective" game review would be. Obviously objectivity and bias prevention are important when presenting news and factual information, but the whole point of a review is to get a sense of what the game feels likes in the hands of a human being, which is something that can only be subjective. In my mind, a subjective description could be "the way this gun shoots bullets is crappy" whereas an objective description could only be "this gun shoots bullets." I don't read reviews to find out what features a game has (I can find that out on a wiki); I read reviews to find out what those features are like and what they do for the overall experience.[/QUOTE] We're looking for critical anaylsis of games as well as the industry that doesn't use buzzwords or clickbait material that superficially looks over the issues to fit an agenda. That's it, we want discussion to occur but we want it to happen in a way that everyone can get involved. [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Wii60;45951931][t]http://i.imgur.com/CMgh7VU.jpg[/t] neogaf.jpg[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure neofag idealist shit is basically entry level stupid. Despicable.

[URL]https://twitter.com/TVTokyoBen/status/510087939385479168[/URL] [QUOTE]#gamergate Hi gamers, I'd like to collect all of the most maligning hit-piece articles in one place. Could you tweet or DM me the links?[/QUOTE] TV Tokyo wants to talk about #gamergate

[QUOTE=Wii60;45951931][t]http://i.imgur.com/CMgh7VU.jpg[/t] neogaf.jpg[/QUOTE] Just a single image? Please I have an entire album on them. [URL]http://imgur.com/a/F4m0q/layout/blog[/URL] Seriously, I was never a fan of NeoGAF, they always seemed to have a big groupthink and hugbox, even bigger than reddit, and they were always really uppity about having a few Devs and Journos posting there, but this shit is mental now.

[QUOTE=Erfly;45951706]Who's the guy with the oglaf avatar? Sorry I can't remember them, but they haven't been banned despite supporting the 'quinn side' (as far as I know)[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/member.php?u=111119"]Zeke?[/URL]

[QUOTE=Swilly;45951957]We're looking for critical anaylsis of games as well as the industry that doesn't use buzzwords or clickbait material that superficially looks over the issues to fit an agenda. That's it, we want discussion to occur but we want it to happen in a way that everyone can get involved.[/QUOTE] That's fine, I can support that. But I feel like there needs to be a push for more honesty and less bias in the industry rather than more objectivity. After all, critical analysis comes from, and is affected by, a subjective viewpoint no matter who is discussing or what the topic of discussion is.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45951055]Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.[/QUOTE] No mod who has consistantly done this has lasted long afterwards. Examples: TH89, MaxOfS2D, others whose names I have forgotten [QUOTE=Wiggles;45951699]Are people pushing for more objectivity in news and articles on game websites or in game reviews as well? Because to be honest, I'm really confused as to what an "objective" game review would be. Obviously objectivity and bias prevention are important when presenting news and factual information, but the whole point of a review is to get a sense of what the game feels likes in the hands of a human being, which is something that can only be subjective. In my mind, a subjective description could be "the way this gun shoots bullets is crappy" whereas an objective description could only be "this gun shoots bullets." I don't read reviews to find out what features a game has (I can find that out on a wiki); I read reviews to find out what those features are like and what they do for the overall experience.[/QUOTE] Speaking of game reviews specifically, I think people just want them to be untainted by corruption and SJW guilt trips. Just tell me about the game damnit.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;45952222]No mod who has consistantly done this has lasted long afterwards. Examples: TH89, MaxOfS2D, others whose names I have forgotten Speaking of game reviews specifically, I think people just want them to be untainted by corruption and SJW guilt trips. Just tell me about the game damnit.[/QUOTE] what it is, in my opinion at least, is that these 'journalists' don't really get what people want from Journalism. When you read film and music and book journalism, what the journalist tends to give you is their opinion of the piece in terms of quality. There doesn't tend to be any drawn out discussion about ethics or morality, because it's essentially a buyers guide. Now there is absolutely a place for writing like this, containing discussions of the socio-political implications of video games, as with all the other mediums I mentioned. However, it isn't in a journalistic publication. Stuff like that belongs in academic critical journals, where it can be read and critiqued by educated academics in the same field. It's place isn't to be used as a shit flinging catalyst by sub-huffington post journalistic outlets

With all this objectivity talk I'm half tempted to link something I wrote up about a game recently and ask if it's what you guys want out of a game review, because it was pretty damn through. [editline]11th September 2014[/editline] I just don't wanna seem like I'm plugging. :x

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So the GG wiki is under fire and [URL="https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/510088749405843456"]baldwin[/URL] is spreading the good word.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45951192]I don't think I've [b]ever[/b] seen [b]anybody[/b] get banned simply for having a dissenting opinion.[/QUOTE] facepunch has probably the most transparent moderation one could ask for right now

The Fine Young Capitalists are only $600 away from their goal [URL]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2[/URL] Misogynist money grubbers force women to give internalized patriarchal game ideas after receiving funding from internet nazis.

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In less than 5 minutes from my last post they have been funded. [B]TFYC is at $65,421USD[/B]

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45951192]I don't think I've [b]ever[/b] seen [b]anybody[/b] get banned simply for having a dissenting opinion.[/QUOTE] I have, but that was only when Max was a mod.