Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;46000106]hmm. seems innocent enough. Whose side?[/QUOTE] XOXO had a confrence thing with anita sarkeesian she basically called for war against people who dont like her shit and tried to reach cult status with the slogan "listen and believe" The 4chan response was just to ignore the call to war.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46000109]I think it's safe to say this "movement" is going to die soon, with all the primary websites treating it like it's only a campaign to harass a singular person (seriously who cares about her!!) it's already going to be shoved under the rug, at least it's made some sites aware that people are taking notice of their actions, and some even made changes to reflect it. It's also pushed forward for many indie journalism sites to appear and hopefully get more attention as reputable sites that [I]don't[/I] care for the amount of clicks they get in a day. Unfortunately, the sites that continue to treat their opinion as fact and claim it's journalism will continue to exist and try to make small issues larger then what they actually are, best we can do is ignore them and not give them any of the views that they are hoping for when they create those articles. (Add them to a block list!) I don't really know what else there is to this. In terms of the feminists/whatever they are : Zoe is probably famous now, no matter how much "harassment" she received shes now going to be a little bit richer then she was before with the amount of publicity she has gotten (VICE, everyone else.) So unfortunately we are probably going to see more slideshow's on steam. I think in the long run though this will turn out for the better, even if the initial seems a bit depressing. Just my thoughts and opinions (disclaimer: 90% of this is opinion) on the matter. I know were gonna see more of this, but most likely the whole main plot of it all is over.[/QUOTE] But think of all the damage we've done to Kotaku by removing their sponsors!

Moot's not a TED reject though, so probably nothing of it

[QUOTE=Reimu;45947538]Sorry I've been MIA. I'm working on a Twine about abuse for a #GamerGate game jam. Not sure if it will be done in time but I'm pushing to get a good deal of it done, it's turning into a little baby of mine and I think it will be really interesting once it's out. Imagine Depression Quest, but with much more dynamic choices. How you interact with the survivor affects how much information she tells you. Meaning you will need to play through several times to figure out how to successfully interview a survivor, and you will have to play several times to understand the whole entire story from her angle. I'm also shooting for illustrations, CSS code for fading/transitions, formatting changes (necessity at this point), maybe music as well. Might be a pretty hefty thing once it's done, I really hope it ends up being a pretty big deal since I'm about to put a lot of energy into it this semester (wish me luck!)[/QUOTE] That sounds like a really interesting idea, I'm looking forward to playing this (mostly due to subjective reasons though). (Maybe you should try getting it on Steam, I'm pretty sure you'd have a chance :v:) Also I put this in my Zeugs file, so if I don't hear about it in a month I'm going to bug you about it.

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[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;46000116]But think of all the damage we've done to Kotaku by removing their sponsors![/QUOTE] Let's be honest, they'll easily get more.

[QUOTE=Doritos-pope;45996795]I know that mentioning max now is frowned upon but he's gone ahead and [URL="http://tumblr.maxofs2d.net/post/97558398777"]made his own strawman comic[/URL]. Getting banned from this discussion hit him really hard. :V If you don't want to click (and I can't blame you): [IMG]http://33.media.tumblr.com/fa5104e0f55e6f33b96ba728fba7e17d/tumblr_nbxx0qkMEQ1r42s8uo1_500.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yeah occasionally checking his tweets as well further confirms he didn't take it too well :v: . In a recent tweet he mentioned that a "leading figure" of gamergate wrote a shitty article (at least an article he found shitty) and that it "says a lot about the gamergate people.". Max seems to loves cherry-picking things that "support" his argument, acting like those cherry-picked things discredit gamergate as a whole, and making cheap zingers with his "evidence". Well, that's enough about Max, back to the topic at hand.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46000109]I think it's safe to say this "movement" is going to die soon, with all the primary websites treating it like it's only a campaign to harass a singular person (seriously who cares about her!!) it's already going to be shoved under the rug, at least it's made some sites aware that people are taking notice of their actions, and some even made changes to reflect it. It's also pushed forward for many indie journalism sites to appear and hopefully get more attention as reputable sites that [I]don't[/I] care for the amount of clicks they get in a day. Unfortunately, the sites that continue to treat their opinion as fact and claim it's journalism will continue to exist and try to make small issues larger then what they actually are, best we can do is ignore them and not give them any of the views that they are hoping for when they create those articles. (Add them to a block list!) I don't really know what else there is to this. In terms of the feminists/whatever they are : Zoe is probably famous now, no matter how much "harassment" she received shes now going to be a little bit richer then she was before with the amount of publicity she has gotten (VICE, everyone else.) So unfortunately we are probably going to see more slideshow's on steam. I think in the long run though this will turn out for the better, even if the initial seems a bit depressing. Just my thoughts and opinions (disclaimer: 90% of this is opinion) on the matter. I know were gonna see more of this, but most likely the whole main plot of it all is over.[/QUOTE] well it's hard to take it seriously when people keep referring to all the alleged corrupt parties as SJW's and focus too much on that element which really has no relevance to the allegations. You guys have some serious concerns but lack focus.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;46000120]That sounds like a really interesting idea, I'm looking forward to playing this (mostly due to subjective reasons though). (Maybe you should try getting it on Steam, I'm pretty sure you'd have a chance :v:) Also I put this in my Zeugs file, so if I don't hear about it in a month I'm going to bug you about it.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, we're making lots of progress! The story is getting pounded out quickly, rough draft should be done soon enough. Plus, we just got an illustrator on board, and she's willing to work for free. Also, my lit publication's designer is on board for helping me make sure it looks very pleasing to the eye (he's also making me a business card later in the shape of a white Cards Against Humanity card!!). I'm really excited. This game is going to tap into Twine's coding to make the branches and narrative dynamic. I don't know if I'll put it on Steam, but I'm really going to push this game. It's going to be really fun to see where it goes.

[QUOTE=zizzleplix;46000128]Yeah occasionally checking his tweets as well further confirms he didn't take it too well :v: . In a recent tweet he mentioned that a "leading figure" of gamergate wrote a shitty article (at least an article he found shitty) and that it "says a lot about the gamergate people.". Max seems to loves cherry-picking things that "support" his argument, acting like those cherry-picked things discredit gamergate as a whole, and making cheap zingers with his "evidence". Well, that's enough about Max, back to the topic at hand.[/QUOTE] Well, don't we really do the same? As much as I disagree with his opinion I really think that we do cherry-pick the worst as well. Really, we might all be guilty here. I might be wrong but I'm trying to look at this from a bystanders point of view, I guess. [QUOTE=Venezuelan;46000133]well it's hard to take it seriously when people keep referring to all the alleged corrupt parties as SJW's and focus too much on that element which really has no relevance to the allegations. You guys have some serious concerns but lack focus.[/QUOTE] I completely agree, initially I tried to ignore this issue but I guess I got over it and decided it need to be discussed, even though I have never made a tweet or post anywhere but on the relevant threads about it, the lack of focus, and their abundance of it, is really putting this whole thing into a bad light.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46000154]Well, don't we really do the same? As much as I disagree with his opinion I really think that we do cherry-pick the worst as well. Really, we might all be guilty here. I might be wrong but I'm trying to look at this from a bystanders point of view, I guess.[/QUOTE] Eh, I suppose you're right in that both sides are guilty of generalizing and cherry-picking. Again we should be getting back to the topic at hand, I was just making that one comment.

[QUOTE=DuCT;45950137]p4rgaming wrote an actual article on it, and it's just as bad as you think it is. [url]http://www.p4rgaming.com/book-report-super-mario-bros-3-brick-by-brick-by-moviebob-aka-bob-chipman/[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]readingisdead.png[/quote] [editline]17th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45951055]Funny that Facepunch of all places is making fun of this. Facepunch is, out of all forums I use, the most ban-happy when it comes to dissenting opinions.[/QUOTE] You're... not very good at arguing. That's why you keep getting banned even if you have a point. If you made slightly more effort to explain [I]why[/I] you hold the opinions you want to convince people of or (not) do things you (don't) do, I'm sure almost everyone would be a lot more receptive about what you say even if it's controversial as fuck. (Technically you seem to be one of the more reasonable people here (on Facepunch) though, regarding what the opinions you state actually are.)

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46000133]well it's hard to take it seriously when people keep referring to all the alleged corrupt parties as SJW's and focus too much on that element which really has no relevance to the allegations. You guys have some serious concerns but lack focus.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly of the opinion that the damage is done. We actually got the press to flip out and insult us outright in a way that they'll never recover from at all. That will loom over them no matter what. We may have lost most of the battles, but when it comes to the war, we hit in the places that important. Advertising, Message Control, and Trust. All of those have been blown out of the water for the major sites. And the thing is, the focus is there. You're always going to have those people running around talking about conspiracies, its inherent to someone feeling like they lost control. However, we kept it together for the most part, we focused on things like the Patreon support, people writing about their room mates, the unethical behavior alongside the double standards being given by people who feign to be a part of Social Justice. Again, I never saw the major impact people wanted, I saw a smaller but important impact and that is awareness. The core group of gaming, the people who fund these sites, companies and the like in the gaming industry most of all, are now aware of how disgustingly corrupt the system is. That'll do more good in the long run as those sites die and youtube personalities, much like movie critics of the 50's and 60's, take over. [editline]16th September 2014[/editline] It'll also decentralize the basis of critique coming from the gaming public, giving Triple AAA companies a harder time to provide gifts and more. To put it as a joke, We [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uints81YYMc"]slam jammed[/URL] them, they don't know they're dead already.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46000133]well it's hard to take it seriously when people keep referring to all the alleged corrupt parties as SJW's and focus too much on that element which really has no relevance to the allegations. You guys have some serious concerns but lack focus.[/QUOTE] I think people are mostly using SJW as a general term for anti-GG people, and given half the issue is about people being gatekeepers against those who don't share their pseudo-egalitarian philosophy it's not entirely wrong. While there are definitely better terms and better ways of putting it, GG is still an incredibly disorganised movement and it seems a bit of a balance between strong enough language to rouse people but not too strong that it only attracts extremists. As you say it lacks focus, but that's hard to get in this kind of movement and a bit of shit will naturally collect in the process. [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46000154]Well, don't we really do the same? As much as I disagree with his opinion I really think that we do cherry-pick the worst as well. Really, we might all be guilty here. I might be wrong but I'm trying to look at this from a bystanders point of view, I guess.[/QUOTE] There is a bit, but I'd say the difference is when you can self-criticise and be aware of arguments against without your head exploding from cognitive dissonance. When the topic of that guy getting shadowbanned for asking Assange a question was up, it was people within GG that tried to make clear what actually happened rather than going along with the most extreme narrative. When Milo was investigating Anita's police report, he told people that it could have been passed off to the FBI and left that doubt rather than keeping it quiet because it hurt his case. Even the harassment that is going on, people aren't just pretending it doesn't exist, they are actively discouraging it and I've seen multiple times in /v/ threads where people have shat on someone for being inflammatory on twitter. If you can self-criticise and don't need an opposition to keep you in line and honest, you're better than those who simply cherrypick to support their preconceptions.

We'll see in the long run what happens. On some level, the fact we had developers telling us to keep going just showcases how much they want us to succeed and knowing that we agree with each other is more than enough to shove out sites like Kotaku.

I remember hearing that publishers are moving off of gaming blogs and focusing on youtube celebs to sell their shit now. Ubisoft/EA/Activision/etc. has been successful with that. all we did was jumpstart the death throes of gaming blogs before Youtube/actual game journalism sites (escapist) take their place.

[QUOTE=SkolVikings94;45952867][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mHSsCud.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Huh, he backed that sportsfriendsgame. (I pasted a few of those name lists into notes, so when I search people the things they backed come up. Not ideal but it seems to work somewhat.)

[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;46000118]Moot's not a TED reject though, so probably nothing of it[/QUOTE] He has also talked at xoxo fest 2012.

[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45954096][...] What this does to communities is that discussions between people are gradually seen as ~drama~ and then people start getting randomly banned for just discussing things. [URL]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hugbox[/URL] It's what a hugbox means. While Facepunch is not at a super high hugbox level, it shows signs that every hugboxy community does, such as the banned examples I gave.[/QUOTE] I agree with you that some parts of Facepunch are hugboxes, but seriously that doesn't have anything to do with why you get banned. You tend to repeat the same argument even after they've been refuted already, completely without specifying why the counter-argument was in your opinion invalid. That and leaps of logic like the one above. The hugbox is irrelevant if [I]someone[/I] is actively perpetuating an argument for the argument's sake. You could do that at Speakers' Corner and the audience would still think you're an idiot (though possibly without saying so out loud, no idea what form of listener interaction is practised there).

So anyone know what happened on /v/? Did something big happen or is there a mod gone rogue?

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;45954129][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/il3LpLf.png[/IMG] ----------------- [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WpBlZcH.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] This could be because the donation was made under a different name, but it's certainly pretty damning. They did answer fairly quickly, so it's possible they didn't look up all the people involved.

[QUOTE=Datsun;46000392]So anyone know what happened on /v/? Did something big happen or is there a mod gone rogue?[/QUOTE] From what I heard, a mod got bluepilled so hard, and I also heard that some people are blaming moot for the censorship since he's at xoxo fest.

[QUOTE=ZuXer;45954528][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eiPnX7a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Links? I want to check the timing.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;46000109]I think it's safe to say this "movement" is going to die soon, with all the primary websites treating it like it's only a campaign to harass a singular person (seriously who cares about her!!) it's already going to be shoved under the rug, at least it's made some sites aware that people are taking notice of their actions, and some even made changes to reflect it. It's also pushed forward for many indie journalism sites to appear and hopefully get more attention as reputable sites that [I]don't[/I] care for the amount of clicks they get in a day. Unfortunately, the sites that continue to treat their opinion as fact and claim it's journalism will continue to exist and try to make small issues larger then what they actually are, best we can do is ignore them and not give them any of the views that they are hoping for when they create those articles. (Add them to a block list!) I don't really know what else there is to this. In terms of the feminists/whatever they are : Zoe is probably famous now, no matter how much "harassment" she received shes now going to be a little bit richer then she was before with the amount of publicity she has gotten (VICE, everyone else.) So unfortunately we are probably going to see more slideshow's on steam. I think in the long run though this will turn out for the better, even if the initial seems a bit depressing. Just my thoughts and opinions (disclaimer: 90% of this is opinion) on the matter. I know were gonna see more of this, but most likely the whole main plot of it all is over.[/QUOTE] Zoes image is ruined completely, more are against all those people than with, its not dying at all, this 4chan banning shit just fanned the flames a bit more.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46000439]Zoes image is ruined completely, more are against all those people than with, its not dying at all, this 4chan banning shit just fanned the flames a bit more.[/QUOTE] Agreed. The problem here isn't that GG is dying because we're losing focus. The problem is that there's so much to focus on, everyone doesn't know where to start. Also, generally speaking, Zoe's reputation is tanked within the industry. Devs have to put on a good face right now so they don't break the party line, but no one is going to want to do jackshit with ZQ once this all ends. There is a [b]lot[/b] of internal resistance to Zoe after all this. People don't want her around their projects, people don't want her at their conferences, and they're going to make that very clear in private once GG is over. The truth is, eventually Zoe won't be able to pull on the harassment as a shield from criticism. Even if it's never publicly dealt with, most devs have good reason to distance themselves from Zoe now. Only her diehard fans and diehard SJ folks are going to continue supporting her. I'm pretty firmly convinced eople in the industry are gradually going to sever ties and run once there's no fallout from doing so (in relation to GG).

[QUOTE=Wii60;45954720]anyone else find it very weird that a new thing happens every 3 days[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4GB_NDU43Q"]Well, it's dumb to just expose everything in one go. At some point the channels saturate and information is ignored.[/URL] If I had explosive information and didn't care about furthering my own publicity, I'd wait until things calm down just slightly (so that it's clear there's capacity) and then release bits and pieces as necessary to continue the discussion. [editline]17th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=jonu67;45954926][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gPixEwu.png[/IMG] And now she's trying to erase the evidence, ha like that works on the Internet. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Wow, that is incredibly dumb. The only way to damage-control this would be to say there was a delay and give them a huge sum. This is practically an admission of guilt :suicide:

It's funny, the SJW people (and I use the term to mean those rabid, frothing at the mouth, throw insults as a first resort kind of people as opposed to Social Justice Advocate) haven't ever, as far as I know, agreed with the GamerGate people one iota, yet the GamerGate people in general agree with the other side that Harassment is totally not acceptable.

So /v/ is fucking dead? The only safe haven to discuss gamer-gate is fucking Facepunch? This movement is dying before mine eyes I can't take this

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;45955142]Is this fraud? Or just false advertising?[/QUOTE] Possibly both.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;45957019]A full grab was made by the Archive Team's [url=http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveBot]ArchiveBot[/url] on August 24th (minus the game itself), but Quinn had already changed it (back then, there was a pretty lengthy queue of around 34 jobs as there's limited capacity, so the DQ job had to wait around 60 hours/2.5d before it fired off). Here's the AB grab (all of them get injected into the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine): [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20140824180435/http://www.depressionquest.com/[/url] Here's the next earliest grab done by the Archive itself (contains iFred wording): [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20140820180647/http://www.depressionquest.com/[/url] AKA: sometime in between August 20th and the AB UA's first appearance on the site (August 24th at a little after 9 AM CDT), Quinn knew she would be fucked well in advance, and took away all mention of iFred. Good thing I didn't bother dumping the files onto my secondary drive, else I probably wouldn't have been arsed to go through them all/reload onto my SSD.[/QUOTE] If you archive something with archive.today, [URL="https://archive.today/http://www.depressionquest.com/"]you can browse all other snapshots too[/URL]. [editline]17th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;45957674]She has either BPD or another of the cluster B disorders: Histrionic Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder. People with ASPD are referred to as sociopaths or psychopaths. They feel no guilt or remorse for their actions and they lack empathy. I don't know which one she is exactly but you could make the argument that she's probably at least one of those based on all evidence we have so far. [video=youtube;aFVrvoYTGu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFVrvoYTGu0[/video][/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.sociopathworld.com/"]There's this really entertaining self-help/advocacy blog for sociopaths.[/URL] (The comments are usually hilarious.) It's pretty good in terms of informational value too if you filter out all the trolling (the main blog posts don't really have any).