Corruption in gaming journalism discussion and update thread. - General

Oh my god this blew the fuck up over the past two hours. I was expecting nothing special to happen today, but first 4chan gets raided because of corrupt mods, a giant mailing list coordinating what game journalists post has been exposed, and now there's a hint about posting more from the list.

in other news /v/ mods continue to do it for free

I have no idea what's going on anymore

[QUOTE=Ziron;46006750]Oh my god this blew the fuck up over the past two hours. I was expecting nothing special to happen today, but first 4chan gets raided because of corrupt mods, a giant mailing list coordinating what game journalists post has been exposed, and now there's a hint about posting more from the list.[/QUOTE] "Then they fight you. Then you win."

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46006785]I have no idea what's going on anymore[/QUOTE] what's happening is that they do it for free on an anime image board they take their "job" very seriously they need no payment for services rendered

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46006785]I have no idea what's going on anymore[/QUOTE] Conspiracy To hide Gamergate from masses and to post about zoe being harrassed till we shut up via mailing group milo found out and made this huge news post about it tl;dr [video=youtube;iYlqU_bN0b4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYlqU_bN0b4[/video]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46006746]Holy shit kotaku's "response" has been to make a article about a bomb threat in march twoards anita [URL]https://archive.today/C8yLL[/URL] they are trying to draw attention away from it. edit: seriously read this shit [URL]https://archive.today/6DN9x[/URL][/QUOTE] I was feeling really down this morning but this cheered me up.

[QUOTE=JesterUK;46006757]in other news /v/ mods continue to do it for free[/QUOTE] This Tyrone vid gets more relevant by the minute, the damage control that is happening there is off the charts. [video=youtube;qdC_Cu9X4wc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdC_Cu9X4wc[/video]

That DDoS isn't suspicious at all.

I swear to god if that had anything to do with the thread in SH...

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;46006870]That DDoS isn't suspicious at all.[/QUOTE] It definitely had some interesting timing

i know literally who is not relevant anymore but i couldn't resist posting this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UUcjNC6.png[/IMG] also marcus beer disagrees with both sides over the list: [url]https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/512368354112573440[/url]

The timing on this is suspicious as fuck. I'm gonna put my money on something beyond error. [editline]a[/editline] Hey it works again that's cool now I know it's at least sort of up.

[QUOTE=DVH;46006907]The timing on this is suspicious as fuck. I'm gonna put my money on something beyond error.[/QUOTE] most likely rust babbies gettin butthurt and ddosing in response fp has been doing it for weeks now [editline]17th September 2014[/editline] [URL]https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/512371960865497088[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/21sxARn.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wii60;46006912]most likely rust babbies gettin butthurt and ddosing in response fp has been doing it for weeks now [editline]17th September 2014[/editline] [URL]https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/512371960865497088[/URL] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/21sxARn.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] "people in the same profession talk to each other" way to not get the point.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL6NoBvi47Y&feature=youtu.be[/media] in response to an honest-to-god conspiracy existing

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66313298/kek/1410994116275.jpg[/IMG]

I was on the verge of just not caring anymore but yeah this kinda shook me out of that.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;46006640]There is one thing to take into account however. Her platform to spread her ideas was through the AEI, a noted conservative think-tank. I'd be totally in agreement to listen to her views if they were posted by her, in a self-run private manner. But they aren't, it's on the AEI channel, she's acting as a mouthpiece for the AEI, for the video to go up, the AEI has to think "yes, yes this is good for our agenda". Ignoring [B]people[/B] straight-up because of their political alignment is kinda silly unless they've proven to be far too biased. Ignoring political groups that have a history of not actually caring about these situations and have clear agendas by their past behaviour however, seems a lot more justifiable. This is what I mean when I say be critical of people supposedly supporting GamerGate, a lot of political figures on the right have hopped the fuck on to this train for some reason, and it's not an innocent "yeahhhhhh!!! no corruption boyeeee!!" thing.[/QUOTE] I think that being wary of what someone says, especially when related to their organization, is wise. But I don't think that's grounds for disqualification. If Glenn Beck went on the Glenn Beck show and said "The Sun is in the sky," it would not automatically become incorrect simply because Glenn Beck said so. We should be wary of all these conservative speakers weighing in on this, but we should also be willing to recognize a good argument, even if it comes from someone or some place we would usually disagree with. We should always listen to the other side.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46006343] I too am not convinced that moot has been compromised or whatever. Sitting down and listening to someone whom you disagree with does not mean you've joined the dark side or whatever.[/QUOTE] even if he [I]does [/I]agree with her it means nothing

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46007066]even if he [I]does [/I]agree with her it means nothing[/QUOTE] It means nothing unless you act on it in a fashion that attempts to silence dissent. At that point you're part of the problem, being informed and having your own opinions is important. Meanwhile, war is coming.

[video=youtube;YYi8_34nERw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYi8_34nERw[/video] the int aristrocrat is back

[QUOTE=Jordax;46006631]There is something dearly poetic about a real journalist exposing gaming ''journalists'' as complete hacks.[/QUOTE] keep in mind Breitbart is an aggregation site with an extremely conservative slant and a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_(website)#Controversies"]history of controversy[/URL] so idk if "real journalist" is what I'd call it.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46007112]keep in mind Breitbart is an aggregation site with an extremely conservative slant and a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_(website)#Controversies"]history of controversy[/URL] so idk if "real journalist" is what I'd call it.[/QUOTE] Again, be careful with the source. We need to vet it before really going into it. At the same time, I don't see anyone else grabbing this at all, and just like the Occupy movement, we're probably only gonna get negative press.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46007112]keep in mind Breitbart is an aggregation site with an extremely conservative slant and a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_(website)#Controversies"]history of controversy[/URL] so idk if "real journalist" is what I'd call it.[/QUOTE] To me it's honestly no surprise conservatives are jumping in on this; this is probably the easiest target to make the left look dumb in their eyes.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46007064]I think that being wary of what someone says, especially when related to their organization, is wise. But I don't think that's grounds for disqualification. If Glenn Beck went on the Glenn Beck show and said "The Sun is in the sky," it would not automatically become incorrect simply because Glenn Beck said so. We should be wary of all these conservative speakers weighing in on this, but we should also be willing to recognize a good argument, even if it comes from someone or some place we would usually disagree with. We should always listen to the other side.[/QUOTE] But their arguments don't really help us at all. At best they're just going to be ignored, and at worst they'll poison the movement by making it about promoting a right wing agenda rather than just demanding some basic ethics out of game industry figures. We absolutely cannot win this unless people from neutral or left leaning media point out their hypocrisy, because once enough people who embody the same values they claim to have call them out, they'll longer be able to keep up their facade.

Huh I checked out /v/ and threads were getting rapidly deleted, and then this site wouldn't load, I got a bit worried

[QUOTE=Tureis;46007160]To me it's honestly no surprise conservatives are jumping in on this; this is probably the easiest target to make the left look dumb in their eyes.[/QUOTE] exactly. this is why needs to be separated from ethics. it's just like someone said earlier, at least gaming journalists and indie devs care about games. these conservatives don't, they are ambulance chasers with a much more blatant agenda. as soon as it's REALLY about corruption and not SJWs they will stop caring entirely

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;46006870]That DDoS isn't suspicious at all.[/QUOTE] Who was DDoS'd? (sorry at school, and web filter is a bitch)

[QUOTE=Swilly;46007078]Meanwhile, war is coming.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei2ESVV5usw[/media] (I remember playing this game as a kid. There is no kid who wouldn't want to play a game involving tanks battle mechs and dinosaurs being ridden by soldiers with laser guns.)