It looks like crap and the characters have no detail. The vast majority of it is sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.
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[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;34842813]Since so much so the debate seems to centre around dislike of the fanbase, I'd like to ask how bad you think the anime/manga fanbase is and why it should have any bearing you how you view the medium. To use an example, how many of us dislike Star Wars because of the fanbase? Even the dislike of the fanbase, even the most obsessive (weeaboos/otaku) seems unwarranted. They're generally harmless people who are a bit too into their hobbies.
For reasons why you might dislike anime that are more unique to anime; culture shock, generally cheaper budgets (evident in animation), bizarre pacing and writing and catering to a niche of a niche - many of these made worse by economic instability. Of course, with the large variation on the genre, between all to none of these things can be present in any one show. However, pick a particular show randomly and more often than not you'll find these problems. Backing up these statements with examples/evidence is difficult without watching a large enough sample of anime and even if I did I am not a particularly good judge of things like writing and pacing. However, I have read reviews and critiques of anime shows by people I believe to be good judges and that is where my above points stem from.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're not thinking about [I]how[/I] people come to judge a fanbase. It's the leader figures, the people who are most recognizable, who build a fanbase's public image. And the leader figures tend to be the most devout: which makes sense considering that one needs motivation to create and maintain a community. They draw the border that we ultimately end up using to determine who is and isn't part of a fanbase. The Anime fandom was founded by people who compacted all anime into a single supergenre, and it took pretty much any anime-related thing it could get its hands on under its wing. It completely enveloped anime and almost everything related to it, and the leader figures were the ones representing all of it.
The Star Wars fanbase did not do that. It may be led by hopelessly nerdy people, but they represent a much smaller portion of the culture that surrounds Star Wars. They never became representative of the original trilogy or even the prequels, and that's the part that gets noticed the most.
[QUOTE=Slight;34857309] Where are they hiding then man?[/quote]
I'd say many of the posters in this thread are normal enough.
[QUOTE=Slight;34857309] Anime just isn't a normal thing in the west and while its understandable to say "a few make the rest of us look bad", I don't think that's the case.
Either way, it all depends on what anime you like I guess. There are some decent, more westernized ones that are more respectable I guess .[/QUOTE]
What makes entertainment objectively better or more respectable if it's "westernized"? Many would consider not watching TV or not enjoying [insert popular sport of your country here] abnormal and weird.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34859278]It looks like crap and the characters have no detail. The vast majority of it is sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.[/QUOTE]
Looks like crap and lacks detail as compared to what? Western animation? Disney stuff has huge budgets, and Saturday morning cartoons tend to have even worse animation and BGs than the average anime.
The vast majority of any entertainment is crap. I don't see how this makes anime any better or worse.
Oh, and the largest market for anime is still in Japan. A weaboo is someone who is not Japanese but considers their society, culture, language and entertainment vastly superior to those of his own country and dreams of living in a Japan that is based on fiction. I think you meant pandering to some otaku's fetishes.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;34859904]Again, you're not thinking about [I]how[/I] people come to judge a fanbase. It's the leader figures, the people who are most recognizable, who build a fanbase's public image. And the leader figures tend to be the most devout: which makes sense considering that one needs motivation to create and maintain a community. They draw the border that we ultimately end up using to determine who is and isn't part of a fanbase. The Anime fandom was founded by people who compacted all anime into a single supergenre, and it took pretty much any anime-related thing it could get its hands on under its wing. It completely enveloped anime and almost everything related to it, and the leader figures were the ones representing all of it.
The Star Wars fanbase did not do that. It may be led by hopelessly nerdy people, but they represent a much smaller portion of the culture that surrounds Star Wars. They never became representative of the original trilogy or even the prequels, and that's the part that gets noticed the most.[/QUOTE]
But the people that you described as the "leaders" aren't what people would consider the weeaboos. They're the ones who got into anime in the 80's and hold things like Akira in high esteem while being less enthusiastic about the more recent stuff (especially the cutesy girl trend).
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34859278]It looks like crap and the characters have no detail. The vast majority of it is sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.[/QUOTE]
wow what a thoughtful post lol
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34859278]The vast majority of it is [B]sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.[/B][/QUOTE]
I actually agree with this. If most anime didn't take the route of random sexual scenes, it wouldn't be that bad. As said in an earlier post of mine, most anime is basically nothing but gore and tits with a half-way decent story that tries to compensate for the huge amounts of gore and half-naked children with over-sized breasts. That's one of the things that really pisses me off. I'm not saying that anime is ultimately going to be shit every time. I know there are good animes out there, they're just really hard to find.
Most anime isn't gory at all, what are you taking about
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34880595]Most anime isn't gory at all, what are you taking about[/QUOTE]
Depends on the anime. Maybe you've just seen all the good anime, I dunno.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34880595]Most anime isn't gory at all, what are you taking about[/QUOTE]
This, What the fuck.
Most anime isn't as oversexualized as everyone claims it to be either.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34880656]Depends on the anime. Maybe you've just seen all the good anime, I dunno.[/QUOTE]
Of course it depends on the show, but the majority them are aimed at teenagers and thus cannot be too violent as you seem to suggest.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;34880975]This, What the fuck.
Most anime isn't as oversexualized as everyone claims it to be either.[/QUOTE]
It isn't extremely oversexualized like I may have made it sound. What I meant is that most anime throws over-sized breasts and stupid scenes of guys hitting on girls in your face or whatever.
Uh no, most of them don't do that either.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34881253]It isn't extremely oversexualized like I may have made it sound. What I meant is that most anime throws over-sized breasts and stupid scenes of guys hitting on girls in your face or whatever.[/QUOTE]
A lot of other genres(?) push sex as well, it's just easier to do in anime since they have complete control over what people look like.
[QUOTE=ILY;34881649]A lot of other genres(?) push sex as well, it's just easier to do in anime since they have complete control over what people look like.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but not as much as anime.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34880595]Most anime isn't gory at all, what are you taking about[/QUOTE]
The most of the 80s and 90s ones were, with added profanity from dubs. Despite on how good the animations were, it made them silly to watch because of the entire over-the-top theme.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34881929]Yes, but not as much as anime.[/QUOTE]
It's like you read half of what I typed
[QUOTE=ILY;34883752]It's like you read half of what I typed[/QUOTE]
No, I read all of it. Whether it's easier to do in anime or not, it's still seen more in anime.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34880481]I actually agree with this. If most anime didn't take the route of random sexual scenes, it wouldn't be that bad. As said in an earlier post of mine, most anime is basically nothing but gore and tits with a half-way decent story that tries to compensate for the huge amounts of gore and half-naked children with over-sized breasts. That's one of the things that really pisses me off. I'm not saying that anime is ultimately going to be shit every time. I know there are good animes out there, they're just really hard to find.[/QUOTE]
This is such a huge generalization that if you launched it into space planets would orbit around it.
I don't watch anime, but two of my favorite movies, Akira and Spirited Away, are both anime films. If most anime is actually like that, I could agree with the hate being unjust. I wouldn't know as I've only seen stuff that has been on TV, like Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc. and they were exceptionally awful.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;34884248]This is such a huge generalization that if you launched it into space planets would orbit around it.[/QUOTE]
Generalization or not, it's true.
But it's not. You have a very skewered view on anime in general, since most anime is NOT gory and does NOT show excessive skin. You appear to be making your judgement based on the few shows you have seen, which are obviously from quite a small subgenre.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34884563]Generalization or not, it's true.[/QUOTE]
Oh? How many shows have you seen?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;34884695]Oh? How many shows have you seen?[/QUOTE]
all of theme
i think the sexualize in anime cuz of japanese culture, they see woman as sexobject.
or am i wrong?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;34892143]i think the sexualize in anime cuz of japanese culture, they see woman as sexobject.
or am i wrong?[/QUOTE]
You couldn't be more wrong.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34880595]Most anime isn't gory at all, what are you taking about[/QUOTE]
Especially these days where most anime has a "cute" style of animation and themes. I personally liked it more when anime was trying to be cool and edgy compared to the more cutesy thing they are trying to do now.
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[QUOTE=NotMeh;34881356]Uh no, most of them don't do that either.[/QUOTE]
They kind of do. Not to an extreme but most will have some awkward fan service part. Even if they don't most characters are 10/10 sexy. This is for both genders. I wont say most anime do this but I don't think i'm over generalizing when saying most do to an extent.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34859278]It looks like crap and the characters have no detail. The vast majority of it is sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.
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I think he just meant that a lot of anime, at least what a lot of people read, is mostly based around sex and a bunch of weird fetishes. I do agree that the detail is kind of bad compared to graphic novels.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34859278]It looks like crap and the characters have no detail. The vast majority of it is sexualized beyond belief and for no other reason than to feed some weaboo's fetish.
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Why did you perma him for trolling? That post right there is pretty much the truth.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;34901638]Why did you perma him for trolling? That post right there is pretty much the truth.[/QUOTE]
It's a rule in Mass Debate that when you state things as fact you need to provide evidence. Not to mention his ban history, so it culminated there.
[QUOTE=Megafan;34901767]It's a rule in Mass Debate that when you state things as fact you need to provide evidence. Not to mention his ban history, so it culminated there.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't really sound like he was trolling, looks more like he stated his opinion, albeit immaturely, and as Michael stated above, more than one person thinks this.
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