Is the general Dislike of Anime unwarranted? - General

Like most everything else, blind hatred is bad, but hating people that won't shut the hell up about it after you tell them too, is okay.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;34368828]Like most everything else, blind hatred is bad, but hating people that won't shut the hell up about it after you tell them too, is okay.[/QUOTE] Actually weaboos tend to be introverted and talk only among their own species...in real life, face to face. Oh I have met my fair share of specimens that are snarky, arrogant, and seriously lacking in a sense of humor (read: they still think "cake is a lie" jokes are funny), but I've noticed the really hardcore wapanese don't make that much noise...again, in real life. Internet? Amplified six trillion noise.

As a child I watched Garzey's wing as my first anime, because of that I never watched anime until two years ago, Mobile suit gundam is fantastic in my opinion, but I have to say, some anime is horrid, and some is good, it's not unwarranted hate towards, say hetalia, but generalizing anime based on anime like that is extreme.

It's like anything that panders to a specific audience. Anyone who isn't in that specific audience is going to dislike or completely misunderstand it. Like how metal, especially extreme metal, is essentially fucked up music made for fucked up people. There's some metal that's pop and is somewhat approachable (bands like Metallica and Trivium), but the majority of metal is for people who like metal, and these people tend to be anti-social, depressed, psychologically fucked up people who can't listen to happy sounds and instead listen to URRRRGH. A lot of anime is the same way in that it's made for outcasts, people who don't have friends so they have to live through their cartoons. I know a lot of people and I've observed this with pretty much every anime fan I know. It's something you get into because instead of going outside and playing with friends on saturday morning, you're inside eating and watching pokeyman. It's like comic books, it's something that is considered nerdy because the only way to get heavily into a hobby like that is if you've used it your whole life as an escape from the fact that you don't have any friends, or that you have some other major trouble in your life. So even if you grow up and later integrate yourself into society and maybe even establish a social life, you still carry it with you and people still associate it with you because they know you used to hide away in it. So you stay around like-minded people who also escaped from life using anime, other weirdos who are socially awkward as you are, because everyone wants to be socially acceptable. There is definitely anime that doesn't cater to this audience, but the shows are few and far between.

[QUOTE=J Paul;34369034]It's like anything that panders to a specific audience. Anyone who isn't in that specific audience is going to dislike or completely misunderstand it. Like how metal, especially extreme metal, is essentially fucked up music made for fucked up people. There's some metal that's pop and is somewhat approachable (bands like Metallica and Trivium), but the majority of metal is for people who like metal, and these people tend to be anti-social, depressed, psychologically fucked up people who can't listen to happy sounds and instead listen to URRRRGH. A lot of anime is the same way in that it's made for outcasts, people who don't have friends so they have to live through their cartoons. I know a lot of people and I've observed this with pretty much every anime fan I know. It's something you get into because instead of going outside and playing with friends on saturday morning, you're inside eating and watching pokeyman. It's like comic books, it's something that is considered nerdy because the only way to get heavily into a hobby like that is if you've used it your whole life as an escape from the fact that you don't have any friends, or that you have some other major trouble in your life. So even if you grow up and later integrate yourself into society and maybe even establish a social life, you still carry it with you and people still associate it with you because they know you used to hide away in it. So you stay around like-minded people who also escaped from life using anime, other weirdos who are socially awkward as you are, because everyone wants to be socially acceptable. There is definitely anime that doesn't cater to this audience, but the shows are few and far between.[/QUOTE] no thats wat my mexican soap operas are for

I personally loved Spirited Away and Castle in the sky..... Everything else seems like garbage to me. My Weeb friend wanted to show me soul eater..... It was..... Just....bad.

Anime I like: Deathnote Bleach DBZ (partially on merit, partially nostalgia) Full Metal Alchemist Ghost in the Shell One Piece (sometimes) Glass Fleet Pumpkin Scissors Code Lyoko (if you count it) [b]What they all have in common:[/b] An engaging story line that moves at a good clip. None of that Kekkaishi style rehash and slowness. Especially in Deathnote. Seriously, Deathnote is not only one of the best animes ever, but probably one of the best shows in general. There is a lot of bullshit in anime. You just gotta find whats good and what suits your tastes. [editline]time[/editline] Also, Gundam.

The big problem with anime is that it is 90% shit and 10% gold.

[QUOTE=Motherfuckers;34369241]The big problem with anime is that it is 90% shit and 10% gold.[/QUOTE] The big problem with movies. Video games. Cartoons. Books. Tv shows. Everything

The dislike of anime is not contrived from anime itself but rather the anime fans who're obnoxious touting their bullshit everywhere, specifically they spread the anime that's rather dumb, Naruto, DBZ, Bleach for some part of it and then the hate comes in as does the generalization. Most people don't specifically hate anime but when they see those shows they're reminded of those idiots and thus have an avoidance to it.

I like anime. There are a lot of good animes. A typical examples would be Cowboy Beebop. Those good animes float along in a sea of shit animes that appeal to weeaboos.

The cause for the "general dislike" is more our fault than theirs ("our" being westerners, "their" being Japan). Many of the earliest animes to be introduced to the west were introduced the same way other cartoons were; people knew they came from Japan, but that fact alone wasn't attractive to anyone at the time. But once the anime communities started to form that changed, we grouped anime together into one big supergenre. And the ones running the communities, who became the "face" of the general anime fandom, were the ones who took the whole thing to an extreme, people we now know as weaboos. That's how almost all fandoms start: with the most extreme people running the show, look at furry communities, or the bronies, none of you have ever heard of a community for people who only sort of like My Little Pony, have you? That's because they don't exist. A community run by people who take things to such extremes is not very attractive to outsiders, so the anime community quickly began to look bad to anyone who wasn't already a part of it. It also didn't help that with anime being treated as a genre, anything bad would drag down everything good, hence your "90% of anime sucks" argument. If you look at all the animes that are generally despised outside of their respective communities, you'll notice a lot of common themes that they may not share with ones that are more well received. Nowadays you'll notice that many people who watch anime aren't a part of any anime community, and this is precisely why: the fact that they liked one anime doesn't make them assume they'll like all of the others, and almost all anime communities are built around that idea. The sooner the "general anime fandom" disappears, the less hostile people will be toward anime in general.

i love how everyone here is super understanding and has the same opinion, but for example if someone were to post anime on lmao pics in a non ironic fashion they would get flamed out of existence.

did u no that some people like to dress up as an anime? fucked up but true... [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=krazipanda;34370139]i love how everyone here is super understanding and has the same opinion, but for example if someone were to post anime on lmao pics in a non ironic fashion they would get flamed out of existence.[/QUOTE] tell me more about the injustice in the lmaopics thread. lets smash that kyriarchy

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;34369913]Wall O' Text[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. I think at the point it was all mashed into one genre was around the time Sailor Moon was a big deal, hell, it could have started sooner then that with Transformers, Voltron or even M.A.S.K. These were well received animes at the time for the most part and I would place best guess they are the progenitors to opening the flood gates of anime pretty much anywhere, if not mostly for the states. As for that "90%" crap, I dare you to say that to someone who watched the shows I listed as crap, you could get punched for it in some places. Despite that and to be fair, say a percentage of anime is good to a certain group of people with similar tastes and vise-versa to the other do exist. Essentially "to each their own".

If you have a friend that hates all anime with a passion, just force them to watch Akira. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tKc8_7jB4[/media] Just look at that shit. The only things I don't like abut anime are the english dubs. They always sound overacted and shitty, watch them subtitled if you can.

The main reason I cant stand anime is because of the cheap animation, id does like <5 fps in the animation, and the constant cheaping by making people not move at all and just stand still like statues, or animating only the lips when people talk (heck, I have seen anime where not even the jaws were moving)

[QUOTE=Red scout?;34370469]The main reason I cant stand anime is because of the cheap animation,[/QUOTE] Not all anime has this issue. [QUOTE=Red scout?;34370469]id does like <5 fps in the animation,[/QUOTE] Even at its worst this is quantifiably false. [QUOTE=Red scout?;34370469]and the constant cheaping by making people not move at all and just stand still like statues, or animating only the lips when people talk (heck, I have seen anime where not even the jaws were moving)[/QUOTE] Another issue that not all anime has. These issues you're describing have nothing to do with anime being what it is, but with specific shows being poorly made.

[QUOTE=krazipanda;34370139]i love how everyone here is super understanding and has the same opinion, but for example if someone were to post anime on lmao pics in a non ironic fashion they would get flamed out of existence.[/QUOTE] LMAO pics is the worst thread on the worst part of the forum [QUOTE=sdwise;34369230]An engaging story line that moves at a good clip.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sdwise;34369230] Bleach DBZ One Piece (sometimes)[/quote] lole

I think the hatred stems not from the medium itself but the Insufferable portions of the fanbase. People who refer to it every goddamn sentence and constantly harp on about how great it is. They may not even be weeaboo's, having no desire to go to Japan and whatnot, they just never shut up about it. One guy I know, whenever he talks about it will always say "I hate how people think all anime = hentai." and his phone background is a barely clad anime girl, and I mean by Anime standards. Much of the hatred and dislike stems from not wanting to associate with this group. And in spite of our repeated statement of "We don't care!" Some of the fan base still talk about it all the damn time. In short, it's not Anime we hate, but the reputation that has become rooted in it thanks to the more Idiotic elements of the fanbase. At least they are easy to wind up, all it takes is a "kids cartoons" and their face swiftly goes a nice shade of red.

[QUOTE=Neat!;34370466]If you have a friend that hates all anime with a passion, just force them to watch Akira. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2tKc8_7jB4[/media] Just look at that shit. The only things I don't like abut anime are the english dubs. They always sound overacted and shitty, watch them subtitled if you can.[/QUOTE] Now ask yourself this. Would the narrative be improved or not by replacing the children by characters with a believable age for the roles they are in. It's a movie made for adults so why not have relatable characters. Sure Akira is nice, but it still falls into a lot of the pittfalls that the majority of anime does. Imagine for instance Aliens, but all the marines are replaced by children. You'd instantly loose the narrative strength. For the record, Aliens actually does children in movies right. Remember the little girl.

Well kids are awesome in a lord of the flies like situation where they're all being horribly brutal to each other due to lack of supervision or guidance. But saving the world, nah.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;34370852]Now ask yourself this. Would the narrative be improved or not by replacing the children by characters with a believable age for the roles they are in. It's a movie made for adults so why not have relatable characters. Sure Akira is nice, but it still falls into a lot of the pittfalls that the majority of anime does. Imagine for instance Aliens, but all the marines are replaced by children. You'd instantly loose the narrative strength. For the record, Aliens actually does children in movies right. Remember the little girl.[/QUOTE] because it's about a young generation that are entirely cut off from their more ritualistic and old world elders akira is just fucking post WW2 Japan and the clash between the younger and older generations mixed with tons of philosophy and amazing fight sequences making the protagonists of Akira adults would make as much sense as making the characters in boys in the hood white [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=J Paul;34371035]Well kids are awesome in a lord of the flies like situation where they're all being horribly brutal to each other due to lack of supervision or guidance. But saving the world, nah.[/QUOTE] btw they didn't really save anything they just kind of fucked it up, and then unfucked it a little in fact pretty much everyone in akira fucks things up, be it the control freak government, the anarchist yooths, or the exploited kids caught in the middle.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34371244]because it's about a young generation that are entirely cut off from their more ritualistic and old world elders akira is just fucking post WW2 Japan and the clash between the younger and older generations mixed with tons of philosophy and amazing fight sequences making the protagonists of Akira adults would make as much sense as making the characters in boys in the hood white [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] btw they didn't really save anything they just kind of fucked it up, and then unfucked it a little in fact pretty much everyone in akira fucks things up, be it the control freak government, the anarchist yooths, or the exploited kids caught in the middle.[/QUOTE] If by 'post-WWII Japan' you mean 'A dystopian Japan set in the year 2019', then yes.

really the reason that a lot of anime stars kids is because japan is a fucking crucible of expectations and pressure young characters are unused to extreme environments and as such are a nice contrast when your story is about how fucking horrible and fucked up everything is, even when all of the people living in your "made up" world are used to it not that that's why it's like that all the time, but whatever [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;34371270]If by 'post-WWII Japan' you mean 'A dystopian Japan set in the year 2019', then yes.[/QUOTE] sci fi is a story telling method to remove the viewer from a setting and separate them from their inherent biases so that current attitudes and emotions can be examined more objectively go back to story telling school [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] and yes, japan is the leader in animation they do it the best that's just how it is the french come in second place maybe

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34371244]because it's about a young generation that are entirely cut off from their more ritualistic and old world elders akira is just fucking post WW2 Japan and the clash between the younger and older generations mixed with tons of philosophy and amazing fight sequences making the protagonists of Akira adults would make as much sense as making the characters in boys in the hood white [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] btw they didn't really save anything they just kind of fucked it up, and then unfucked it a little in fact pretty much everyone in akira fucks things up, be it the control freak government, the anarchist yooths, or the exploited kids caught in the middle.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind for this Japano-centric understanding of Akira you must have some knowledge about Akira. I've personally said it before, when I first saw Akira, I didn't see anything japanese in it apart from the artstyle. It was only later that someone explained to me, that it was focused on Japapenese post world war trauma. So to someone like me, who has little not no interest about anime, apart from what I get strongly recommend by a few people I trust in their choice, the narrative drive in it feels off. It's still good, just off. I'd personally say that there's a different "average" hero in japanese modern cliches compared to western. I'd like to cite Nier as an example again. Which did ship in two distinct versions. And it's certainly possible, that just like jokes don't translate well over cultures, neither do certain narrative standards.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34371275]sci fi is a story telling method to remove the viewer from a setting and separate them from their inherent biases so that current attitudes and emotions can be examined more objectively go back to story telling school[/QUOTE] I'm aware that it's sci-fi, and that the story revolves around similar traumas as post-war Japan (with the story taking place in the wake of a recent nuclear explosion in Tokyo), but I'm just saying that it's not the same timeframe.

Just one thing I've noticed in a few that slightly annoys me is the obligatory gender adrogenous character.

I like a few animes but I can see where a lot of people are coming from if they dislike it. Personally I think Full Metal Alchemist, Deathnote, anything by Studio Ghibli, Akira and Cowboy Bebop are good but they still have a few of the things that I don't really like. The same can be said for a lot of western films though, I've noticed that a lot of American films tend to shove forced romance plots into every movie even if it isn't really necessary. [editline]24th January 2012[/editline] That and hiring the most attractive actor over the most talented one.

I personally dislike the style it is animated in the most. It looks very cheap and there are barely any frames when characters move around. Then there is the art style itself, I personally, do not find it very appealing.