[QUOTE=CommanderPT;34372127]I personally dislike the style it is animated in the most. It looks very cheap and there are barely any frames when characters move around.
Then there is the art style itself, I personally, do not find it very appealing.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that there are different art styles, and not every show uses shit-tier Korean animators because they're cheap
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t26m_Q6ENo[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2H_FsmxWzc[/media]
Here's an example of a pretty interesting art style (IMO) and SEVEN YEARS of hand drawn animation
[QUOTE=squids_eye;34372067]The same can be said for a lot of western films though, I've noticed that a lot of American films tend to shove forced romance plots into every movie even if it isn't really necessary.
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That and hiring the most attractive actor over the most talented one.[/QUOTE]
This, pretty much. We're just so used to it that we don't find it particularly weird out when we come across it in western media, even though we can recognize it as negative qualities.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;34372127]I personally dislike the style it is animated in the most. It looks very cheap and there are barely any frames when characters move around.
Then there is the art style itself, I personally, do not find it very appealing.[/QUOTE]
Art styles differ hugely, as stated above.
I'm not the best person to talk about animation quality though, as I've grown accustomed to the cheapness of a large part of what you can see out there. It really doesn't bother me, I would get exactly the same experience even if every single frame was meticulously drawn.
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[QUOTE=squids_eye;34372067]The same can be said for a lot of western films though, I've noticed that a lot of American films tend to shove forced romance plots into every movie even if it isn't really necessary.
Edited:
That and hiring the most attractive actor over the most talented one.
[/QUOTE]
Oh god yes.
Too much yes. I could name so many movies which would have been tonnes better if they'd kept out the "love" and used that time to advance the actual plot.
Cromartie Highschool :v:
I find anime sometimes funny since it's often childish. (mostly romantic or comedy animes) I'm not a big fan of anime, but I enjoy mostly every tv show that can keep me entertained for 22 minutes.
I'm not a particular fan of Anime, but I don't mind if it appears here and there.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;34368815][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzR100s5RY[/media]
First seven episodes of Gurren Lagann were the most amazing thing ever. The last three were pretty good too.[/QUOTE]
10 episodes?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gurren_Lagann_episodes]There are 27 dude.[/url]
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=pawelte1;34372612]I'm not a particular fan of Anime, but I don't mind if it appears here and there.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/241125.png?garryis=awesome[/img]
[QUOTE=koeniginator;34374110]10 episodes?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gurren_Lagann_episodes]There are 27 dude.[/url]
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/241125.png?garryis=awesome[/img][/QUOTE]
He meant the first seven episodes were some of the best, and so were the last three. It was all amazing though.
And so what if someone has an Anime avatar? Just means they liked that specific one.
[QUOTE=nightlord;34374159]He meant the first seven episodes were some of the best, and so were the last three. It was all amazing though.
And so what if someone has an Anime avatar? Just means they liked that one.[/QUOTE]
Ah, that makes sense. I was dumb. :v:
I wasn't trying to argue anything about his avatar, I just found it a bit funny.
ITT: People who haven't watched Neon Genesis Evangelion
Watch that and see if you can still put all anime into one category.
Another anime that hasn't been mentioned and that is very well worth watching is Detective Conan.
A very unusual anime that focuses on logical problem solving (mostly murder cases), although its main plot is based on a fictional event.
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
Oh and animes like Naruto and One Piece are better in their manga form, because the animation (especially Toei's) and fillers tend to ruin it.
Forget about Bleach.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;34374196]Ah, that makes sense. I was dumb. :v:
I wasn't trying to argue anything about his avatar, I just found it a bit funny.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah. I knew someone would notice that sooner or later.
Still, my opinion has been unchanged for a long time and I think I won't change it anytime soon.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;34374621]
Forget about Bleach.[/QUOTE]
Man bleach was good until the first Soul Society arc ended.
(then again I do very loosely follow it today so)
I think alot of FP hates it because it goes down to this:
Bad stories - Bleach and Naruto which have bad stories that have no imagination at all and anyone could have thought of them.
Themes - Its like they want us to see little girls doing shit. But then, multiply that by 90% of the animes.
Explicit and exaggerated sexual content and design - A friend of mine who is into everything with boobs in anime showed me the usual "boy meets girl, girl kills boy, another girl saves boy and gives him powers" anime. Said anime had these angels against devils thing, and the angels tried to kill this human kid because of whatever. Then this devil girl showed up, revived him and gave him powers.
Imagine the size of every girl that is important to the plot. Yup, bigger than their heads. And every time a girl moves, those gargantuan milk monsters bounce more than someone on a trampolin. Its as if they were long hair, and when you turn your head they do that motion of following your body instead of just staying still with your chest.
Then the girl wakes up in the kid's bed all naked for some reason...
We don't need more shit like that where theres sexual content because of... Shit I don't know, just so one can rub it out while he watches if its his thing. It even gets retarded when you make the characters, since they end up being boobs with a person attached to them.
Cutesy crap - kawaii everywhere, except for those animes that are actually good.
I believe these are the points that make anime shit. Look at Cowboy Bebop. IMO, one of the greatest shows ever in the anime group, and if it had any of those elements I just listed, it was only a very very small bit of it and nothing else. And its story was magnificent.
Samurai Champloo, along with Cowboy Bebop had an amazing story paired with a great soundtrack and art style.
Whenever I see animes I like it kinda annoys me that it's hard for me to find good ones, and in order for me to find them I'd have to go through a lot of insufferable anime that moulds to all the stereotypes that people have grown to hate.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34371244]because it's about a young generation that are entirely cut off from their more ritualistic and old world elders
akira is just fucking post WW2 Japan and the clash between the younger and older generations mixed with tons of philosophy and amazing fight sequences
making the protagonists of Akira adults would make as much sense as making the characters in boys in the hood white
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btw they didn't really save anything they just kind of fucked it up, and then unfucked it a little
in fact pretty much everyone in akira fucks things up, be it the control freak government, the anarchist yooths, or the exploited kids caught in the middle.[/QUOTE]
they're like 19 anyway
besides, the world gets fucked anyway. i don't think having the billion(s?) of people in future tokyo dieing in a fucking nuclear godbomb explosion is "saving" it. it'd probably end up like the road warrior anyway
Anime is a category of entertainment media originally made to target Eastern audiences with a different taste. Saying anime suck is pretty much the same as saying all animated cartoons suck, regardless of title and subgenre. It is incredibly unreasonable and bias to say all anime suck because those who say it usually only heard of horrible mainstream titles like Lucky Star and think all anime is like that while it is not, and it's usually the Westerners who grew up in a completely different culture would say things like this.
Imagine a bunch of Asians insulting all cartoon shows including the ones you were grown up with, simply because they saw shows that doesn't fit their taste.
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It's also dumb when people automatically associate those who watches anime as weaboos. Being a weaboo is a "lifestyle" people chooses because they are obsessed with it. Not everyone who watches anime develops chronic obsession, just like not every Harry Potter fan have twenty posters of it in their room, draws a scar on their forehead, have a wand collection, and/or wears black capes and round spectacles..
[QUOTE=koeniginator;34374110]10 episodes?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gurren_Lagann_episodes]There are 27 dude.[/url]
[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that the first seven were good, and then the series was okay until the last three when it picked up again.
[QUOTE=NotMeh;34374621]ITT: People who haven't watched Neon Genesis Evangelion
Watch that and see if you can still put all anime into one category.
Another anime that hasn't been mentioned and that is very well worth watching is Detective Conan.
A very unusual anime that focuses on logical problem solving (mostly murder cases), although its main plot is based on a fictional event.
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
Oh and animes like Naruto and One Piece are better in their manga form, because the animation (especially Toei's) and fillers tend to ruin it.
Forget about Bleach.[/QUOTE]
Seriously this. Watch Evangelion before you start criticizing Anime, [b]especially[/b] when you criticize the animation quality. It's really funny because in western animation companies are moving away from higher quality traditional animation and towards the cheaper and typically worse quality computer animation with tools like Flash. Speaking of Evangelion and animation, Gainax actually made a show [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panty_%26_Stocking_with_Garterbelt]making fun of us, and our animation in particular[/url]. I don't watch many TV shows anymore, but it's pretty clear that our animation is [url=http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/thumb/d/df/Notalenthackjob.png/800px-Notalenthackjob.png]no[/url] [url=http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2400000/izzy-total-drama-island-2428075-590-340.jpg]longer[/url] [url=http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/447518/jen-masterson-and-6teen-gallery.png]superior.[/url]
[QUOTE=Neat!;34376295]they're like 19 anyway
besides, the world gets fucked anyway. i don't think having the billion(s?) of people in future tokyo dieing in a fucking nuclear godbomb explosion is "saving" it. it'd probably end up like the road warrior anyway[/QUOTE]
actually it ends up exactly like that
go read the manga my lovelies
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[QUOTE=dass;34375270]I think alot of FP hates it because it goes down to this:
Bad stories - Bleach and Naruto which have bad stories that have no imagination at all and anyone could have thought of them.
Themes - Its like they want us to see little girls doing shit. But then, multiply that by 90% of the animes.
Explicit and exaggerated sexual content and design - A friend of mine who is into everything with boobs in anime showed me the usual "boy meets girl, girl kills boy, another girl saves boy and gives him powers" anime. Said anime had these angels against devils thing, and the angels tried to kill this human kid because of whatever. Then this devil girl showed up, revived him and gave him powers.
Imagine the size of every girl that is important to the plot. Yup, bigger than their heads. And every time a girl moves, those gargantuan milk monsters bounce more than someone on a trampolin. Its as if they were long hair, and when you turn your head they do that motion of following your body instead of just staying still with your chest.
Then the girl wakes up in the kid's bed all naked for some reason...
We don't need more shit like that where theres sexual content because of... Shit I don't know, just so one can rub it out while he watches if its his thing. It even gets retarded when you make the characters, since they end up being boobs with a person attached to them.
Cutesy crap - kawaii everywhere, except for those animes that are actually good.
I believe these are the points that make anime shit. Look at Cowboy Bebop. IMO, one of the greatest shows ever in the anime group, and if it had any of those elements I just listed, it was only a very very small bit of it and nothing else. And its story was magnificent.[/QUOTE]
is it just me or do you people get really weird whenever sexuality comes up
i mean yeah that ero shit is fucking stupid 99 times out of 100 but it's not like it's any more stupid than Transformers or any of that schlock, and not any more pandering or offensive. it's just pandering to a different audience.
fucking ignore it and move on, it's just a show jesus christ.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34376872] Speaking of Evangelion and animation, Gainax actually made a show [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panty_%26_Stocking_with_Garterbelt]making fun of us, and our animation in particular[/url]. I don't watch many TV shows anymore, but it's pretty clear that our animation is [url=http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/thumb/d/df/Notalenthackjob.png/800px-Notalenthackjob.png]no[/url] [url=http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2400000/izzy-total-drama-island-2428075-590-340.jpg]longer[/url] [url=http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/447518/jen-masterson-and-6teen-gallery.png]superior.[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh wow, didn't realize that Gainax made that.
I watch anime, I hate most anime.
I don't like it when people say that ALL anime is bad.
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;34377166]But isn't Evangelion full of the clichés that make stereotypical anime criticism?
Socially awkward boy, unrealistically big-chested 14 year old girls, several moments exploring the connection of the two
[img]http://wiki.evageeks.org/images/4/41/10_C059_bigger.jpg[/img]
The [I]rest[/I] of the story is fairly interesting, though. (except for the last two episodes)[/QUOTE]
It's actually not archetypal at all, you're oversimplifying it
[img]http://i.imgur.com/zYE2h.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34376875]actually it ends up exactly like that
go read the manga my lovelies[/QUOTE]
Even that part, like the rest of the manga, was steeped in Japanese culture.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34377304]Even that part, like the rest of the manga, was steeped in Japanese culture.[/QUOTE]
im surprised you haven't brought up Lupin the third yet
that series is almost always fucking amazing
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34377371]im surprised you haven't brought up Lupin the third yet
that series is almost always fucking amazing[/QUOTE]
It was the first anime I ever watched. The original movie and tv series were great, the newer movies are pretty good too.
I personally find it a bit odd, but also (some of it) quite amusing. If people like anime, let them like it!
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34377371]im surprised you haven't brought up Lupin the third yet
that series is almost always fucking amazing[/QUOTE]
Lupin the 3rd is also really good, but it's not really about Japan or Japanese culture, as it takes place in various world locations, with Lupin being half-French/half-Japanese.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34377767]Lupin the 3rd is also really good, but it's not really about Japan or Japanese culture, as it takes place in various world locations, with Lupin being half-French/half-Japanese.[/QUOTE]
who cares
it's good anime made in japan by the japanese(and some koreans)
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;34377817]who cares
it's good anime made in japan by the japanese(and some koreans)[/QUOTE]
I get that, I was just remarking on the essence of the story being told.
It is good.
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