Is the general Dislike of Anime unwarranted? - General

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;34362333]But see K-ON and you'll probably understand why we all dislike anime. It's like the most retarded thing ever, I watched it for 2 minutes before giving up[/QUOTE] thats like disliking all live shows for jersey shore, i hope you realize.

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;34397757]This is compounded by recent anime catering to very specific niches[/QUOTE] This is why I don't like most modern anime. Sadly the niche that most anime are trying to get too these days isn't the one i'm in so I can find rarely find an anime for me. This year the only anime I found that I truly loved was kaiji. These days It feels like I see the cast of haruhi suzumiya re-branded a million times. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=J. Jett;34445235]This. Many people who dislike anime tend to say that recent anime is shit and how it all used to be good many years ago.[/QUOTE] Well anime in the past tended to have more appeal to western audiences without having to appeal to a niche group. I like anime but its a pretty unoriginal medium with trends effecting it more then most medium. For someone who isn't already into the current trend of anime you can only look back to find something for you. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;34454081]Where can I watch the English dub of Death Note? Hulu only has subbed as far as I saw.[/QUOTE] Its on netflix and if you just google it you could find steams of it. [editline]29th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=1337M347;34457205]Dunno why nobody talks about Samurai Champloo though (it's pretty friggen great and made by the same people who made Cowboy Bebop.)[/QUOTE] I hear it wasn't popular in japan. I think it was truly great and maybe the fact that it wasn't apart of the current norm might be the reason it wasn't so popular.

I think it's a shame that the work of some talented artists and writers is ignored because of their cultural upbringing. There are some real gems amongst all the crap but a lot of people are too narrow minded to bother looking for them.

Anime overall is a very broad genre. It's like generalising a particular form of art style, like Dada or something of the sort. You cant' say all of its bad unless you generally don't like it, in which case it's your taste. However anime is massive in Japan, it's a lot like video games. Not everyone likes them, and when people do like it, they can get obsessive and annoying over it. And the actual games themselves are a 50/50. You have the worse games imaginable, then you have these beautifully constructed pieces of art that should be shown for years to come for what is the right thing to do with this style. Same thing with Anime. You have the wonderfully and beautifully done Serial Experiments Lain, a surrealist sci-fi anime. Or Ghost in the Shell, a heavily political and philosophical anime that poses some mind-blowing theories and concepts about humanities connection to the net and its social sciences. (I can go on with examples but whatever) Then you have lucky star, which is a horrendously obtuse constant array of shit that makes me want to murder a child, or the NUMEROUS animes which are basically fanservice shows filled with big tits and more big tits. [editline]30th January 2012[/editline] and some more big tits [editline]30th January 2012[/editline] also, to answer the thread title, it is highly unwarranted. Just like the media's hatred of video games is unwarranted. Not to deny their are issues in either group, but they're so massive, it's difficult to point out and generalise.

Anime isn't a genre, though

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;34461346]Anime isn't a genre, though[/QUOTE] It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34461400]It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.[/QUOTE] just like "movies" or "music"

[QUOTE='[Green];34434936']Anyone trying to go with an argument that anime is undetailed is horribly wrong for the most part. Sure, the lower quality stuff is worse in details and overall visuals, but that applies just as well to Western cartoons. Great example of anime detail taken seriously is stuff like Dead Leaves, Panty & Stocking and Tengen-Toppa Gurren Lagann. All three have pretty frigging neat details that you miss on the first time watching. Second time you start noticing them and start appreciating the work the animators have put into them.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I don't think comparing cartoons to anime goes very well, due to the market size and saturation. As far as cartoon is concerned you tend to only have a relatively small number of shows that are not directed at small children (bob the builder and stuff like that). Anime on the other hand tends to saturate, even over saturate the market similar like B-movies do in the west. Thanks to this, it's easier to find a good western cartoon than it it is to find a decent anime. There's a whole lot less of crap surrounding the good pieces.

[QUOTE=Crimor;34461534]just like "movies" or "music"[/QUOTE] in a way, it's exactly on that level. It's so broad, what with pictures, music, movies, television, mangas etc. [editline]30th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=wraithcat;34461541]To be honest, I don't think comparing cartoons to anime goes very well, due to the market size and saturation. As far as cartoon is concerned you tend to only have a relatively small number of shows that are not directed at small children (bob the builder and stuff like that). Anime on the other hand tends to saturate, even over saturate the market similar like B-movies do in the west. Thanks to this, it's easier to find a good western cartoon than it it is to find a decent anime. There's a whole lot less of crap surrounding the good pieces.[/QUOTE] it's like when I try to find good films to watch. So much shit, but eventually you'll find a masterpiece.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34461400]It's an specific art style composed of sub-genres from other genres, I should say.[/QUOTE] A specific art style that can take hold of various art styles. That is to say, not a specific art style at all. Where did you get that idea?

Anime is a form of media so the general dislike of Anime is completely unwarranted. That's like saying "Oh man, I hate Television." Sure, some people do but it's still illogical. Some anime is better than others, just like TV. I'd rather watch Top Gear than Jersey Shore, but I don't think all TV is bad just because of Jersey Shore. Also, some of the fans give Anime a bad name, what with Narutards, Weeaboos, and eccentric moe fans being retarded. Dictionary: Narutard: Someone who takes their obsession of Naruto too far. Can be seen wearing headbands, making handsigns, and saying BELIEVE IT all the time. Weeaboo: A non-asian who does everything possible to embrace the asian culture. This often involves learning Japanese (Usually very poorly. See: Wapanese), buying anime dolls, and talking about their Waifu. Wapanese: The very broken attempts of a Weeaboo to speak Japanese. Some example phrases consist of "SHE IS SO KAWAII~" and "(INSERT SENTENCE) DESU!" Kawaii: Means cute. Weeaboos tend to abuse this word along with Desu. Waifu: Some people have taken their obsession so far that they have coined a term for their "Anime Wife". These are generally anime characters that the person reveres to the point of pretending that the character is their Wife and calling them their "Waifu". Cowboy Bebop is a fantastic anime though and it's a shame that there's such a stigma surrounding anime. Some anime can be intelligent. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYDwWTOO2I[/media]

IIRC Weeaboo was originally a word filter on 4chan for Wapanese because moot didn't like people insulting the anime fandom.

And the word comes from a Perry Bible Fellowship comic where it means literally nothing

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;34473389]Cowboy Bebop has been mentioned so many times on this thread anyone that ignores it over the typical anime stereotype is just stupid. It really is great[/QUOTE] Yeah. I specifically chose that scene because it shows that not everyone is a crazy ninja samurai wielding magical powers who doesn't know how to use common sense but somehow automatically makes friends with everyone. Anime can be intelligent. Characters can have deep realistic personalities and there can be character dynamics. Just because something is animated doesn't mean it's automatically for children. After all, anime is made by adults so why can't adults make anime for adults? Oh wait, they can.

People keep mentioning Cowboy Bebop (I still have to watch it though), but people always seem to be overlooking [url=http://myanimelist.net/anime/19/Monster]Monster[/url]. I haven't seen anyone mention this one. It's one of the best in my opinion and should be up in the top with the other ones mentioned here.

[QUOTE=J. Jett;34445235]This. Many people who dislike anime tend to say that recent anime is shit and how it all used to be good many years ago. There was plenty of shit anime back then which is forgotten, and the only ones people are mentioning are the best ones. Just like today - there's plenty of shit anime, with good memorable ones too.[/QUOTE] I definitely agree that there was shit anime in the past. Unfortunately, I haven't really seen one that exceeded the animation quality of Akira or the numerous themes in GiTS.

[QUOTE=Secrios;34398229]American TV is too stable[/QUOTE] In other words you aren't familiar with American TV.

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;34473389]Cowboy Bebop has been mentioned so many times on this thread anyone that ignores it over the typical anime stereotype is just stupid. It really is great[/QUOTE] I wish more anime were like it. Its something anyone could enjoy. Even someone who doesn't know what anime is. The characters don't have this stereotypical anime feel to it that puts a lot of people (me included) away from most anime.

[QUOTE=J. Jett;34474770]People keep mentioning Cowboy Bebop (I still have to watch it though), but people always seem to be overlooking [url=http://myanimelist.net/anime/19/Monster]Monster[/url]. I haven't seen anyone mention this one. It's one of the best in my opinion and should be up in the top with the other ones mentioned here.[/QUOTE] Hell fucking yes. Magnificent Steiner in the house.

When Toonami was around there were a few anime shows around that I liked including several of the Gundam series, Outlaw Star, and Big O. When shows like Naruto started coming in I was a bit skeptical because they didn't have the feel that the older shows had, until I was introduced to FLCL, Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Negima, and a few of the Miyazaki Movies which I absolutely fell in love with. When shows like Family Guy, American Dad, and Futurama came in I watched a few parts of them and I was to the most part disgusted by them because of the outright stupidity in the shows and when Cartoon Network began replacing good shows like Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy, Dexter's Lab, and Courage The Cowardly Dog with bullshit like Chowder, Adventure Time, and Flapjack I pretty much went "Fuck It" and started watching some anime shows online. This is also one of the big reasons I don't touch My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic or any of the new cartoon shows that are brought onto television by The Hub, Nick, and Cartoon Network. The reason I liked anime over some of the newer cartoon shows is because they have semi-realistic designs for environments and characters, they have intelligent dialogue, and they often have jokes that don't have to do with randomly farting on someone for no god damn reason.

[QUOTE=J. Jett;34474770]People keep mentioning Cowboy Bebop (I still have to watch it though), but people always seem to be overlooking [URL="http://myanimelist.net/anime/19/Monster"]Monster[/URL]. I haven't seen anyone mention this one. It's one of the best in my opinion and should be up in the top with the other ones mentioned here.[/QUOTE] Might as well toss gits in there too, it has a deeper and better plot than anything tv or movies could shit out nowadays :v:

[QUOTE]Anime is a prime example of why two nukes just wasn't enough[/QUOTE] That's the definition of REAL unwarranted dislike...

There's like two people at my school that like Anime, they've tried to show me some of it (can't remember the name of it), and correct me if i'm missing something, but it just seems like cartoons, bit childish if you ask me. Unless it's classed as an art or something.

I don't like most of it, but that's probably because their dialogue sounds more awkward in English than in Japanese. I certainly hope it sounds more fluid in Japanese, anyway.

I used to really hate anime as a kid mostly because my sister was really into it and she watched a lot of terrible stuff. It was mostly the "Cute girls doing cute things" type ,so that really just pushed me away from it. Today I still stray away from it ,but I do have a weak spot Hetalia: Axis Powers. The type of humor in it just really gets me.

[QUOTE=Adzter;34532421]There's like two people at my school that like Anime, they've tried to show me some of it (can't remember the name of it), and correct me if i'm missing something, but it just seems like cartoons, bit childish if you ask me. Unless it's classed as an art or something.[/QUOTE] You are missing something. The mistake people make is thinking that they can judge all of it based on a handful of shows that they don't like. It's like watching 'Norbit' and giving up on movies entirely because you assume the rest are the same.

Hating ANYTHING generally without looking at the whole picture is just unwarranted. There is loads of different animes out there and I can bet that most of you have at least 1 anime you like for whatever reason. I mean sure, there is a big bunch of similar shows such as "cute girls doing cute things" or "kawaii harem trash" and others but really, there's so many different takes and approaches onto anime, it's crazy. It's like watching Ed Edd & Eddy, thinking it was horrible, and assuming all western cartoons are trash like that. (EE&E is amazing btw) Each anime has different takes and lines to everything. Main point is, you are ignorant if you think lowly of anime in general without actually giving attention to all the genres.

Hm, I can't really think many animes I enjoyed, off the top of my head (Pokemon due to it being rather well-advertised, anything by Hayao Miyazaki), but alas, the general quality of the media tends to be low to only make pornographic consumption of it, of much worth. Still, there are shows like Ghost in the Shell and Fist of the North Star that do make great exceptions.

I actually liked anime when I was 7-13 years old. Then for some reason, I couldn't stand it anymore after I was 14.

Anime can be good. For example, Full Metal Alchemist seemed to be a pretty good anime. From what I could gather, it had a great plot and it wasn't [B]full of blood and tits[/B]. This is why I generally dislike anime. Because every time they have a shitty reason to, the creators shove a bunch of half-naked animated she-males with tails out of their asses at you. It's really not funny or cute. If I wanted to watch tits, there is this nice place called Pornhub. A lot of anime doesn't do this, but a good portion of it does. Even if it's once an episode, it gets on my nerves just for the sheer fact they do it in the most stupid situations. Girl 1: "Hey, see those crocodiles in the river?" Girl 2: "Yeah! Do you think we should take off half of our clothes and go swimming with them?" Girl 1: "I thought you'd never ask!" As for the blood, it depends. I don't mind blood and all that, but constant amounts just seems stupid to me. Conclusion: Most anime has too much blood and half-naked girls. The ones that don't, generally lack in story and/or plot. PS: Don't bring up the whole, "HA UR GAY CUZ U DONT LIEK PR0NZ AND BLUD" bullshit.