Why not to send people to labour camps instead of executing them? - General

[QUOTE=OvB;24571578]Because all forced labor is wrong. If its voluntary then I don't care if they work their ass off.[/QUOTE] Why would forced labour be wrong? You force people into prisons, you take away their freedom, why not make them pay for the costs they induced because of asocial behaviour. Now, crime is always bad for the state, it's costly & it lowers the life quality of other people. With forced labour (labour that doesn't hurt them, so no mining at -20°C or something like that), criminals would pay of their costs to the state, and maybe even let them earn something with it so they realize that that's the way to gain currency in a normal society. Labour is actually never really "free", because if your dad stops working, they come sell your house, take your car, etc. Prison isn't fun, and it shouldn't be. It should re-educate inmates so they can reintegrate in the society, but it should also be a way of scaring people in the first place.

[QUOTE=Number-41;24613167]Why would forced labour be wrong? You force people into prisons, you take away their freedom, why not make them pay for the costs they induced because of asocial behaviour. Now, crime is always bad for the state, it's costly & it lowers the life quality of other people. With forced labour (labour that doesn't hurt them, so no mining at -20°C or something like that), criminals would pay of their costs to the state, and maybe even let them earn something with it so they realize that that's the way to gain currency in a normal society.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The problem is, the vast majority of US citizens can't think for themselves.

Make them fight to the death for our entertainment

[QUOTE=FreeThinker;24613205]Exactly. The problem is, the vast majority of US citizens can't think for themselves.[/QUOTE] Wat

ITT: "Forced labor is wrong." "SO THAT MUST MEAN YOU SUPPORT EXECUTION DERP"

Fordced labour wouldn't work in the modern world because if a criminal knows he's going to spend all of enternity working in a labour camp then he won't bother, he'll be sloppy and make whatever they're producing in poor quality, meaning you waste the resources used to build and those used to clothe, feed and house the criminal. I mean what punishment can you offer to a life sentance convict to promote them to work well?

Forced labour is legal under the 14th amendment...or one of those ones. Only as a governmental punishment though. I'm not sure if many places still do it, but a long time ago you had the black folk picking cotton all day at Missisipi State Prison (the only prison in that state for some reason) and if they didn't fullfil their quota they were whipped. As soon as I learn about something someone brings it up, it's an odd phenomenon. I read about this on wikipedia a couple days ago.

[QUOTE=Poketama;24615027]Forced labour is legal under the 14th amendment...or one of those ones. Only as a governmental punishment though. I'm not sure if many places still do it, but a long time ago you had the black folk picking cotton all day at Missisipi State Prison (the only prison in that state for some reason) and if they didn't fullfil their quota they were whipped. As soon as I learn about something someone brings it up, it's an odd phenomenon. I read about this on wikipedia a couple days ago.[/QUOTE] perfect point /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Thats called slavery not forced labor, Poketama. I don't see whats wrong with this, really. Would you rather live an average day of being confined in a small cell, being raped in the showers, then getting the shit beaten out of you in the yard? Or would you rather build roads/buildings or make license plates or something. It won't be like Gulag style shit where you get a piece of bread every day, it would be just like living a free life except you have to go home to a prison cell and you don't get payed.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;24571473]The grand debate[/QUOTE] El grande debate

It's not safe to hand murderers work tools, they're easily used as weapons. Also, why should the constitution apply for amurderers etc.? I mean seriously, they abandoned their own freedom when they took away their victim's.

Legitimate labor unions and actual workers who work for money and towards a better life are going to be pissed if they are being replaced with a cheaper form of labor that consists of the outcasts of society.

[QUOTE=Callius;24614411]Fordced labour wouldn't work in the modern world because if a criminal knows he's going to spend all of enternity working in a labour camp then he won't bother, he'll be sloppy and make whatever they're producing in poor quality, meaning you waste the resources used to build and those used to clothe, feed and house the criminal. I mean what punishment can you offer to a life sentance convict to promote them to work well?[/QUOTE] Give them better living quality the better they work? Like a TV with more channels and better food etc, etc, there are lots of stuff you can give them the better they work and still make a good profit out of it. [editline]08:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zee!;24615425]It's not safe to hand murderers work tools, they're easily used as weapons. Also, why should the constitution apply for amurderers etc.? I mean seriously, they abandoned their own freedom when they took away their victim's.[/QUOTE] Because they are still human beings?

Because then you'd loose jobs, and that story tells itself.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24571626]but yet being forced to die is not?[/QUOTE] Some people can be cured of criminal activity and some can't. The ones who cannot be cured should die because they will never contribute to society and only be a detriment. [editline]08:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24617437] Because they are still human beings?[/QUOTE] They JUST TOOK A GODDAMN LIFE. You're taking away the right to live from someone, permanently. [editline]08:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zee!;24615425]It's not safe to hand murderers work tools, they're easily used as weapons. Also, why should the constitution apply for amurderers etc.? I mean seriously, they abandoned their own freedom when they took away their victim's.[/QUOTE] You lose rights when when you commit a felony.

Oh it's this thread again. I thought we already determined the OP was an idiot.

That'd make too much sense

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;24631279]Some people can be cured of criminal activity and some can't. The ones who cannot be cured should die because they will never contribute to society and only be a detriment.[/QUOTE] kill senior citizens because they are nothing but a detriment to society. seriously, you're going to kill people because they don't contribute to society? what the fuck is wrong with you? [quote]They JUST TOOK A GODDAMN LIFE. You're taking away the right to live from someone, permanently.[/quote] and? they have rights too. isn't the government taking away THEIR right to live? welcome to the paradox of the death penalty. [quote]You lose rights when when you commit a felony.[/quote] lol that's not how rights work.

[QUOTE=FreeThinker;24571304]They would compensate it by labour and produce additional profit. :downs:[/QUOTE] What if it's a deranged lunatic that manages to escape and kills 3 more people before he's captured? Plus, labor camps would basically be inhumane torture.

It would be good if there was a way to control the camps without too much trouble. They should also treat the really bad criminals (child rapists n stuff) like shit.

OOO! OP! While were bringin slavery back, lets ditch that silly freedom while were at it! I mean freedom of speech only lets people argue! And lets move back into Britan too! Just hand them the goddamn keys to the country! The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing. They wanted freedom and they got it. They represent the ESCENCE of the country. Hell, we inspired the French. Now, YOU are insulting The Founding Fathers, hence, insulting your country. So if your unhappy with your country, go live in North Korea. PLENTY of camps there. Oh, and theres no freedom, just like you like it. P.S. Im not ditching Britan here. Just for shits and giggles though: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St2FCxtlV7w[/url]

[QUOTE=FreeThinker;24571444]And executing them is not :downs:[/QUOTE] Yeah that's cool lets also just rape people instead of murdering them from now on.

Reasons against forced labor: 1- Forced labor is directly correlated to slavery in the views of many. Start sending people to labor camp and you'll have fucking EVERYBODY complaining. From the black to the Jews. 2- Labor requires tools. There's a reason why they don't let people bring certain objects into jail cells. 3- Sloppy work from the prisoners. Sorry guys but forced labor has no place in a society that prides itself so much in freedom.

[QUOTE=FreeThinker;24571274]Why not to send people to labour camps instead of executing them? If they were sent to labour camps, they would do a lot of benefit to the society. Labour would make enough profit to cover the cost of labour camps and produce additional profit. Death penalty seems dumb and irrational to me.[/QUOTE] People in jail go out and do community service. Serial killers would be far too dangerous/risky, so killing them is the only way. Besides, shackling them up and forcing them to be slaves is 'illegal'.

It's just the same as keeping them in prison. If you give them tools they will either try to fight their way out or just do nothing becuase you can't kill a man twice. Its pointless.

[QUOTE=zombiefreak;24631279]They JUST TOOK A GODDAMN LIFE. You're taking away the right to live from someone, permanently.[/QUOTE] So if someone takes a life that makes him not human anymore?

[QUOTE=OvB;24571434]Because forcing people to work is cruel and unusual punishment.[/QUOTE] How is that cruel compared to death? The prisoners around here just cut grass and shit every day.

I have an idea, how about they pick, Death or labor? You know what one they will pick 99% of the time.

I looked into it, turns out labor camps are a direct violation of human rights. Why execution isn't is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24615125]Thats called slavery not forced labor, Poketama. I don't see whats wrong with this, really. Would you rather live an average day of being confined in a small cell, being raped in the showers, then getting the shit beaten out of you in the yard? Or would you rather build roads/buildings or make license plates or something. It won't be like Gulag style shit where you get a piece of bread every day, it would be just like living a free life except you have to go home to a prison cell and you don't get payed.[/QUOTE] Little late but no, it's not slavery, it was a punishment in a prison. Up until the 30s or so. Plus if you were doing labour you'd probably still be in that small cell, just leaving during the day. [QUOTE=Rombishead;24633694]It's just the same as keeping them in prison. If you give them tools they will either try to fight their way out or just do nothing becuase you can't kill a man twice. Its pointless.[/QUOTE] Back then they had the most ruthless kills armed with rifles to watch over the prisoners while they were mining and shit. Seriously. I don't support this anyway, just adding to the discussion.