[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794364]"proper responsibility for your own life" is a thing that only exists in western movies. no one "deserves" to be murdered for their unwillingness to go to whatever extreme you've deigned is necessary to protect their own lives.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
yeah, you totally did.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
right here:
do you also think that women who were raped "shouldn't have been dressed like that" or "shouldn't have gone into that alley"[/QUOTE]
Clearly you fail at reading comprehension. Are you trying to demonize me as some retarded gun nut?
Allow me to redirect you to this post:
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33793270]I don't think he meant owning a gun, he was responding to the one guy saying something along the lines of "THE POLICE ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT ME" in that context.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for playing.
also stop talking like this
do you think youre funny or original
Really, all it shows about you is that you suffer from Autism.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794364]do you also think that women who were raped "shouldn't have been dressed like that" or "shouldn't have gone into that alley"[/QUOTE]
those stupid sluts could have avoided it if they took proper responsibility. better luck next time ladies
[QUOTE=semite;33794442]
Thanks for playing.
also stop talking like this
do you think youre funny or original
Really, all it shows about you is that you suffer from Autism.[/QUOTE]
yeah but i disagree with the entire premise that anyone "deserves whatever happens to them" as a result of not doing X
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
i dont think anyone can deserve to be murdered for not doing whatever it is that you said people "deserved whatever happened to them" for not doing
[QUOTE=semite;33794442]Clearly you fail at reading comprehension. Are you trying to demonize me as some retarded gun nut?
Allow me to redirect you to this post:
Thanks for playing.
also stop talking like this
do you think youre funny or original
Really, all it shows about you is that you suffer from Autism.[/QUOTE]
He isn't even talking like this
what are you on about
really tell me
where did you get the idea he's that talking like this
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33794602]He isn't even talking like this
what are you on about
really tell me
where did you get the idea he's that talking like this[/QUOTE]
Are you unable to read and comprehend? Are you unable to interpret patterns? Are you a socially awkward autist?
[QUOTE=semite;33794612]Are you unable to read and comprehend? Are you unable to interpret patterns? Are you a socially awkward autist?[/QUOTE]
Are you, like, a wicked bad poster?
[_] yes
[x] yes
[QUOTE=semite;33794612]Are you unable to read and comprehend? Are you unable to interpret patterns? Are you a socially awkward autist?[/QUOTE]
So far
I've only
Seen you
Talk like
This so
No need
To get
Mad and
Call names
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794676]Are you, like, a wicked bad poster?
[_] yes
[x] yes[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33794682]So far
I've only
Seen you
Talk like
This so
No need
To get
Mad and
Call names[/QUOTE]
The only "mad" people I see are you two. I'm giving truthful replies, so it's up to you to handle them maturely.
[QUOTE=semite;33794706]The only "mad" people I see are you two. I'm giving truthful replies, so it's up to you to handle them maturely.[/QUOTE]
you haven't truthfully replied to my post where I'm all "hey, people don't 'deserve' to have terrible things happen to them"
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794729]you haven't truthfully replied to my post where I'm all "hey, people don't 'deserve' to have terrible things happen to them"[/QUOTE]
Is it bad that I suggest that people take [B]at least some responsibility[/B] for their actions? You're making it very unclear.
[QUOTE=semite;33794742]Is it bad that I suggest that people take [B]at least some responsibility[/B] for their actions? You're making it very unclear.[/QUOTE]
it's bad that you literally used the exact words "deserve whatever happens to them"
don't try to make it sound like you said something other than the thing that you said
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794759]it's bad that you literally used the exact words "deserve whatever happens to them"[/QUOTE]
It's bad when you deserve what you put on yourself? Sounds like common sense to me. If you expected different results then that would label you as mentally insane.
Seriously, drop the moral tone. Nobody with a working brain will fall for it.
[QUOTE=semite;33794771]It's bad when you deserve what you put on yourself?[/QUOTE]
no, I'm pretty sure that if someone, say, gets robbed, it's the robber that's putting them on it; not the person getting robbed for failing to meet whatever standard of "taking responsibility" that some random interneter has deigned necessary
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794786]no, I'm pretty sure that if someone, say, gets robbed, it's the robber that's putting them on it; not the person getting robbed for failing to meet whatever standard of "taking responsibility" that some random interneter has deigned necessary[/QUOTE]
So you're saying nobody is capable of defending themselves and their property against robbers?
[QUOTE=semite;33794796]So you're saying nobody is capable of defending themselves and their property against robbers?[/QUOTE]
im saying if somebody is unable or unwilling to defend themselves against a robber that doesn't mean that they deserve to be robbed
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794812]im saying if somebody is unable or unwilling to defend themselves against a robber that doesn't mean that they deserve to be robbed[/QUOTE]
Uncapable? Understandable. Unwilling? Speaks for itself.
So if you're unwilling to put your life on the line for your purse, you don't deserve that purse?
[QUOTE=semite;33794826]Uncapable? Understandable. Unwilling? Speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to risk my life to protect 20 bucks, an easily canceled credit card, and a DQ Blizzard card (even if it has 10 stamps on it). If they want my wallet they can fuckin have it.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
like if it's a 90 yo dude yeah I'll just push him over or something but if someone actually poses a threat to me, I immediately stop giving a shit about my wallet because I'm don't have some weird masculinity complex that forces me to put my life on the line to protect easily replaced property.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794851]I'm not going to risk my life to protect 20 bucks, an easily canceled credit card, and a DQ Blizzard card (even if it has 10 stamps on it). If they want my wallet they can fuckin have it.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
like if it's a 90 yo dude yeah I'll just push him over or something but if someone actually poses a threat to me, I immediately stop giving a shit about my wallet because I'm don't have some weird masculinity complex that forces me to put my life on the line to protect easily replaced property.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because your attitude promotes tolerance of bad deeds.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;33794848]So if you're unwilling to put your life on the line for your purse, you don't deserve that purse?[/QUOTE]
lol'd
[QUOTE=semite;33794878]It's funny because your attitude promotes tolerance of bad deeds.
[/QUOTE]
no it doesn't. Saying the victim "deserves it" justifies the bad deed.
"Intolerance of bad deeds" does not equal "being a vigilante out of the worst internet neckbeard's wankoff fantasy"
Hey, let's extend the scenario. If someone can "deserve" to be mugged for being unwilling to defend themself against the mugging, then someone can also "deserve" to be raped, too, right?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794899]no it doesn't. Saying the victim "deserves it" justifies the bad deed.
"Intolerance of bad deeds" does not equal "being a vigilante out of the worst internet neckbeard's wankoff fantasy"
Hey, let's extend the scenario. If someone can "deserve" to be mugged for being unwilling to defend themself against the mugging, then someone can also "deserve" to be raped, too, right?[/QUOTE]
You're running in circles, asking the same questions I gave my answers to. Read up if you missed it already.
[QUOTE=semite;33794906]You're running in circles, asking the same questions I gave my answers to. Read up if you missed it already.[/QUOTE]
well just restate it one last time then,
can someone "deserve" to be raped? yes or no and I'll step off
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33794930]well just restate it one last time then,
can someone "deserve" to be raped? yes or no and I'll step off[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=semite;33786063]Wait until Captain Obvious comes to the recue.[/QUOTE]
So I'm gonna assume your answer is yes, then? Correct me if I'm wrong.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
welp, guess that settles that. you're a really bad person and should be ashamed of the morally repugnant viewpoint you hold, hth.
[QUOTE=semite;33794878]It's funny because your attitude promotes tolerance of bad deeds.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
lol'd[/QUOTE]
are you for real
[QUOTE=devotchkade;33793518]No, I explicitly mentioning owning (and knowing how to operate) a gun, and he confirmed it when he quoted it and reiterated that not knowing how to do so was 'failing to show personal responsibility' or some such thing.
[editline]19th December 2011[/editline]
And by the way he talks, I think it's fairly obvious that he thinks taking 'personal responsibility' [i]has[/i] to mean having a gun.
Even in countries (like mine) where gun crime is not high at all due to gun control. Gun control wasn't a big priority here until the Port Author massacre in 1996, wherein a man killed 35 people and wounded 21 more. The laws were tightened up considerably after that, and gun crime has consequently gone down a [i]lot[/i].
Nowadays, if someone assaults someone in Australia with a gun, it's a big deal. A few years ago, a guy shot three people in Melbourne - one fatally - it's all the media could talk about for weeks, in addition to a week-long manhunt. We've had like two school shootings in my state, and they were both at universities with a small death toll. We're proof that gun control works.[/QUOTE]
[B]Nope.[/B]
Check the statistics before you start saying that. Gun crime (specifically, armed robbery) dropped briefly after the handgun buy back, and has since climbed back up. Firearm related homicides have been dropping at the same rate since [B]1986[/B] (back when australia was the wild west or something in the minds of gun control advocates I guess ), with a brief spike around 2001-2003 which suggests that neither of the major gun control movements did [B]anything[/B].
I find it strange that you are talking about an incident that happened years ago, because if you looked at the news in recent months, strings of armed robberies on casinos have happened, and armed crime in sydney has happened literally forever.
Australia is hardly proof that gun control works. We're proof that generally low crime rate means generally low amounts of crime happens. We've got a relatively good quality of living, and when other parts of the world are really feeling the effects of the economy crash, we're still very well off in comparison.
Several countries have stricter gun control laws, yet have far higher armed violent crime rates. Is this proof that gun control doesn't work?
How about everybody stops focusing on the "gun" part so anally and starts focusing on the "crime" part more closely.
How has it climbed back up? Would you mind citing something to that effect?
Use of firearms in homicides have gone down
Trend in homicide incidents, firearm-related homicide and handgun homicide, 1992-93 to 2005-06
[img]http://www.aic.gov.au/upload/aic/publications/tandi2/tandi361.png[/img]
In NSW, firearm use in robbery peaked in 2001, and has been steadily declining until 2006 (as far as the data I found shows).
[editline]20th December 2011[/editline]
The biggest effect gun control tends to have is massive reduction of suicide, which is not replaced by others means (unlike in violent crime, where it may be replaced with knives as seen in Britain).
I don't think gun control would work in the states, but here in the UK it does work, as an island nation it is harder to smuggle illegal guns in, our constitution doesn't make it illegal and we don't care for guns as the states do.
Guns are quite easily available here, If you need them for a hobby or a Job but the only profession allowed hand guns are vets.
I agree with gun control being idiotic. If someone wants to murder someone they will do it no matter what, a firearm only makes it easier in a way. If a gun gets in The hands of a crazy motherfucker, bad things will happen, but this applies to everything. It all depends on the character/personality.
[QUOTE=Michaeldf;33795761]I agree with gun control being idiotic. If someone wants to murder someone they will do it no matter what, a firearm only makes it easier in a way. If a gun gets in The hands of a crazy motherfucker, bad things will happen, but this applies to everything. It all depends on the character/personality.[/QUOTE]
If someone wants to murder someone they will do it no matter what. If someone doesn't want to murder someone however, gun control means that it is less likely that an accidental or not premeditated homicide might occur. Even forcing people to take a gun safety class or something before they can get their permit will help greatly, and is gun control.
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