[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33870475]Not true. It depends on the state. In a lot of states, breaking an entrance is considered reason enough to kill the intruder[/QUOTE]
what states? that is completely retarded to say that is grounds for killing someone.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33879812]what states? that is completely retarded to say that is grounds for killing someone.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the same states that have castle laws.
I always hated the rules about no guns near schools. Let's say you're driving down the interstate with a concealed weapon in your car and you happen to pass by a school that's less than 1000 feet away. You are now a felon.
[QUOTE=K3inMitl3id;33879941]I always hated the rules about no guns near schools. Let's say you're driving down the interstate with a concealed weapon in your car and you happen to pass by a school that's less than 1000 feet away. You are now a felon.[/QUOTE]
what schools are within 1000 feet from the interstate?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33879812]what states? that is completely retarded to say that is grounds for killing someone.[/QUOTE]
Some of the states with castle laws, I think Alabama and Arizona are some of them
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;33881278]Some of the states with castle laws, I think Alabama and Arizona are some of them[/QUOTE]
Includes Indiana. Also the law allows for off property protection.
On another note: Merry Christmas Y'all.
I started to reply but I got to boggy down in the ridiculousness of every single point in the OP.
Why do you feel you need a firearm to feel equal/secure/like a citizen? I simply cannot see how you'd feel more secure in an environment where everyone has a weapon on them, as opposed to one where no one is.
I like the British police method of not carrying firearms, it makes them less... threatening.
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;33864383]It takes about 4 seconds to open my drawer next yo my bed and have a loaded Beretta in my hands. Your logic is pathetic. Go ahead..give me another argument to shoot down. I've got all day.[/QUOTE]
I'd smash your car and shoot you when you came out.
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Matriax;33896585]
I like the British police method of not carrying firearms, it makes them less... threatening.[/QUOTE]
9/10 british criminals agree
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33875715]What the hell does that even mean?[/QUOTE]
It means no matter what, there are still going to be guns whether you like it or not. I'm not too big on guns, but it's better than beating a burglar with your TV remote.
[QUOTE=ThatIrishSOB;33706572]The original goddamn post[/QUOTE]
Political bias?
[QUOTE=ThatIrishSOB;33706572]2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.[/QUOTE]
So you are just going to shoot a guy no matter the crime?
The OP is indeed a little bit rant-ey and badly worded. That said, he makes a good point... Firearms should be controlled, yes. But the issue with most firearm control action is this: criminals, by definition, break the law. It's easy to make life harder for some veteran's kid with souvenirs or a hunter; it is also pointless to do so. I'm alright with strict gun control laws AS LONG AS the focus is on tracking them down and taking them out of the hands of criminals, not throwing obstacles at law-abiding people and wasting valuable resources doing so.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;33901954][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg/800px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.png[/IMG]
yeah gun control is retarded
[editline]26th December 2011[/editline]
if you're gonna say that people will just use blunt objects etc instead of guns:
why do you purchase games on steam instead of torrenting them? It's the ease of use, using a gun isn't hard, it's point and click, using a knife requires you to get close and risk your own life[/QUOTE]
I doubt more gun control will lower that rate, considering that most crimes involving a handgun are cases where the gun was illegally obtained in the first place.
[QUOTE=Contag;33898207]9/10 british criminals agree[/QUOTE]
Well by that masterful bit of logic I take it you'd support the police fixing 50 cals to their cars and carrying grenades around?
Here's the issue, people cannot be trusted. You start arming everyone in the country and watch them take the law into their own hands. Death toll would sky rocket overnight.
[QUOTE=Matriax;33902244]Well by that masterful bit of logic I take it you'd support the police fixing 50 cals to their cars and carrying grenades around?
Here's the issue, people cannot be trusted. You start arming everyone in the country and watch them take the law into their own hands. Death toll would sky rocket overnight.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because when I see I can own a firearm idk man i just... I just - FREAK THE FUCK OUT -
Here's something to ponder: A bunch of countries have mandatory military service for men of age, as well as requiring them to keep a rifle in their home as a part of a national homeguard program.
According to your logic, they should just be committing genocide on eachother 24/7 because fuck bro, guns make people go NUTS.
Except
They don't.
These countries tend to have very low armed crime and very low violent crime in general, because most of these countries have good standards of living. Your avatar is fitting.
Well, if you're given military training in the use of weapons you tend to have some idea of how to use them properly and appropriately.
I'm just thinking back to a video I saw of some fat idiots in America carrying pistols around in holsters on their daily business because "it's my rights" and claiming it made things safer. It's like giving machetes to children. Then again, that was a particularly extreme example I suppose.
I don't know, I see your point. Given how much damage guns can cause though, I'd rather they just stuck with an organisation who actually needs them as opposed to giving them to anyone.
[QUOTE=Matriax;33902244]Well by that masterful bit of logic I take it you'd support the police fixing 50 cals to their cars and carrying grenades around?
Here's the issue, people cannot be trusted. You start arming everyone in the country and watch them take the law into their own hands. Death toll would sky rocket overnight.[/QUOTE]
saying police should carry guns is not the same as saying they should be a walking army. They need guns because they need a way to stop the criminals. If the police has a nightstick, you can run. If the police has a gun and points it at you, you are going to stay still.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;33905182]but the fact that it's government approved changes peoples conscience about it.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid you're going to have to do some serious backing up for a claim like that. Since when has that been the case? Liquor and pornography in the past, marijuana and online piracy today... Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it isn't generally accepted by peoples' consciences.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33881063]what schools are within 1000 feet from the interstate?[/QUOTE]
Type "38.438548,-82.151105" into Google Maps. This is just one of many.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33879812]what states? that is completely retarded to say that is grounds for killing someone.[/QUOTE]
Arkansas
Delaware
Illinois
Indiana
Montana
North Carolina
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
[QUOTE=wizard`;33931022]Arkansas
Delaware
Illinois
Indiana
Montana
North Carolina
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin[/QUOTE]
Add Colorado to that list. Same for cars, in fact.
In my view, anyone should be allowed to own a gun, the gun itself is no more dangerous than any other blunt object (so why not make sticks and pipes illegal?) But ammunition is what needs to be controlled as it can be bought in the USA by anyone over the age of 21 (not sure of the specifics, just quickly looked up gun control on wikipedia)
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Normal pistols should be sold without many paperwork. This is my point.
We can buy here only non-lethal guns (with rubber bullet rounds) after doing tons of paperwork and shit. These guns are really non-lethal, the worst thing they can do is leaving a bruise but there were many accidents(sometimes deadly) due to improper use.
There is an anecdote about non-lethal guns "Cut down the foresight":
Wild West. Saloon. Young cowboy bursts in and immediately starts shooting. All bottles and glasses to pieces, all in the ruins... Finally, with the last best shot young cowboy extinguishes the candle flame. After this old cowboy gets up, comes to him and says:
- Cut down the foresight, son.
- Why, grandpa?
- Sonny, sometime I was as nimble and accurate as you. But once I ran out of ammunition. Three guys came to me, took away my Colt, shoved it in my ass and screwed it in for three times. Cut down the foresight, son.
In Portugal you can't use any type of weapon to defend your self, either if it's spray, tazer or a pointy stick. It's all ilegal...
[QUOTE=GVG-Vit;33996724]Normal pistols should be sold without many paperwork. This is my point.
We can buy here only non-lethal guns (with rubber bullet rounds) after doing tons of paperwork and shit. These guns are really non-lethal, the worst thing they can do is leaving a bruise but there were many accidents(sometimes deadly) due to improper use.
There is an anecdote about non-lethal guns "Cut down the foresight":
Wild West. Saloon. Young cowboy bursts in and immediately starts shooting. All bottles and glasses to pieces, all in the ruins... Finally, with the last best shot young cowboy extinguishes the candle flame. After this old cowboy gets up, comes to him and says:
- Cut down the foresight, son.
- Why, grandpa?
- Sonny, sometime I was as nimble and accurate as you. But once I ran out of ammunition. Three guys came to me, took away my Colt, shoved it in my ass and screwed it in for three times. Cut down the foresight, son.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what to say about this. It's out of context, has little relevance, and doesn't make a good case for more free access to firearms.
I'm a supporter of the right to bear arms, but this post was just nonsense.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34001605]Not sure what to say about this. It's out of context, has little relevance, and doesn't make a good case for more free access to firearms.
I'm a supporter of the right to bear arms, but this post was just nonsense.[/QUOTE]
It's about "Who needs non-lethal weapons?" which are useless, why not just allow handguns.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;34001485]In Portugal you can't use any type of weapon to defend your self, either if it's spray, tazer or a pointy stick. It's all ilegal...[/QUOTE]
So I would assume that there is no gun crime in Portugal, right?
[QUOTE=Ridge;34005160]So I would assume that there is no gun crime in Portugal, right?[/QUOTE]
Making guns illegal wouldn't get rid of violent crime, and certainly wouldn't get rid of gun crime unless all guns used in gun crime previously were legally obtained and there is no underground market. A situation which to my knowledge has never existed.
It's too late to make guns illegal, it's too wide spread and too many people will get pissed off, thank god I live in a country that doesn't force you to own a gun.
[QUOTE=Ruzza;34005758]It's too late to make guns illegal, it's too wide spread and too many people will get pissed off, thank god I live in a country that doesn't force you to own a gun.[/QUOTE]
No country forces you to own a gun. Unless you are referring to the necessity of one due to criminal elements in your region. In which case, I refer you to this documentary:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf-HCCZYOg[/url]
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