Gun Control: Why it is Idiotic - General

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33708959]I found them ultimately well... boring and overrated, and I've done a lot of shooting. Like how emotionally stunted men get too excited about football.[/QUOTE] same, i don't get it I grew up on a farm, and was surrounded by guns for legitimate purposes. I've shot many types of rifles and I'd never seen a semi automatic or automatic weapon until I left the country and I never considered shooting one until a dude let me squeeze off a few rounds when I was in vietnam

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33708838]I'm curious, have you ever fired a gun?[/QUOTE] Three times.

[QUOTE=Chrille;33709050]Three times.[/QUOTE] Three different times?

Yes. One time was with a friends dad. Anyway, what would the fact that I had fired a gun have to do with anything I'm curious?

[QUOTE=superdinoman;33709015]Well maybe you guys should legalize guns and vigilantism so you can solve your problems. Not the USA's fault what happens in your ghettos.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, vigilantism.

[QUOTE=joe588;33709020]exactly, i've had fun for a few hours with an air rifle and a few tins, gets boring quickly. but why in gods name you need to own a semi automatic pistol i have no idea.[/QUOTE] Collection, target shooting, competition shooting, in some countries hunting, and for self/home defence.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33709085]Ah yes, vigilantism.[/QUOTE] If he wants to take a radical position, I'll take one too.

vigilalantism is an awful solution to any problem

[QUOTE=Chrille;33709080]Yes. One time was with a friends dad. Anyway, what would the fact that I had fired a gun have to do with anything I'm curious?[/QUOTE] It seems to be that the vast majority of the people here claiming guns should be restricted have almost no experience with them. Obviously that doesn't hold true in your case, but I'd be willing to bet it does for a lot of others. Anyway, I was just interested to see if you had any experience with one.

[QUOTE=superdinoman;33709015]Well maybe you guys should legalize guns and vigilantism so you can solve your problems. Not the USA's fault what happens in your ghettos.[/QUOTE] That would work [I]BRILLIANTLY[/I]. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33709109]It seems to be that the vast majority of the people here claiming guns should be restricted have almost no experience with them. Obviously that doesn't hold true in your case, but I'd be willing to bet it does for a lot of others. Anyway, I was just interested to see if you had any experience with one.[/QUOTE] It's called vested interest.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33709109]It seems to be that the vast majority of the people here claiming guns should be restricted have almost no experience with them. Obviously that doesn't hold true in your case, but I'd be willing to bet it does for a lot of others.[/QUOTE] Just because someone hasn't fired a weapon doesn't mean they don't understand how they function.

[QUOTE=joe588;33708887]sorry but people only like guns because of the power they feel.[/QUOTE] I like them because they are mechanically interesting, they have lots of historical value, and are fun to use/tinker with. But whatever you say internet psychologist.

[QUOTE=superdinoman;33709103]If he wants to take a radical position, I'll take one too.[/QUOTE] his solution is not radical.

[QUOTE=Chrille;33709080]Yes. One time was with a friends dad. Anyway, what would the fact that I had fired a gun have to do with anything I'm curious?[/QUOTE] Because most people who make the arguments against guns have never even seen, let alone fired a gun, they go purely off sensationalism and fear, without taking the time to learn about what, or who, they oppose. This leads to others seeing them as ignorant and intolerant because they made no effort to learn or interact with what they oppose so adamantly before making an opinion about it that often demonizes not just the tool, but the person in possession of it, and often tend to make false and slanderous remarks, such as Toronto city counsellor Adam Vaughan saying that all gun owners, ranges and stores, in a sweeping, wrong, slanderous, and offending generalization, are a threat to public safety.

[QUOTE=bye;33709047]same, i don't get it I grew up on a farm, and was surrounded by guns for legitimate purposes. I've shot many types of rifles and I'd never seen a semi automatic or automatic weapon until I left the country and I never considered shooting one until a dude let me squeeze off a few rounds when I was in vietnam[/QUOTE] How dare someone find something entertaining that you don't!

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;33709133]I like them because they are mechanically interesting, they have lots of historical value, and are fun to use/tinker with. But whatever you say internet psychologist.[/QUOTE] ok get a deactivated one just to make it clear, i'm in no way supporting tougher legislation in the us, the right to bear arms is part of your constitution and should never be changed, just saying you can keep your guns over there and shoot yourself up thanks

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33709151]Toronto city counsellor Adam Vaughan saying that all gun owners, ranges and stores, in a sweeping, wrong, slanderous, and offending generalization, are a threat to public safety.[/QUOTE] Well he is technically right. Firearm proliferation only increases the number of deaths per capita.

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;33709127]Just because someone hasn't fired a weapon doesn't mean they don't understand how they function.[/QUOTE] The media portrayal of firearms differs greatly from reality. I think if you're going to passionately argue something, then you should at least know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33709150]his solution is not radical.[/QUOTE] What do you mean it's not radical, he's generalizing and insulting millions of people across the globe, it's definitely a radical position.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33709177]Well he is technically right. Firearm proliferation only increases the number of deaths per capita.[/QUOTE] Gun ownership in the United States has skyrocketed over the past few years, yet violent crime has actually statistically dropped.

[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33709150]his solution is not radical.[/QUOTE] Yeah it is. Relating gun ownership to wanting power, having psychological issues, or blaming it for crimes. That is a pretty radical view. Considering I own guns and fit into none of the categories he is touting as truth.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;33708247]I would not be comfortable living next door to a man who owns an arsenal of guns. I think a lack of gun control would be detrimental to my liberty.[/QUOTE] What difference does it make if your neighbor owns one gun or an arsenal? Will he shoot you with all of them at the same time? It's more likely that a criminal will own one, pre-owned handgun hidden somewhere rather than having a gallery of well maintained pieces.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;33709177]Well he is technically right. Firearm proliferation only increases the number of deaths per capita.[/QUOTE] Unproven, no statistic proves gun ownership specifically increases deaths, nor that gun control effectively prevents them. Legal gun owners in Canada, also, are not the ones robbing convenience stores and committing gang violence in Toronto. He's blatantly wrong, as there are no statistics to back him up, especially specific to Toronto, and the thousands of firearms owners in Toronto do not, have not, and will not commit a crime with their gun, they just don't want to have to drive for 2 hours to find the nearest store or range.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33709231]Unproven, no statistic proves gun ownership specifically increases deaths, nor that gun control effectively prevents them. Legal gun owners in Canada, also, are not the ones robbing convenience stores and committing gang violence in Toronto. He's blatantly wrong, as there are no statistics to back him up, especially specific to Toronto, and the thousands of firearms owners in Toronto do not, have not, and will not commit a crime with their gun, they just don't want to have to drive for 2 hours to find the nearest store or range.[/QUOTE] You do understand what I mean by firearm proliferation? Criminal firearms only exist because of this vast new civilian-weapons complex that exists today.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33709179]The media portrayal of firearms differs greatly from reality. I think if you're going to passionately argue something, then you should at least know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] The media at least here is completely neutral as far as guns go. Mostly due to the fact that they rarely if ever pop up. They do sometimes mention that a legally owned turned up in the hands of someone that was mentally ill, but that's about it.

[QUOTE=joe588;33709172]ok get a deactivated one just to make it clear, i'm in no way supporting tougher legislation in the us, the right to bear arms is part of your constitution and should never be changed, just saying you can keep your guns over there and shoot yourself up thanks[/QUOTE] Exactly, just don't bring your idiocy into my country.

lol what guns are youeven allowed in the netherlands

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33709179]The media portrayal of firearms differs greatly from reality. I think if you're going to passionately argue something, then you should at least know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] media portrayal of firearms do differ greatly from reality They are often portrayed as 'cool' or 'problem solvers'.

[QUOTE=joe588;33709303]lol what guns are youeven allowed in the netherlands[/QUOTE] No I meant Americans should leave their idiocy out of my country. Sorry for the confusion.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33709254]Exactly, just don't bring your idiocy into my country.[/QUOTE] Once again stop relating gun ownership to idiocy. There is nothing idiotic about allowing someone to own a gun just as there is nothing idiotic about allowing someone to own knives. You can kill a person with guns sure, but they have plenty of other functions. Just because their core design has been built around killing people doesn't mean shit for what they can be used for. Most things created by humanity can find origins in the design of weapons and killing people.