[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33710349]Armed households only makes things harder for thieves. And I think it's much more important to crack down on the reasons someone has to commit a violent crime in the first place than it is to limit personal liberties for the entire country. I'm no criminal, but I have a strong desire to own a weapon. As far as I'm concerned, the problem lies on the individual, not the freedom.[/QUOTE]
Why do you have a strong desire to own a weapon?
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710336]If that were true it would happen in country's where it isn't so easy to legally get a gun (while there most certainly is a black market for them), and yet it isn't so.[/QUOTE]
Brazil, Jamaica, Mexico. All have strict gun laws, all have high gun crime and a huge black market.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710393]Why do you have a strong desire to own a weapon?[/QUOTE]
Personal sovereignty, target shooting, hunting.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33710421]Brazil, Jamaica, Mexico. All have strict gun laws, all have high gun crime and a huge black market.[/QUOTE]
They all have no way to enforce their gun laws.
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[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33710434][b]Personal sovereignty[/b], target shooting, hunting.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what do you mean by that?
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710393]Why do you have a strong desire to own a weapon?[/QUOTE]
Well me I would like to go hunting with one. But I have no desire to shoot a human being with one.
[QUOTE=Boba I'm sorry, what do you mean by that[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Link [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_sovereignty[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710441]They all have no way to enforce their gun laws.
[editline]14th December 2011[/editline]
I'm sorry, what do you mean by that?[/QUOTE]
Nonsense. They all have police forces, militaries, and governments, they therefore all have ways of enforcing their gun laws.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710458]Well me I would like to go hunting with one. But I have no desire to shoot a human being with one.[/QUOTE]
Where would you keep such a gun, and how would you move it to the hunting location?
hey look guys we're gonna have violent crime with guns banned, gun control, or complete gun freedom. Boba_Fett having a gun or not won't change the illegal selling by the arms industry and the poverty and squalor people live in that forces or allows them to commit crimes.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33710478]Nonsense. They all have police forces, militaries, and governments, they therefore all have ways of enforcing their gun laws.[/QUOTE]
Corrupt police forces, corrupt military, corrupt governments and no funds to enforce the laws.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710441]I'm sorry, what do you mean by that?[/QUOTE]
Self Defense. I don't nearly hold enough trust in the police to expect them to save me from criminal in the event of a break-in.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710481]Where would you keep such a gun, and how would you move it to the hunting location?[/QUOTE] Likely in a metal box that requires a combination to open put away out of common sight, And in a gun bag under the car seat, As regardless of it being legal its probably not a good idea to display it in public.
[QUOTE=thisispain;33710489]hey look guys we're gonna have violent crime with guns banned, gun control, or complete gun freedom. Boba_Fett having a gun or not won't change the illegal selling by the arms industry and the poverty and squalor people live in that forces or allows them to commit crimes.[/QUOTE]
The government only amplifies the problem when they sell guns directly to cartels like they did in Operation Fast and Furious.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710481]Where would you keep such a gun, and how would you move it to the hunting location?[/QUOTE]
[quote][Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms] 5. (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,
(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or
(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.
(3) Paragraph (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.
TRANSPORTATION OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS
10. (1) An individual may transport a non-restricted firearm only if
(a) except in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, it is unloaded; and
(b) in the case of a muzzle-loading firearm that is being transported between hunting sites, its firing cap or flint is removed.
(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if
(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and
(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.
(3) If, in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting, an individual is transporting a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, and the vehicle or the part of it that contains the non-restricted firearm cannot be securely locked, the individual shall ensure that the non-restricted firearm
(a) is not visible; and
(b) is rendered inoperable by a secure locking device, unless the individual reasonably requires the non-restricted firearm for the control of predators.[/quote]
That is how I would store and transport the gun, in full accordance to the Canadian Firearms Act.
Meh, I'm not really for gun control, but I'm not against it. You sure as shit should be able to defend your home, but I don't think you need an assault rifle with a 30 magazine to do it
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710481]Where would you keep such a gun, and how would you move it to the hunting location?[/QUOTE]
1. In my closet
2. Carry it with my hands
[QUOTE=Aman VII;33710588]1. In my closet
2. Carry it with my hands[/QUOTE]
Displaying it in public isn't neccesarily a good idea.
And one of my friends said that he and a few other kids were playing around with guns and one pointed it at him unloaded and on safety, but he still was about to beat the shit out of him.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710628]Displaying it in public isn't neccesarily a good idea.
And one of my friends said that he and a few other kids were [b]playing around with guns[/b] and one pointed it at him unloaded and on safety, but he still was about to beat the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
You should smack all of them, guns are NOT toys and they should NOT be treated as such, and you should smack all of their parents, as kids should not be getting their hands on guns. What that kid did, pointing that gun at him, is considered attempted murder by Canadian law, as you NEVER point a gun, loaded or not, at something you don't intend to shoot.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710628]Displaying it in public isn't neccesarily a good idea.
And one of my friends said that he and a few other kids were playing around with guns and one pointed it at him unloaded and on safety, but he still was about to beat the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
stupid people. Everyone should know that you NEVER point a gun at someone, loaded or not. It's gun safety 101.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710628]Displaying it in public isn't neccesarily a good idea.
And one of my friends said that he and a few other kids were playing around with guns and one pointed it at him unloaded and on safety, but he still was about to beat the shit out of him.[/QUOTE]
Something you learn, or should learn, in a country or home where there are guns present is gun safety.
Treat every gun like its loaded, never point it at a person, animal, or object and keep it aimed at the floor. Really its just common sense.
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;33710671]stupid people. Everyone should know that you NEVER point a gun at someone, loaded or not. It's gun safety 101.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but its a matter of him not being trained. Doesn't make someone stupid. It makes them UNEDUCATED.
But I said that in they need to train gun safety better. And they were 8-9 when they did that.
And from what I believe the person just moved into america.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710702]Yes, but its a matter of him not being trained. Doesn't make someone stupid. It makes them UNEDUCATED.
But I said that in they need to train gun safety better. And they were 8-9 when they did that.[/QUOTE]
Ignorance is no excuse, he shouldn't be touching guns if he knows nothing about them.
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE, 8-9? Whoever's gun that was should have it taken away from them, that is blatantly irresponsible gun ownership and parenting. Absolutely disgusting.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;33710723]Ignorance is no excuse, he shouldn't be touching guns if he knows nothing about them.[/QUOTE]How would they know that
Also I apologize for my description, They weren't neccesarily playing with them, but he was displaying them. Which in itself is a dumb thing. Should just keep them locked away unless you are planning on using them.
Parents were away I could bet. Kids can just get in all kinds of shit. I remember discovering christmas presents 2 weeks before christmas rolled around. If I could do that no doubt I could find a few hidden firearms.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710736]How would they know that?[/QUOTE]
Both they and their parents should know better than to leave guns lying around for kids to find, and the kinds should know better than to play with them.
[QUOTE=Dynex223;33710580]Meh, I'm not really for gun control, but I'm not against it. You sure as shit should be able to defend your home, but I don't think you need an assault rifle with a 30 magazine to do it[/QUOTE]
Statistically, assault rifles are almost never used in crimes.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33710776]Statistically, assault rifles are almost never used in crimes.[/QUOTE]
And usually when they do, From all the incidents I've seen with a assault weapon the criminal kills himself afterwards.
Somebody like that you won't be able to stop from getting a gun.
[QUOTE=zarthalan;33710834]And usually when they do, From all the incidents I've seen with a assault weapon the criminal kills himself afterwards.
Somebody like that you won't be able to stop from getting a gun.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
I here where i live in good old redneck valley(missouri), i know of probably 2 people besides police with concealed carry permits, and even then, it's just so they can keep a pistol in their vehicles. There's hardly any murders with guns at all here within 100 miles, besides Kansas City. as a matter of fact, there's been one in the last 10 years in our neighboring town. There's been lots of accidents though. Mainly drunken fucks that stumble and fall on their shotguns.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;33706720]I think it would be much better were gun production and distribution entirely in the hands of state, and the minimum amount required to be produced for the armed forces.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA
OH WOW
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710227]Why do you think thieves carry guns? The same reason as you would carry one, for his own protection.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you talking about? They carry a gun to get power over you so they can take your money, hell, that's why they have weapons in general.
Someone isn't going to walk up to you and mug you by politely asking for your money.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33710123]Thieves don't shoot people just for fun, they shoot people when the people they are robbing fight back. If a store owner does not have a gun he is less likely to react violently and thus less likely to get himself killed.
And if that were true, wouldn't that mean that every single country that has very strict gun control laws would be flooded by gun crimes? You yourself argued that knife crime went up in England since the banning of guns, that directly contradicts what you're claiming here.[/QUOTE]
Ever see a gang rob a store. They don't give a shit about the cashier's life.
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