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Also, toootally unrelated but DarkZero, where did you get your avatar?
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;34562644]Upgrade VSR to shoot 700-800 FPS and you can fuck someones day. It will peice skin easily.[/QUOTE] yes shoot them and while you are racking the bolt they can just walk up to you and stab you to death, not to mention 700-800 FPS on a airsoft gun is probably illegal there a+
i did this yesterday [IMG]http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll266/Hresvelgr/yeas.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=jomt1234;34564014]Also, toootally unrelated but DarkZero, where did you get your avatar?[/QUOTE] Someone posted the gif in lmao pics and niko made me an avatar of it no clue what it is from though
I think I'm gonna get him a blank firing gun. The noise should scare anyone off - without the risk of him killing anyone with it (unless they get really really close).
Hey guys, a new field is opening near me and I'm excited to go. The problem is, they have some absolutely braindead rules, although they're open to discussion. The big rule issue is their stance on room-clearing. Basically no rifle-length gun of any kind can be used for room clearing, due to inherent safety issues (or so they say). On the other hand, pistols and machine pistols (but not submachine guns or assault rifles) can be used without any FPS limits, and on full auto if desired. That's right, my 310fps CA Sportline P90 is not allowed on semi, but unloading on someone with a KWA M11 with forty rounds at 350fps is A-OK. They cite two reasons for this being fair: That gas guns experience cooldown and so won't hit as hard as a 300FPS AEG, and that pistols lose FPS more rapidly over distance despite having high FPS at point blank. Both of these are obviously patently false. So yeah, that's the rule. Any ideas on how to convince these guys to change the rules?
[QUOTE=DarkZero135;34564495]Someone posted the gif in lmao pics and niko made me an avatar of it no clue what it is from though[/QUOTE] Aha, because KillerTele has the same, so I got a bit confused before when I read the Svensk Allmän Diskussion and the airsoft forums, thought you posted there or he here :v: Also, meanwhile garry is here, should he sticky the jat goodwin thread?
[QUOTE=catbarf;34564707]Hey guys, a new field is opening near me and I'm excited to go. The problem is, they have some absolutely braindead rules, although they're open to discussion. The big rule issue is their stance on room-clearing. Basically no rifle-length gun of any kind can be used for room clearing, due to inherent safety issues (or so they say). On the other hand, pistols and machine pistols (but not submachine guns or assault rifles) can be used without any FPS limits, and on full auto if desired. That's right, my 310fps CA Sportline P90 is not allowed on semi, but unloading on someone with a KWA M11 with forty rounds at 350fps is A-OK. They cite two reasons for this being fair: That gas guns experience cooldown and so won't hit as hard as a 300FPS AEG, and that pistols lose FPS more rapidly over distance despite having high FPS at point blank. Both of these are obviously patently false. So yeah, that's the rule. Any ideas on how to convince these guys to change the rules?[/QUOTE] so you can clear a room with a 5 billion fps kwc mak but not a 280fps tm m16
[QUOTE=the_killer24;34564858]so you can clear a room with a 5 billion fps kwc mak but not a 280fps tm m16[/QUOTE] YEP. And the Mak can be a full auto 500FPS CO2 version, and the M16 can be semi-only. Doesn't matter, the first is allowed and the second is not. Makes perfect sense, right?
tell them that in rooms you do not distance therefore pistols (especially high power) cannot 'lose fps' and will be as strong as an equally powered rifle
[QUOTE=catbarf;34564707]Hey guys, a new field is opening near me and I'm excited to go. The problem is, they have some absolutely braindead rules, although they're open to discussion. The big rule issue is their stance on room-clearing. Basically no rifle-length gun of any kind can be used for room clearing, due to inherent safety issues (or so they say). On the other hand, pistols and machine pistols (but not submachine guns or assault rifles) can be used without any FPS limits, and on full auto if desired. That's right, my 310fps CA Sportline P90 is not allowed on semi, but unloading on someone with a KWA M11 with forty rounds at 350fps is A-OK. They cite two reasons for this being fair: That gas guns experience cooldown and so won't hit as hard as a 300FPS AEG, and that pistols lose FPS more rapidly over distance despite having high FPS at point blank. Both of these are obviously patently false. So yeah, that's the rule. Any ideas on how to convince these guys to change the rules?[/QUOTE] Tell them to come down to my field. We'll kick the shit out of them with gas guns, and make them change it. Alternatively, buy yourself a KSC CO2 mini uzi and ask to play against them for one round.
Usually those pistol for room clearing rules are for bullshit "realism" One of my field co owners had a break down and called some little kids "fucking retards"
[QUOTE=catbarf;34564707] They cite two reasons for this being fair: That gas guns experience cooldown and so won't hit as hard as a 300FPS AEG, and that pistols lose FPS more rapidly over distance despite having high FPS at point blank. Both of these are obviously patently false. [/QUOTE] Oh yeah, let me directly address these two: 1. Cooldown involves the magazine, it inhibits the last couple of shots in the magazine for the most part. Yes gas guns lose power the more they are fired, especially if its being fired on full auto, but all but the last 5-10 will be within 20 fps of the initial salvo. Also, very few players will use a full magazine anyways because of cooldown, or they regas about halfway through the mag. Someone using one of KWA's lovely machine pistols will probably be shooting between 330-350 fps at the end of their mags after being fired on full auto the whole time. If someone was insane, they could take the CO2 mini uzi, put in an extended tightbore and suppressor, and be well over any safety limit, they'd probably be approaching sniper rifle fps limits. 2. Complete bullshit. This rule is making a mockery of inertia. The only force that causes an object to slow down over time is an external force, and friction. No external force besides those happening at impact are affecting a bb, and friction/air resistance is dependent on surface area. A 6mm bb propelled from 2 different sources will decelerate at the same speed, pending differences in hop up. There is no truth to this rule.
Fuck this, I'm having a horrible day. My CA M16A1 snapped in half like a twig. Yes, the whole metal receiver broke off near the stock area and now it's just dangling there. Then my backup gun, JG M16A2 took a shit as well. No fucking idea what's wrong with it. I didn't even get to play airsoft today, as soon as I got there everything broke, but I was tired as hell and hungover anyways so I basically just sat around with my friends and hung out and dug some foxholes. I'm so sick of these gun problems, I'm buying a G&P M16A1 and selling every other gun and then maybe get an A&K M60 with the money or something else, prolly another Vietnam era weapon. Oh, and one of my $90 Motorola WR350Rs broke. And I left my eyepro at home so I had to drive 30 mins back to get it but I didn't even end up playing airsoft.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34564707]Hey guys, a new field is opening near me and I'm excited to go. The problem is, they have some absolutely braindead rules, although they're open to discussion. The big rule issue is their stance on room-clearing. Basically no rifle-length gun of any kind can be used for room clearing, due to inherent safety issues (or so they say). On the other hand, pistols and machine pistols (but not submachine guns or assault rifles) can be used without any FPS limits, and on full auto if desired. That's right, my 310fps CA Sportline P90 is not allowed on semi, but unloading on someone with a KWA M11 with forty rounds at 350fps is A-OK. They cite two reasons for this being fair: That gas guns experience cooldown and so won't hit as hard as a 300FPS AEG, and that pistols lose FPS more rapidly over distance despite having high FPS at point blank. Both of these are obviously patently false. So yeah, that's the rule. Any ideas on how to convince these guys to change the rules?[/QUOTE] It's about the same here at CQB City, but pistols, shotguns, smgs need to chrono under 350fps and fire on semi only. Honestly I have no problem with those kinds of rules. I do however hate people using MP5K's with hicaps in there.
[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;34566556]Fuck this, I'm having a horrible day. My CA M16A1 snapped in half like a twig. Yes, the whole metal receiver broke off near the stock area and now it's just dangling there. Then my backup gun, JG M16A2 took a shit as well. No fucking idea what's wrong with it. I didn't even get to play airsoft today, as soon as I got there everything broke, but I was tired as hell and hungover anyways so I basically just sat around with my friends and hung out and dug some foxholes. I'm so sick of these gun problems, I'm buying a G&P M16A1 and selling every other gun and then maybe get an A&K M60 with the money or something else, prolly another Vietnam era weapon.[/QUOTE] Get a WA 1911a1 or a wood M870. M14's are cool but won't really offer you any distinct advantages over your M16, as well as fulfilling the same rule. You could also go crazy and get a sweet Vietnam era sniper rifle or a GBBR CAR-15.
[QUOTE=notrabies;34566591]Get a WA 1911a1 or a wood M870. M14's are cool but won't really offer you any distinct advantages over your M16, as well as fulfilling the same rule. You could also go crazy and get a sweet Vietnam era sniper rifle or a GBBR CAR-15.[/QUOTE] I wanted a WE M14 but you have to buy a lot of mags and I'm not sure if I can afford it. I'm an unemployed teenager. There's skirmishable wood M870s? Where at? And I don't really like sniping, and XM177s don't appeal to me that much. I definitely plan on getting a 1911a1 though.
[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;34566658]I wanted a WE M14 but you have to buy a lot of mags and I'm not sure if I can afford it. I'm an unemployed teenager. There's skirmishable wood M870s? Where at? And I don't really like sniping, and XM177s don't appeal to me that much. I definitely plan on getting a 1911a1 though.[/QUOTE] Yeah there are, but you'll have to do some searching. For example, I found this one in my closet: [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/2012020521274917.jpg/][IMG]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3075/2012020521274917.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[QUOTE=notrabies;34566772]Yeah there are, but you'll have to do some searching. For example, I found this one in my closet: [URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/2012020521274917.jpg/][IMG]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3075/2012020521274917.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE] is that a maruzen?
Yeah, I've seen them a few times on the Vietnam Airsoft forum, so I assume they're period accurate, if not pretty damn close.
[QUOTE=notrabies;34566890]Yeah, I've seen them a few times on the Vietnam Airsoft forum, so I assume they're period accurate, if not pretty damn close.[/QUOTE] it doesn't seem practical for skirmishing though, don't you lose shells?
Not really. You'll have to learn a few techniques to alter your playstyle though. You could make or buy a shellcatcher, which is a solid idea for playing outside, but that's really easy to do for the record. They key thing to playing without a shell catcher is to hold your ground when you fire. Rush in with your rifle or pistol to a key point that the enemy will move to or that the enemy is unaware of. Then you switch to the shotgun and create a lethal chokepoint. Also, they're very gas efficient, especially in warm weather, so you can really put the hurt on people. Shooting between 5 and 10 bbs at a time makes for a lethal way of taking out people who are moving at a distance, as well as eliminating doubt it people's mind when you hit them. If you get the redwolf upgraded one, you should be able to send a good sized spread past 100 feet with 8 pellets if its like 70F or warmer. For shellcatchers, what you want is something large and thin, like a loose mesh bag. Someone makes a shell catcher out of mesh that has a zipper at the bottom for you to immediately release all your shells into a dump pouch. I want one of those. So long as you can secure it to the frame, you won't have many issues, the M870s are great at ejecting their shells. At most, you may have to make sure there's some space above the top of the ejection port so that the mesh doesn't get in the way, like a cardboard awning/roof or the like. If you get a catcher, make sure it holds the mesh away from the ejection port, otherwise you risk having shells pop back into the gun or jam up the bolt.
Gosh darnit Notrabies, you've partly converted me. All I need is $450 and I will not hesitate to buy the Maruzen M1100 with polymer furniture and power upgrade from Redwolf.
Save your cash, don't buy the power upgrade. M1100's shoot like 350fps stock in 70's on green gas, power is not their issue. What you want to do is make sure you use o-rings on your shells from day one. (Don't even test fire without them!) Also, by the time you get in, my Belgium friend may be done with his M1014 project, meaning he'll have upgraded internals available. Ideally, you'll replace 3 parts for maximum performance: 1. The extractor/shell door/bolt: the stock one works just fine, but it wears down way too quickly. My friend and I working on a full redesign for it, if we just made it out of a tough material, it would break down the shells, so we're putting our heads together on this one. We've got a solid potential plan that we're working on. 2. The shell lifter: This part snaps after a bunch of shells are thrown through your gun, its mostly an eventual part. However, its responsible for positioning the shells in the chamber as well, so as it wears it'll cause misfiring and junk. I'm running a prototype piece right now, and its performing better than when it was new. Price for the part is $25-$50 and it should be available soon. 3. Gas system: Basically, the stock setup is crap. The hoses are kind of junky and leaky, and they can blow off the nozzles on higher pressures. The gas containers can develop leaks (which can be fixed pretty easily) on green gas. Ideally you'd switch to an external setup, but replacing the hoses will solve a lot of your problems. This is really simple to do as all you're doing is popping/cutting a hose and putting a new one on in its place. This can happen sooner or later, my M1100 is still running on its original hose, but my M870 grip shorty is in need of a replacement. They take 6mm hose, such as the kind used on classic guns and palmer's air rigs. Oh yeah, have you considered getting an M1100 Revision or Defender II? Their small size and weight is massively beneficial, and I find the pistol grip gas tanks to provide better power. You can then mount a folding stock on the grip in you want. Those models are only like $265+shipping+shells too, so they're massively awesome. Alternatively, if you wanted to go in to my M1100 Defender I prototype project with me, that could be a lot of fun.
Oh, I was under the assumption that the stock model could only take HFC-134a and that's why I mentioned the power upgrade.
[QUOTE=cardfan212;34567704]Oh, I was under the assumption that the stock model could only take HFC-134a and that's why I mentioned the power upgrade.[/QUOTE] Naw, and on the power upgrade you need green gas/propane to have the power to cycle the thing. 134a minimizes wear a great deal, but it limits your power drastically. Like down to 3 shots a shell instead of 5-10. [editline]5th February 2012[/editline] Also, I've got your back on parts support anyways.
And yeah, I like the M1100 Revision, so I might go with that. [editline]5th February 2012[/editline] Sweet, gonna go the M1100 Revision route with 10 spare shells to start off with, making the price before shipping $250.
[QUOTE=cardfan212;34567726]And yeah, I like the M1100 Revision, so I might go with that. [editline]5th February 2012[/editline] Sweet, gonna go the M1100 Revision route with 10 spare shells to start off with, making the price before shipping $250.[/QUOTE] Oh and in case you like the looks of this one better: [url]http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_details.jsp?pid=13913[/url]
Ooh, yeah wasn't a big fan of that rail on the Redwolf one.
The revision could use some more revising imo. Defender II on the other hand looks just right.
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