Marijuana has the same habitual nature as masturbation
If you're using it in a way other than smoking it, there's no reason to not use it when you have it
Of course, if you do have any mental disorders, you should consult a medical professional before use
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32384791]Not neccesarily a bad thing[/QUOTE]
Yes I love having my mind fucked with in a permanent way, no problem
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32387778]Alright. This is going to earn me "major" popularity points, but both are fine, but weed has killed, and is addictive.
Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts brother, who played as Sal Maroni in "The Dark Knight", entered rehab a while back, and admitted he had a mental dependency on weed. He said that he doesn't go a day without smoking it, and if he does, he feels sick and goes insane.
Also, this story was just on the news today, an update, I remember about it ages ago:
[url=http://www.wtae.com/news/29230145/detail.html]Teen Runs Down Mother Under Influence Of Marijuana[/url]
Many more people DO die of alcohol abuse each year, and DUI related deaths are higher for alcohol than any other drug, but I absolutely HATE how weed supporters say that nobody has ever died on it.
I see it's reason for medical purposes only. And even then, they put it in tablet form. Those who want to legalize medical marijuana are doing it for the wrong reasons. They want it legalized so they can use it, they don't actually care about the people it can help.[/QUOTE]
Hehe look at this guy he thinks marijuana can kill people
[editline]19th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hana-San;32387873]This is the reason that I think that marijuana is worse than alcohol.[/QUOTE]
Because it causes problems in very rare instances?
[QUOTE=Clementine;32388204]Yes I love having my mind fucked with in a permanent way, no problem
[/QUOTE]
understandable viewpoint from anyone whose never taken any psychedelics. i dropped acid(very similar to psilocybin) recently, and while i wouldn't say my mind is "fucked permanently", there is definitely a subtle change.
I'm against all drugs wether it's alcohol, weed, tobacco and so on, but I still believe it's pretty weird that weed is illegal while alcohol isn't. Alcohol can as people have stated loads of times in this thread actually be healthy, and so can weed. Alcohol cause way more harm than pot though.
Not that drugs should be allowed at all when there are humans that are going to consume them. Humans with bad judgement who cause harm to people around them. Why should alcohol or weed be allowed when they affect you in an uncontrolled way? It's not like we actually need them for anything else than rare circumstances. So if people need marijuana for medical reasons then that should be okay, but why should the general population consume it when they actually don't need it?
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32387778]
Eric Roberts, Julia Roberts brother, who played as Sal Maroni in "The Dark Knight", entered rehab a while back, and admitted he had a mental dependency on weed. He said that he doesn't go a day without smoking it, and if he does, he feels sick and goes insane.[/quote]
As far as I know there is certainly nothing in cannabis that will make you addicted to it. If someone goes insane because the craving for weed it is a mental issue, not because you're addicted to it in the same way as someone would be addicted to nicotine.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;32387778]
I see it's reason for medical purposes only. And even then, they put it in tablet form. Those who want to legalize medical marijuana are doing it for the wrong reasons. They want it legalized so they can use it, they don't actually care about the people it can help.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing though, why do people think that 'medical' makes it okay? If you're against legalization of marijuana, why do you think 'medical' marijuana is any better? It's the exact same thing. You smoke it, because it possesses some healing abilities, if you will. If someone who is sick smoked something that is supposeably bad, wouldn't that give the opposite effect than desired, to get well? I am not saying marijuana will magically make your sickness go away, I am just saying there's no difference between medical and standard marijuana.
Actually your all wrong the perfect mix is 10 joints and a crate of beers and then you feel euphoric
You guys know what else can hurt you by getting too much of it? The sun.
But we do need it to live, unlike alcohol and marijuana. So...
My opinion, as a long term drug user, is that cannabis can be more psychologically harmful over time, while alcohol is more dangerous (ie. unhealthy) while under the influence.
This isn't really a discussion of whether cannabis and alcohol are unhealthy, it's a fact that they are. The real discussion is whether those negative effects outweigh the positive sides of both substances. And as I think the answer to that question is subjective, this isn't really a productive debate.
Anyways, my recommendation is moderation in every case.
lol this isn't even a debate
[QUOTE=Clementine;32388204]
Because it causes problems in very rare instances?[/QUOTE]
Like my uncle?
He had some and ended up threatening my grandparents. Wanting to kill them and then proceeded to call my mother an "evil witch" and by that I don't mean she wasn't a nice person, he meant an evil witch.
Alcohol is probably worse, but smoking weed isn't exactly sunshine and flowers either. It probably doesn't have the toxins in cigarettes, but it's still inhaling smoke.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32384536]Not sure how reliable these statistics are.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DEC8q.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
How the fuck did they calculate this? I'm pretty damn sure that heroin is more harmful than alcohol to the user. Whether Alcohol is harmful or not depends largely on the person, and in the end getting too much of anything is pretty much bad. Alcohol is bad simply because it's both easily accessible and culturally acceptable to get awfully drunk. If the same applied to any of those drugs, I'm pretty sure we would see the same picture as we do with alcohol, and in many cases, worse.
Studies show different things, but it seems to be generally accepted that marijuana makes the risk of a mental illness higher:
[url]http://politiken.dk/videnskab/ECE349515/hash-oeger-risiko-for-psykose/[/url]
[url]http://www.dagensmedicin.dk/nyheder/2008/11/21/hash-ikke-arsag-til-skizof/index.xml[/url]
[url]http://www.dagensmedicin.dk/nyheder/forskning/2005/11/30/unge-med-hashpsykoser-udvik/[/url]
I'm against legalizing marijuana, but I can see some benefits of doing it, so it's not all bad.
The best is to use none at all.
I personally don't think alcohol makes people incompetent, if people think it does maybe they themselves are incompetent in the first place. :>
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1kMw_jnA85w/Tdtpf36a_VI/AAAAAAAAAGk/OGPTXZNxmB0/s640/246618_216636248360833_204156172942174_787783_2825763_n.jpg[/img]
(The reason for the image is to list the effects, not for the "which one is illegal" text)
Now in all seriousness, alcohol and tobacco have worse immediate effects. However, marijuana could be considered a gateway drug. Not just chemically, but socially. Once one gets involved with drugs, it's possible that they may be pressured into trying other drugs. So for example, you buy some weed at a party. Next time you go back to a different party and the same guys tries to sell you something worse, cocaine perhaps. Or maybe once you have hung around a bunch of people smoking weed, they will offer you something else. So, in itself it may not be a gateway drug but the social effects of taking it might lead to other drug use.
Still, if you're talking about which one is unhealthier then it is obvious alcohol, at least in the short term.
[QUOTE=Trumple;32392290][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1kMw_jnA85w/Tdtpf36a_VI/AAAAAAAAAGk/OGPTXZNxmB0/s640/246618_216636248360833_204156172942174_787783_2825763_n.jpg[/img]
(The reason for the image is to list the effects, not for the "which one is illegal" text)
Now in all seriousness, alcohol and tobacco have worse immediate effects. However, marijuana could be considered a gateway drug. Not just chemically, but socially. Once one gets involved with drugs, it's possible that they may be pressured into trying other drugs. So for example, you buy some weed at a party. Next time you go back to a different party and the same guys tries to sell you something worse, cocaine perhaps. Or maybe once you have hung around a bunch of people smoking weed, they will offer you something else. So, in itself it may not be a gateway drug but the social effects of taking it might lead to other drug use.
Still, if you're talking about which one is unhealthier then it is obvious alcohol, at least in the short term.[/QUOTE]
I like how it just says "Schizophrenia" like it's fucking nothing. I agree wholeheartedly on that tobacco is bad as well, and should be made more expensive. It would be too hard to make it illegal, but you can make it less "attractive".
[QUOTE=Trumple;32392290][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1kMw_jnA85w/Tdtpf36a_VI/AAAAAAAAAGk/OGPTXZNxmB0/s640/246618_216636248360833_204156172942174_787783_2825763_n.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Most of the lung and breathing related illnesses are achieved with Weed. Also heart conditions...
[QUOTE=Trumple;32392290][img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1kMw_jnA85w/Tdtpf36a_VI/AAAAAAAAAGk/OGPTXZNxmB0/s640/246618_216636248360833_204156172942174_787783_2825763_n.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE]
This just seems bias half of the things in the alcohol section can be applied to the marijuana section but it hasnt been such as cravings and mouth cancer, Drink driving could be changed to driving under the influence which can be done with most drugs such as marijuana and alcohol.
Id say this piece of evidence is not reliable, its clearly bias.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32387521]More people die from alcohol yes, but heroin is much more dangerous and easier to OD on.[/QUOTE]
READ IT PROPERLY! The bar showing the harm to users of heroin is higher than the bar saying harm to users of alcohol fucks sake it shows exactly what you are saying
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32392123]How the fuck did they calculate this? I'm pretty damn sure that heroin is more harmful than alcohol to the user. Whether Alcohol is harmful or not depends largely on the person, and in the end getting too much of anything is pretty much bad. Alcohol is bad simply because it's both easily accessible and culturally acceptable to get awfully drunk. If the same applied to any of those drugs, I'm pretty sure we would see the same picture as we do with alcohol, and in many cases, worse.
Studies show different things, but it seems to be generally accepted that marijuana makes the risk of a mental illness higher:
[url]http://politiken.dk/videnskab/ECE349515/hash-oeger-risiko-for-psykose/[/url]
[url]http://www.dagensmedicin.dk/nyheder/2008/11/21/hash-ikke-arsag-til-skizof/index.xml[/url]
[url]http://www.dagensmedicin.dk/nyheder/forskning/2005/11/30/unge-med-hashpsykoser-udvik/[/url]
I'm against legalizing marijuana, but I can see some benefits of doing it, so it's not all bad.[/QUOTE]
It says heroin is more harmful to the user than alcohol jesus
Marijuana has some bad side effects, like increasing risk of heart attack while you're on it, but it's not THAT bad of a drug.
Alcohol actually is good for you in moderation, but it's easier to drink too much and kill or hospitalize yourself than marijuana.
In other words, both are fine in moderation, but like everything good in this world, don't overdo it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32392555]Most of the lung and breathing related illnesses are achieved with Weed. Also heart conditions...[/QUOTE]
requesting proof of people with respiratory diseases resulting from solely weed, and not in combination with tobacco or anything else.
[QUOTE=slippp22;32385568]weed isn't addictive, its habit forming[/QUOTE]
Weed isn't addictive but it is to a degree harmful, smoking ANYTHING is damaging to your lungs
honestly, it's so goddamn biased and a lot of the "statistics/facts" on drug use are by government brainwashed fools, or people who think they know what they're talking about
Someone who doesn't do drugs will have a completely different look on them, and a lot of these people seem to be extremely ignorant and won't even listen to stuff you say, they're so dedicated to believing "HEROIN IS THE WORST DRUG, MARIJUANA IS ADDICTIVE AND HORRIBLE"
i want to make a thread on "real" info on drugs, to clear some shit up and not spew word-twisted bullshit that the government promotes
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32384536]Not sure how reliable these statistics are.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DEC8q.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[B]your reply proves so much :D[/B]
Alcohol is MUCH MUCH MUCH more harmful than Marijuana.
This discussion is pointless. Alcohol is more unhealthy for you than marijuana. That's a fact and there is nothing to discuss.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32392555]Most of the lung and breathing related illnesses are achieved with Weed.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the method of consumption.
It would be detrimental to my health if I didn't smoke weed. I don't stop for a breather (no pun intended) until the weekend. I'm a huge Melvin at school and I'm obsessed with getting good grades. I can't just turn off my mind when I need to sleep or come down from the chaos of the entire week, so I use marijuana to calm down. It definitely beats the hell out of taking Xanax everyday and becoming a zombie. Weed gives me no hangovers or lasting effects. I honestly do not understand how such an innocuous drug can be illegal, other than maybe pharmaceutical companies would go out of business if people starting turning to marijuana for things like anxiety, depression, pain management, and even lowering blood pressure.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Biotic;32402379]Depends on the method of consumption.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I vaporize and still run several times a week.
In fact, Marijuana is used to treat asthma, but the recommended method of consumption is through edibles or vaporizing.
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=JvIyVk2IL_sC&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]
[url]http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/tashkin/tashkin1.htm[/url]
[url]http://marijuanamedicine.com/all-ailments.html[/url]
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
If you spend 2 minutes on google, you can also see people commenting on how they smoke marijuana and it relieves their asthma, and more research documents.
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=flyschy;32385607]Stop being so blind to Marijuana please.
[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/nb4qwy.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[url]http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000145[/url]
[editline]20th September 2011[/editline]
Smoking marijuana in conjunction with tobacco can also increase the risk of COPD and Lung Cancer ([url]http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829[/url]), however by eating edibles or using a vaporizer you can prevent this ([url]http://www.maps.org/research/mmj/[/url]).
This is like communism at this point: There's no way this is going to change anytime soon, it's already been in a bad light for far too long. As McCarthy was to Communism, MAD and whatever those other "Don't do drugs, kids!" campaigns are to Marijuana.
I have never used it, but looking at the data, it does seem that it would be less harmful than alcohol.
By the way, straight numbers of deaths and harm by Marijuana don't help, the numbers would significantly increase once it would become legal and used as much as alcohol. That doesn't mean it would surpass it, however.
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