[QUOTE=Icedshot;32431188]..source, otherwise you're just pulling shit out of your arse
Can people please stop making horribly awful personal judgements based on no evidence or experience whatsoever, about alcohol vs weed? It makes you look a bit stupid[/QUOTE]
I guess you were just too much in a hurry to talk shit before reading the part where I said "in my opinion" so you're asking for a source? My brain.
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;32446986]Use a fucking vaporizer, it uses no smoke, and you'll still get high (higher than using a joint/bong.)
Get your fucking facts right.
[editline]September 23rd,2011[/editline]
Also, the only reason I see weed being illegal is because it has the potential to replace all cold meds, and alcohol, and tobacco. Which is a big tax machine for the U.S Government.
Also, according to the documentary "American Drug War", the largest donors (money-wise) to "A Drug-Free America" are tobacco and alcohol companies, coincidence anybody?[/QUOTE]
A large majority still smokes rather than vaporizes or eats it, his point about smoke being bad is valid. He never said all marijuana is bad at all his facts are straight.
And no, it has no potential to replace all cold meds, alcohol, and tobacco at all. Like it or not, not everyone likes it and it does affect some people negatively. I know far more people who have tried it and didn't like it or didn't care for it but still drink alcohol or don't do any drugs than I do who regularly smoke weed. Also, I doubt most people are really going to get high to relieve a cold. I enjoy marijuana, it's a great drug, but if I had a cold I would still go for the cold medicine.
Quit sounding like a stereotypical paranoid conspiracy theorist stoner.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32384536]Not sure how reliable these statistics are.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DEC8q.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Weed and harm to others? How in the hell
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;32446986]Use a fucking vaporizer, it uses no smoke, and you'll still get high (higher than using a joint/bong.)
Get your fucking facts right.
[editline]September 23rd,2011[/editline]
Also, the only reason I see weed being illegal is because it has the potential to replace all cold meds, and alcohol, and tobacco. Which is a big tax machine for the U.S Government.
Also, according to the documentary "American Drug War", the largest donors (money-wise) to "A Drug-Free America" are tobacco and alcohol companies, coincidence anybody?[/QUOTE]
Have you even smoked weed? Do you use a fucking vaporizer?
alcohol is more harmful
weed can have very helpful side effects if used properly
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;32446986][b]Get your fucking facts right.[/b]
[editline]September 23rd,2011[/editline]
Also, the only reason I see weed being illegal is because it has the potential to replace all [b]cold meds[/b], and alcohol, and tobacco. Which is a big tax machine for the U.S Government.[/QUOTE]
Mate, I get colds like any other person and I vaporize almost daily.
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;32446986]
Also, according to the documentary "American Drug War", the largest donors (money-wise) to "A Drug-Free America" are tobacco and alcohol companies, coincidence anybody?[/QUOTE]
not since 1997
[editline]25th September 2011[/editline]
trying to get facts from a mockumentary you saw on youtube is where you went wrong
[QUOTE=mzathemind;32444710]Have you ever heard of weed destroying someones life really? dont give me that gateway bullshit.[/QUOTE]If you have seen the movie called "The Union" it actually talks about prohibition and the whole "gateway drug" theory. Really the only thing that causes marijuana to be a gateway drug in the first place is the fact that you have to obtain it from an illegal source, who might feel like offering you stronger drugs. So, if the prohibition was lifted, you wouldn't be exposed to those other narcotics, theoretically. But yes, alcohol is much more dangerous than cannabis (just to stay on topic)
[SUB]I don't see how this is much of a debate, obviously due to comparing research we can see that alcohal is more of a detriment to ones health, but that doesn't mean it is deadly or anything, it can be used responsibly just like any other drug if used are the right amounts and at the right times.
I'll link some research in a bit.[/SUB]
[QUOTE=flyguy88;32531095][SUB]I don't see how this is much of a debate, obviously due to comparing research we can see that alcohal is more of a detriment to ones health, but that doesn't mean it is deadly or anything, it can be used responsibly just like any other drug if used are the right amounts and at the right times.
I'll link some research in a bit.[/SUB][/QUOTE]
why are you typing so small
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32535074]why are you typing so small[/QUOTE]
[h2]why are YOU typing so small[/h2]
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32535074]why are you typing so small[/QUOTE]
Flyguy is a gnome and they use smaller keyboards.
He's undercompensating for his massive penis.
I believe that both are dangerous. Due to the fact that alcohol is more addictive and is just out there for people to drink, I would say alcohol is much more dangerous. However, if you don't drink too much and only do it on occasions, it could be much less dangerous than weed. On another note, weed isn't happy-go-lucky, either. Weed causes cancer easier than tobbaco and the psychological dangers include getting addicted over long periods of time and losing a job and/or personal relationships. Marijuana may also cause the user to make their only aspect of life based on weed. As for driving, weed is almost as dangerous as alcohol seeing as how weed impairs driving 4-6 hours after the high is gone.
Weed isn't dangerous, that's a belief that I will always have. Anyone who is capable of getting psychologically addicted to weed shouldn't do it, and it's a personal problem that doesn't have to do with the substance. Meanwhile alcohol is dangerous stuff but it's not dangerous if used responsibly. Alcohol fucks you up. I was at a party recently where a girl had to get her stomach pumped, whereas I believe almost anyone can smoke weed responsibly. Honestly I laugh at the thought of someone smoking weed and being totally out of control, that just doesn't happen like on alcohol. The final thing that I'd like to say is that no one should care how dangerous either is, but just use them responsibly, because we deserve the right to.
Little kids in jamaica smoke weed from like 4 years old, and jamaicans are AWESOME.
[QUOTE=deaded38;32545268]I believe that both are dangerous. Due to the fact that alcohol is more addictive and is just out there for people to drink, I would say alcohol is much more dangerous. However, if you don't drink too much and only do it on occasions, it could be much less dangerous than weed. On another note, weed isn't happy-go-lucky, either. Weed causes cancer easier than tobbaco and the psychological dangers include getting addicted over long periods of time and losing a job and/or personal relationships. Marijuana may also cause the user to make their only aspect of life based on weed. As for driving, weed is almost as dangerous as alcohol seeing as how weed impairs driving 4-6 hours after the high is gone.[/QUOTE]You sound like my D.A.R.E. teacher
[QUOTE=deaded38;32545268]I believe that both are dangerous. Due to the fact that alcohol is more addictive and is just out there for people to drink, I would say alcohol is much more dangerous. However, if you don't drink too much and only do it on occasions, it could be much less dangerous than weed. On another note, weed isn't happy-go-lucky, either. Weed causes cancer easier than tobbaco and the psychological dangers include getting addicted over long periods of time and losing a job and/or personal relationships. Marijuana may also cause the user to make their only aspect of life based on weed. As for driving, weed is almost as dangerous as alcohol seeing as how weed impairs driving 4-6 hours after the high is gone.[/QUOTE]
oh my god it's like you're preaching right out a middle-school health book.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32384536]Not sure how reliable these statistics are.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DEC8q.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
haha, what?
That is complete bullshit. First of all; "Harm rating?" What the fuck does that mean?
Second of all, Ecstasy is pretty low on the list, but doing ecstasy and then drinking too much water can kill you. Benzodiazepenes can stop your breathing. Methadone and ketamine? Yeah. I don't think so.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;32548849]haha, what?
That is complete bullshit. First of all; "Harm rating?" What the fuck does that mean?
Second of all, Ecstasy is pretty low on the list, but doing ecstasy and then drinking too much water can kill you. Benzodiazepenes can stop your breathing. Methadone and ketamine? Yeah. I don't think so.[/QUOTE]Not doing ecstasy and drinking too much water can kill you.
Heres a graph people will probably argue less about
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg/380px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg.png[/img]
They're both pretty dangerous. I believe alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana, but marijuana can have some nasty side effects. Some people tend to lose control and inhibition when they smoke around here, much like when they'd get drunk. Also, inhaling any kind of smoke isn't exactly optimal for your health.
[QUOTE=deaded38;32545268]I believe that both are dangerous. Due to the fact that alcohol is more addictive and is just out there for people to drink, I would say alcohol is much more dangerous. However, if you don't drink too much and only do it on occasions, it could be much less dangerous than weed. On another note, weed isn't happy-go-lucky, either. Weed causes cancer easier than tobbaco and the psychological dangers include getting addicted over long periods of time and losing a job and/or personal relationships. Marijuana may also cause the user to make their only aspect of life based on weed. As for driving, weed is almost as dangerous as alcohol seeing as how weed impairs driving 4-6 hours after the high is gone.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Weed (When not smoked) is only harmful to people with underlying health conditions. When smoked, most of the harm is caused by the cigarette/whatever you smoke it with.
The people who become dependant on weed (There's not many of them in comparison to alcohol) end up in that state because they have an addictive personality. The same would happen to them if they drank regularly.
[QUOTE=deaded38;32545268]I believe that both are dangerous. Due to the fact that alcohol is more addictive and is just out there for people to drink, I would say alcohol is much more dangerous. However, if you don't drink too much and only do it on occasions, it could be much less dangerous than weed. On another note, weed isn't happy-go-lucky, either. Weed causes cancer easier than tobbaco and the psychological dangers include getting addicted over long periods of time and losing a job and/or personal relationships. Marijuana may also cause the user to make their only aspect of life based on weed. As for driving, weed is almost as dangerous as alcohol seeing as how weed impairs driving 4-6 hours after the high is gone.[/QUOTE]
You obviously know nothing, and are speaking out of assumptions you may have garnered from ignorant adults or perhaps your peers. Please, provide evidence showing that marijuana causes cancer, and that marijuana will ruin relationships, lives, and cause car accidents.
Here, I'll provide evidence that all seem to contradict your statements:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html]Study Finds No Cancer - Marijuana Connection[/url]
[url=http://cannacentral.com/news/driving-high-on-marijuana-not-an-impairment-study-says/]Study shows that marijuana causes little to no driving impairment[/url]
Just fyi, I've been dating the same girl for three years, and I'm a habitual smoker. It has not effected our relationship in the slightest, aside from the fact that she now associates the smell with mwah.
[editline]30th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32553992]Wrong. Weed (When not smoked) is only harmful to people with underlying health conditions. When smoked, most of the harm is caused by the cigarette/whatever you smoke it with.
The people who become dependant on weed (There's not many of them in comparison to alcohol) end up in that state because they have an addictive personality. The same would happen to them if they drank regularly.[/QUOTE]
This is partially true. I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to claim "addictive personality", moreover it's simply how strong a sense of self control one possesses. I agree that there has to be a balance; those who live a marijuana "lifestyle" I find to be somewhat moronic, for I feel that nothing that alters a state of perception should completely change your lifestyle. A balance must be found, and marijuana should be a recreational enjoyment, used in the correct circumstances and environment. Nothing calms me down like a bowl, but that doesn't mean I'll blaze anywhere or anytime I feel like it. I can recognize when it would be inappropriate, such as when I'm seeing my girl or family, or when I'm working. I digress that everyday meaningless tasks are infinitely more enjoyable when blazed, but I don't feel that being high 24/7 is a good idea.
Basically, all it boils down to is: don't be an idiot.
Alcohol is more dangerous i'd say. Cheaper, easier to get hold off, does more damage anyway and generally causes people to get too drunk and loose stuff/get raped/get in a fight which rarely happens when your stoned because your alot more in control. I still think weed can cause some pretty serious brain damage to people even without underlying health conditions, i don't have schizophrenia and nor has anyone previously in my family history although i suffered from psychosis from smoking a lot of green, but i suppose it really depends on what your smoking and how often you smoke it, much like alcohol but replace smoke with drink
[QUOTE=Aetna;32554346]You obviously know nothing, and are speaking out of assumptions you may have garnered from ignorant adults or perhaps your peers. Please, provide evidence showing that marijuana causes cancer, and that marijuana will ruin relationships, lives, and cause car accidents.
Here, I'll provide evidence that all seem to contradict your statements:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html]Study Finds No Cancer - Marijuana Connection[/url]
[url=http://cannacentral.com/news/driving-high-on-marijuana-not-an-impairment-study-says/]Study shows that marijuana causes little to no driving impairment[/url]
Just fyi, I've been dating the same girl for three years, and I'm a habitual smoker. It has not effected our relationship in the slightest, aside from the fact that she now associates the smell with mwah.
[editline]30th September 2011[/editline]
This is partially true. I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to claim "addictive personality", moreover it's simply how strong a sense of self control one possesses. I agree that there has to be a balance; those who live a marijuana "lifestyle" I find to be somewhat moronic, for I feel that nothing that alters a state of perception should completely change your lifestyle. A balance must be found, and marijuana should be a recreational enjoyment, used in the correct circumstances and environment. Nothing calms me down like a bowl, but that doesn't mean I'll blaze anywhere or anytime I feel like it. I can recognize when it would be inappropriate, such as when I'm seeing my girl or family, or when I'm working. I digress that everyday meaningless tasks are infinitely more enjoyable when blazed, but I don't feel that being high 24/7 is a good idea.
Basically, all it boils down to is: don't be an idiot.[/QUOTE]
I am not believing that study on driving at all
When I've been blitzed there is no possible way I could drive a car like I would if I was sober
[QUOTE=Contag;32557349]I am not believing that study on driving at all
When I've been blitzed there is no possible way I could drive a car like I would if I was sober[/QUOTE]
I have absolutely no issue driving blazed. It's a subconscious thing; if you know how to drive, your body can do it for you. When I'm driving home in the wee hours of the night there's little to avoid or worry about, and I pretty much autopilot. Not to mention Top Gear even did a special on driving intoxicated; they had 3 test varieties, sober, stoned, and drunk. The stoned drivers matched equal with sober drivers on all courses, and even succeeded in defeating the sober drivers in the pedestrian avoidance test.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32392464]I like how it just says "Schizophrenia" like it's fucking nothing.[/QUOTE]
Cannabis only brings out schizophrenia in those who have a high chance of getting it already.
[QUOTE=Aetna;32554346]You obviously know nothing, and are speaking out of assumptions you may have garnered from ignorant adults or perhaps your peers. Please, provide evidence showing that marijuana causes cancer, and that marijuana will ruin relationships, lives, and cause car accidents.
Here, I'll provide evidence that all seem to contradict your statements:
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html]Study Finds No Cancer - Marijuana Connection[/url]
[url=http://cannacentral.com/news/driving-high-on-marijuana-not-an-impairment-study-says/]Study shows that marijuana causes little to no driving impairment[/url]
Just fyi, I've been dating the same girl for three years, and I'm a habitual smoker. It has not effected our relationship in the slightest, aside from the fact that she now associates the smell with mwah.[/QUOTE]
If used abundantly, it apparently can. I used this source:
[url]http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm[/url]
Don't tell me I'm speaking out my ass.
[editline]30th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32553992]Wrong. Weed (When not smoked) is only harmful to people with underlying health conditions. When smoked, most of the harm is caused by the cigarette/whatever you smoke it with.
The people who become dependant on weed (There's not many of them in comparison to alcohol) end up in that state because they have an addictive personality. The same would happen to them if they drank regularly.[/QUOTE]
I realize there isn't as many people who get addicted to weed. I was just throwing it out there because it is apparently possible.
Anyone who is addicted to weed clearly has underlying problems and should seek assistance, rather than the knee-jerk response in politics to make it illegal.
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