DigitalDNA, developers of "Castle Miner Z" censoring their steam discussion forums - General

Can anyone give me a reason to buy/play this instead of Minecraft?

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;43802340]Can anyone give me a reason to buy/play this instead of Minecraft?[/QUOTE] it has guns

[QUOTE=Blockhead;43802854]it has guns[/QUOTE] Minecraft has guns too if you mod it, and it can work in multiplayer.

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;43802864]Minecraft has guns too if you mod it, and it can work in multiplayer.[/QUOTE] but the xbox version of minecraft doesnt have guns [IMG]http://gigglewarriors.com/gwar2/iceburn.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Blockhead;43803013]but the xbox version of minecraft doesnt have guns [IMG]http://gigglewarriors.com/gwar2/iceburn.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] Good, because minecraft on xbox is awful.

I am pretty sure the game is also $1 on xbox which is why people bought it.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;43803910]I am pretty sure the game is also $1 on xbox which is why people bought it.[/QUOTE] I bought it since at the time you had to get point packages, and because of that, I had 90 MS points, and this is 80 MS points. I know a lot of people who did the same.

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;43802864]Minecraft has guns too if you mod it, and it can work in multiplayer.[/QUOTE] Guncraft also has guns and is still better than this drek.

Talking to DigitalDNA on Steam right now, any questions you want me to ask? [editline]6th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE]Never tell your password to anyone. Thursday, February 06, 2014 2:34 AM - Jayden: Oh, you added me. Cool, Mind if I ask you a few things? 2:36 AM - DigitalDNA Games: sure 2:35 AM - Jayden: First off. What do you do for DigitalDNA? 2:37 AM - DigitalDNA Games: I am DigitalDNA 2:36 AM - Jayden: Oh, so you're one person? 2:38 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Yes 2:38 AM - Jayden: I see, what gave you the idea for Castle Miner Z 2:40 AM - DigitalDNA Games: It is sort of a long story. 2:38 AM - DigitalDNA Games is now Online. 2:40 AM - Jayden: Do you mind explaining? 2:42 AM - DigitalDNA Games: IT was a game I wanted to make for a very long time. 2:43 AM - DigitalDNA Games: I was trying to make a simalr game for a company I was working for. 2:43 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Minecraft came out around that time and the block world was a good solution to a lot of problems we had. 2:44 AM - DigitalDNA Games: So eventally got around to making the game. 2:45 AM - Jayden: Smart move. Didn't you make a ton of money off it? 2:47 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Yes, it is the best selling Indie game of all time on the Xbox 2:45 AM - Jayden: wow. Nice job. 2:48 AM - DigitalDNA Games: It has been the #1 seller since it launched in 2011 2:48 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Have you played it? 2:47 AM - Jayden: Yes, I played a little bit of it one time with a friend, interesting little game. 2:48 AM - Jayden: If you don't mind me asking, there has been rumors of you censoring people on the Steam Discussion forums criticizing your game, is this true? You do have the option to pass any questions. 2:50 AM - DigitalDNA Games: There was a lot of trolling going on the first day, there was a combination of our moderators and Valve's working there. 2:51 AM - Jayden: I can understand deleting trolls, trust me, I gotta do it all the time with my site and group. But I've seen people like this user. [url]http://steamcommunity.com/app/253430/discussions/0/540732596790768233/[/url] post and then get banned. [url]http://puu.sh/6LN4L.png[/url] Why is that? 2:55 AM - DigitalDNA Games: This post has nothing to do with the game, it is just critizing the moderators. 2:55 AM - DigitalDNA Games: The forum isn't about that. 2:55 AM - Jayden: Understandable. I've heard the PC port is basically dark souls. Only Xbox UI, bad keyboard controls. Is that true? I've played it on xbox but not pc yet. 2:58 AM - DigitalDNA Games: It is pretty much a direct port. We left all the Xbox buttons in the UI because you can plug a controller in and play it just like the Xbox 2:59 AM - DigitalDNA Games: It upset so many people that we are going to take them out now. 2:57 AM - Jayden: It makes sense to have PC UI, it is a PC game now. 2:59 AM - DigitalDNA Games: I don't know about bad keybaord controls wasd - space are basically the only keys. 2:58 AM - Jayden: Ah, I havent played on pc yet so i didnt know 3:00 AM - DigitalDNA Games: There are a lot of AAA games that have Xbox controller support the same way. 3:00 AM - DigitalDNA Games: But it is no problem we are taking them out. 2:58 AM - Jayden: Don't take it out, have an option for it. 2:58 AM - Jayden: if the xbox controller is in 2:59 AM - Jayden: use xbox ui 2:59 AM - Jayden: if not 2:59 AM - Jayden: use pc ui 2:59 AM - Jayden: simple fix 3:01 AM - DigitalDNA Games: We have limited resources to support and test these things. 3:01 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Untimately little issues liek this take away from content we could be adding to the game so we have to make decisions 3:00 AM - Jayden: Here's my opinion. Fix little things first, get people happy, then add new things, and get them happier. 3:02 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Yea thats what we are doing. 3:01 AM - Jayden: Good. 3:03 AM - DigitalDNA Games: It is a shame people are getting hung up on things like manually controlling AA etc. When we could be using the time to put cool stuff in 3:02 AM - Jayden: They do have a point. I have a shit computer, so I usually run everything on the lowest. So if i couldnt turn off AA manually, I'd be mad. 3:05 AM - DigitalDNA Games: There is a Graphics setting 3:05 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Low med high etc 3:07 AM - DigitalDNA Games: Here is a key BTW [/quote] After that they told me that valve is pretty restrictive on them, they cant change the price, apparently.

Watched one video and it just looks like all the bad minecraft clones such as pixel zombie or whatever the shit on the play store. Why would anyone buy this? It's beyond me. Glad I bought Hotline Miami with the money I had left from the sale over this horseshit.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnNLoMQnLaY[/media] So yeah, TB did his video, and yeah it's pretty shite. I think Jim Sterling also did a "squirty play" of it a few days earlier. Regardless, in terms of open-world exploration, helps to have a map.

Their fans on the steam forums are worse. I mean,[url="http://steamcommunity.com/app/253430/discussions/0/540732888829148608/"] Just look at the comments[/url]

They told me on the forums when I questioned why they didn't have separate AA, Render Distance, Shadow, Texture, ect options. They told me that it was for simplicity and not for the sake of the port that comes with just a simple slider that comes with Low, Medium and Ultra.

Oh dear. Oh very dear...

Steam's been getting a lot... shittier lately. I dunno, if it's Greenlit games or what, but even not actively searching out shit I come up with shit. For instance, while browsing the new releases list, I came upon [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/268890/]Masters of the World - Geopolitical Simulator 3[/url] which is... uh... it's a thing, I guess. The trailer says it's got "Twenty conceptual scenarii(sic)" so it has to be worth $50!

[QUOTE=Dacheet;43813882]Steam's been getting a lot... shittier lately. I dunno, if it's Greenlit games or what, but even not actively searching out shit I come up with shit. For instance, while browsing the new releases list, I came upon [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/268890/]Masters of the World - Geopolitical Simulator 3[/url] which is... uh... it's a thing, I guess. The trailer says it's got "Twenty conceptual scenarii(sic)" so it has to be worth $50![/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/6MqND.png[/IMG] lmfao

Steam is going downhill fucking fast. It's like having to go into a store and researching all the products you might want because they have no quality control on which products go on the shelf. Half the time you buy a box of lights and all the bulbs are broken inside.

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[QUOTE=draugur;43818820]Steam is going downhill fucking fast. It's like having to go into a store and researching all the products you might want because they have no quality control on which products go on the shelf. Half the time you buy a box of lights and all the bulbs are broken inside.[/QUOTE] The hilarious thing about this argument is that it is the community that is technically destroying the store. We are the ones who vote these games in, not Valve. They attempted to give people the power of choice and we whine and moan when bad games get on Steam. Say what you want but Valve didn't put this game on Steam, it was the community. Greenlight needs reform not because Valve isn't doing their job, its because we as a whole are so shitty at ours.

[QUOTE=Stuntman;43825243]The hilarious thing about this argument is that it is the community that is technically destroying the store. We are the ones who vote these games in, not Valve. They attempted to give people the power of choice and we whine and moan when bad games get on Steam. Say what you want but Valve didn't put this game on Steam, it was the community. Greenlight needs reform not because Valve isn't doing their job, its because we as a whole are so shitty at ours.[/QUOTE] Valve has the final say in what gets on Steam. Not that I don't agree; people have massively voted up tons of [i]awful[/i] games, sometimes as a joke. But Valve isn't 100% innocent.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;43825480]Valve has the final say in what gets on Steam. Not that I don't agree; people have massively voted up tons of [i]awful[/i] games, sometimes as a joke. But Valve isn't 100% innocent.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they do have the final say, but on what grounds do they cancel this? Unless the game is flat out not functioning, the community voted for this and wants it to be part of Steam. Even if Valve thinks the game is crap, they are bound by the Greenlight rules that the game will go on Steam.

I think one way to solve this issue is to have 2 votes. One to get greenlit, then another where the dev makes some small demo of the game, then it goes to vote again if it should be put on steam

Well, Valve needs at least a bit of quality control for Greenlight. Else their platform gets a lot of shovelware, which damages their credibility as a platform. Needless to say it would also allow lawsuits against Valve from more of these ripoffs.

[QUOTE=draugur;43818820]Steam is going downhill fucking fast. It's like having to go into a store and researching all the products you might want because they have no quality control on which products go on the shelf. Half the time you buy a box of lights and all the bulbs are broken inside.[/QUOTE] Browsing Steam now is like going to a store where everything is put in that huge box of discounted games nobody wants to buy.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43827277]Browsing Steam now is like going to a store where everything is put in that huge box of discounted games nobody wants to buy.[/QUOTE] See Xbox Live Indie store. [video=youtube;ubuQfss8MnY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubuQfss8MnY[/video]

[QUOTE=draugur;43818820]Steam is going downhill fucking fast. It's like having to go into a store and researching all the products you might want because they have no quality control on which products go on the shelf. Half the time you buy a box of lights and all the bulbs are broken inside.[/QUOTE] This is fucking ridiculous. Your comparison couldn't be more insane if it tried to be. The overwhelming majority of Steam's content is 'good.' I can almost guarantee that if this baby shitstorm didn't brew up you would never have even heard of Castle Miner Z. A more accurate comparison is I walk into Walmart. It is full of high grade, moderately priced fair. Then I go to the discount section. This section, full of strange knock off items from a country called "Zambonia" smells vaguely of fish. I reach into the discount bin, and pick up a Zambonian oPhone with the full conviction that for 2$ it is a suitable replacement for the iPhones thirty yards away. I think to myself "There is no way this could go wrong." No one is making you buy the boxes full of broken lightbulbs, or the dodgy oPhone. You can browse the rest of the hundreds of thousands of titles out there. I promise.

Funny thing is, most people don't know this but Terraria did similar things. The developers, while the game was still relatively unpopular, killed all negative opinions/views about the thing to make their games succeed. It's one of the reason I hate Terraria. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl5kfZsm3as[/url]

[QUOTE=Stuntman;43825243]The hilarious thing about this argument is that it is the community that is technically destroying the store. We are the ones who vote these games in, not Valve. They attempted to give people the power of choice and we whine and moan when bad games get on Steam. Say what you want but Valve didn't put this game on Steam, it was the community. Greenlight needs reform not because Valve isn't doing their job, its because we as a whole are so shitty at ours.[/QUOTE] What a pile of bullshit. It's like blaming a child for driving a car into a ditch instead of the mother who sat on the back seat, encouraging the baby to operate the vehicle. There is no such thing as "us". Us who? Facepunchers? /v/? Reddit? Do we have meetings where we decide to vote on bad games? Because I totally missed that one. World doesn't work like that. It works like this: There are people who deeply care about Steam and it's quality, a really small percent of the whole userbase. And then there's 12 year old masses who see a zombie game and click on the 'vote' button. They are not doing their jobs, they have no jobs. It's just kids and adults who see a fancy idea for a game and click a button. You're blaming 'us', like 'us' is one entity. "You voted for it and you're whining"? I didn't vote for anything. Masses are extremely ignorant and careless. You don't let them decide what goes on Steam. That's the job of 5, maybe 10 open minded industry experts and long time game players somewhere at valve who will actually play the game and decide if that game deserves to be on Steam. That's how it should be, but, sadly, Gabe wants a complete opposite. tl;dr: Valve is 'commander', community is 'workers', Picking good games on greenlight is 'job'. If a commander chooses workers absolutely unfit and unqualified for doing the job, it's not the fault of the workers. For every one person who will judge a game and click on a vote button only if it's actually good, there's 10 persons who will just click on whatever they found to be remotely interesting. Don't blame that one person.

[QUOTE=Spor;43836689]What a pile of bullshit. It's like blaming a child for driving a car into a ditch instead of the mother who sat on the back seat, encouraging the baby to operate the vehicle. There is no such thing as "us". Us who? Facepunchers? /v/? Reddit? Do we have meetings where we decide to vote on bad games? Because I totally missed that one. World doesn't work like that. It works like this: There are people who deeply care about Steam and it's quality, a really small percent of the whole userbase. And then there's 12 year old masses who see a zombie game and click on the 'vote' button. They are not doing their jobs, they have no jobs. It's just kids and adults who see a fancy idea for a game and click a button. You're blaming 'us', like 'us' is one entity. "You voted for it and you're whining"? I didn't vote for anything. Masses are extremely ignorant and careless. You don't let them decide what goes on Steam.[B] That's the job of 5, maybe 10 open minded industry experts and long time game players somewhere at valve who will actually play the game and decide if that game deserves to be on Steam.[/B] That's how it should be, but, sadly, Gabe wants a complete opposite. tl;dr: Valve is 'commander', community is 'workers', Picking good games on greenlight is 'job'. If a commander chooses workers absolutely unfit and unqualified for doing the job, it's not the fault of the workers. For every one person who will judge a game and click on a vote button only if it's actually good, there's 10 persons who will just click on whatever they found to be remotely interesting. Don't blame that one person.[/QUOTE] I couldn't disagree with you more. I see absolutely no reason why "shitty" games shouldn't go on Steam if the players wants it to go. You're not forced to buy the games. But if other people wants to buy it, let them. It's not hurting you. And the fact that the Steam platform is becoming more and more open is a good thing. Disclaimer: I'm not defending the game. It's absolute crap. But I am defending the way Greenlight works.

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