[QUOTE=Dan2593;40276153]
But he's never directly killed anybody[/QUOTE]
But he has killed millions(probably) indirectly.
[QUOTE=nightlord;40276164]I don't like this Doctor too much because he's not serious/dark enough. Lots of things the previous Doctors did i couldn't imagine him doing[/QUOTE]
That's the point.
Every Doctor should be totally different. The problem with 9&10 (if there is one) is they were far too similar. From what I've seen Eleven is so heart broken by the time war he doesn't want to talk about it.
This is a weird point but roll with me: I imagine if all The Doctors went on social networking sites Nine would be the one constantly sounding off about problems, being mostly flippant. Ten would be posting vague lyrics and constantly going on about how much sadder his life has got, and posting whenever he has a happy moment. Eleven will be just liking pictures of cats and feeling sorry for himself in private.
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[QUOTE=Rapist;40276170]But he has killed millions(probably) indirectly.[/QUOTE]
Only bad people. And he gave them all multiple chances and tried to avoid it every time. Even Daleks. Even The Master. He's also saved millions of civilisations.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;40276203] And he gave them all multiple chances .[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;t_APk84hv0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_APk84hv0I[/video]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;40276230][video=youtube;t_APk84hv0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_APk84hv0I[/video][/QUOTE]
Yeah I always found that odd. After that episode he really never followed up the "no second chance" thing. He gave The Master a hundred. In the Sontaran episode he threatened them and told them to leave, then was going to ask them again by blowing himself up.
Cold War was pretty good. I almost lost it when Clara nearly sung at the end, but thank god that was averted.
My main problems with it were the fact that ultimately nobody had a damn thing to do with the resolution. If he had remained chained for twenty minutes then the whole thing would have resolved itself.
That and they [I]really[/I] need to cut back on the [B]DEEP EVIL GROWLY OVER-DRAMATIC VOICES[/B] since they make the monsters a bit ridiculous.
Doctor Who returns to The Proms.
[QUOTE]Forming part of the BBC Proms 2013, there will be two performances, one on the evening of Saturday 13 July and another during the morning on Sunday 14 July[/QUOTE]
On a similar topic, Cameron (Blogtor) mentioned that [i]Journey to The Centre of the TARDIS[/i] will 'cause a reaction from fans' - but not in the same way of Rings - he's a fan of the episode.
Also, my spoiler-filled speculation days are sadly over :v: Just along for the ride from here on.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;40276153]I know ratings don't matter as more and more people are watching it on iPlayer or recording it. But once upon time Who was the highlight of the night. It was the flagship show. Now the BBC keep using it as an experiment and it pisses me off. They did the exact same thing in the 80's and it killed the show instantly. [/QUOTE]
This. And Moffat should just write the one fucking show at once. Finish your stint with Who before trying to be clever with reinventing Sherlock, pay attention to the scripts you allow (I'm sorry but Rings of Akhaten was awful, bar the one well-written but over-dramatic script) and stop allowing trying to be clever about everything.
RTD's season 1 was amazing, because it was like a serial in itself. It established the characters, then it subtly established the villains, how they affected each other, and culminated in a nice Chekov's gun. It really was a serial to me, because you don't realise how tightly the plot is written. It was brilliant.
The second season was a great one as well, simple stories (let's all forget about Love & Monsters, it was written by a kid) with recurring villains that ended in another neat resolution (no matter how sad it was for some viewers). The Doctor didn't end up saving the day, but it had an actual ending and the day was saved in a strange way.
Then comes three, with Martha. Reestablishes classic Who with the Master. A three-parter. Series four, Dalek's Ultimate Plan that was solved with a well-established, loaded Chekov's gun. They all have, in one way or another, a classic feel to them.
Series five was a departure to this timeless set-up, because it reinvented itself. The ending was a huge twist smacked over your head. Was it great TV? Yes, brilliant. The characters were developed, it was very emotional, and we could forget that some of the plot was a bit loose because hey - it's his first series.
Series six started off with a bang, but the plot-line quickly fell into discordance by trying to pull the wool over our eyes with a clever "timey-wimey" (fan art has ruined that term for me) plot-line and adding a twist to it. It was too try-hard, and you couldn't just watch it as a casual viewer. You could with series five, but not series six. If you can't view it as a casual and get into something deeper as a regular watcher then in my opinion it's failing as good TV. RTD managed this quite well (in most cases), Moffat managed it with his personally written episodes up to (but not including) series six. And that's also when we had the series split.
This is all just my opinion, and I'm not sure where I was going with it. It's just a few things about the way I feel about the show. I've watched classic Who since I was a kid and stumbled upon the reboot after my teacher told me about it, and I try not to take it seriously. I just feel that in terms of a quality TV show, the quality is slowly slipping. And I just don't like it.
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so help me, the anniversary better kick my Who-juices back into gear
[QUOTE=Reds;40276346]That and they [I]really[/I] need to cut back on the [B]DEEP EVIL GROWLY OVER-DRAMATIC VOICES[/B] since they make the monsters a bit ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I think the way the Ice Warriors used to hiss in the classic series was a good alternative to the gruff growly voice Skaldak had.
So how did they get the tardis back
The problem is Moffat can write but can't showrun.
Doctor Who had consistency. In RTD the episodes were either average or good. Very rarely you had a bad story, but sure you had them. Moffat. It's either VERY GOOD or VERY BAD. It's up and down. The reason is that while RTD edited every single story (re-writing many) Moffat doesn't. I don't know if he doesn't like to or doesn't have time because of Sherlock.
The way RTD edited meant every episode was well rounded, paced nicely, and not too similar to other episodes. In this series every episode (but one) has had the lights go out as a dramatic plot device. Every episode prior to [I]Bells Of St John[/I] had a mention of Christmas. Multiple stories have had bad guys turn out to be misunderstood. The Power of Love keeps coming up. Clara worries about speaking Russian but never questioned speaking Alien.
That scene with the Ice Warrior out of his suit and the ship would never happen under RTD, it really did look cheap, like classic Who. The producers were tighter than that. All the CGI was consistent. Now you can get really good and really awful CGI in the same episode. I'd rather it all be average than that.
My hope right now is for Moffat to leave before Series 8 and let Matt & Jenna have a full series together under a new showrunner who actually wants to make the show and enjoy doing it.
All we hear from Moffat now is how he's on a verge of a meltdown because of how busy he is doing 1000 things and trying to be very clever doing them all. Throughout which, EPs have come and gone, the budget has gone down and down, and a number of the show's production companies have gone belly up.
I love Moffat as a writer, and I hope he doesn't disconnect himself from the show entirely like RTD has done. But unless he puts everything he has in to Who, it's time for him to leave.
Unfortunately, the most likely outcome is that Smith will be gone at Christmas, and Moffat will be responsible for the 12th Doctor & Clara. I don't think Clara is currently a character which allows Jenna to shine in the same kind of way she has been able to in the past. I hope that changes as she develops - but oh my, she would have been off the scale without the mystery and without the Moffat-penned female characterisation. But for now, she is stuck with the "sort-of unimpressedness' which was highlighted in the character description. Whereas Jenna has always played up to being an extreamly emotive actress. But who knows, once the mystery is solved, perhaps we'll see an even more grounded version of the character.
All of that said, I'm still really enjoying Clara. I'm still really enjoying 11 - as I always have. But it pains me that we may not see this pairing together next year under the direction of a new master.
<3 you Dan and Grizz, you guys get me.
[QUOTE=Aries;40276617]<3 you Dan and Grizz, you guys get me.[/QUOTE]
Let's take over.
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I just wonder why the BBC chose Moffat to take over. He had lots of experience being a great writer sure, but any series he had control of had fallen apart.
I hope the rumours of him leaving are true. But I doubt it.
I really hate the series split, too. What's the point in it? Series 7 part 2 feels like it should be a whole new series, with a new TARDIS, costume, companion and even a new plot arc. It's too much for the stupidly small amount of episodes there are.
I think that Moffat stopped caring about Doctor Who. I think he stopped caring when he got all the "abuse" (people telling him they hated power of love endings because they're stupid, because they are) on twitter about it. Everyone loves Sherlock, especially the episodes Moffat pens. It's pretty obvious he's more interested in Sherlock because nobody bad mouths him about it. I think Moff is a massive egotist, and he lets his ego get in the way. What I think he should do is let Gatiss take over as show runner for Sherlock, as he's obviously a lot more passionate about the original stories and Victorian culture in general than Moffat is, he'd do it right, and let Moffat focus on Doctor Who. Something tells me this won't happen, though.
Even though Moffat isn't a good show runner, he's gonna leave soonish and the most likely replacement would be Mark Gatiss. I like him as a writer, but not nearly as much when he writes for Who - he still hasn't produced a truly great story like RTD and Moffat have done several times. I worry that whoever will replace Moffat will suck horribly, resulting on a decline in the show. Nobody wants that :(
[QUOTE=Lexinator;40276568]So how did they get the tardis back[/QUOTE]
Submarine ride to the South Pole
Also, Moffat is like the Nicolas Cage of Doctor Who. He only does the absolute best and absolute worst episodes.
Robert Shearman's [I]Dalek[/I] was a perfect episode. I want an entire series like that.
I dunno about that; the episode of which we don't speak was done by RTD if I recall, where an alien Bubbles DeVere chased some guy down a street and then melted. Then the guy's girlfriend turned into a paving slab.
[QUOTE=ironman17;40276833]I dunno about that; the episode of which we don't speak was done by RTD if I recall, where an alien Bubbles DeVere chased some guy down a street and then melted. Then the guy's girlfriend turned into a paving slab.[/QUOTE]
That was written by a child, as said a few comments above. What you don't seem to realise is that Night Terrors and Curse Of The Black Spot were allowed by Moffat, and those were written by a professional writer.
[QUOTE=ironman17;40276833]I dunno about that; the episode of which we don't speak was done by RTD if I recall, where an alien Bubbles DeVere chased some guy down a street and then melted. Then the guy's girlfriend turned into a paving slab.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're talking about!! *covers ears*
If and when Moffat decides to throw in the towel, who do you think should take over in the writing department?
[QUOTE=Aries;40276868]That was written by a child, as said a few comments above. What you don't seem to realise is that Night Terrors and Curse Of The Black Spot were allowed by Moffat, and those were written by a professional writer.[/QUOTE]
I didn't really remember those episodes tbh.
[QUOTE=Aries;40276868]That was written by a child, as said a few comments above. What you don't seem to realise is that Night Terrors and Curse Of The Black Spot were allowed by Moffat, and those were written by a professional writer.[/QUOTE]
No lol, the monster was a child's invention, the slab blowjob and the dancing to ELO shite was all RTD.
[QUOTE=ironman17;40276897]I didn't really remember those episodes tbh.[/QUOTE]
That is my exact point.
[QUOTE=Mrglitch2000;40276885]If and when Moffat decides to throw in the towel, who do you think should take over in the writing department?[/QUOTE]
Mark Gatiss?
Dan, Grizz and Aries are like gods among men
[QUOTE=Aries;40276868]That was written by a child, as said a few comments above. What you don't seem to realise is that Night Terrors and Curse Of The Black Spot were allowed by Moffat, and those were written by a professional writer.[/QUOTE]
The child made the monster design. There were literally thousands of ways for RTD to make the episode better. All that needed to be included was a monster that looked like that
[QUOTE=Maloof?;40275438]I didn't enjoy it to be honest; not really all that much suspense, and once again yay kindness and compassion saved the day
To be frank, I really want to see the Doctor lose his shit. It's come up a few times in the post-2005 series, where he's had a fun little speech where he talks about the stuff he's done (Time War type stuff) and how he hasn't got anything to lose (etc), and while the speeches are pretty moving, both before and after he's pretty much his jollyish self. I mean even in the episodes after Angels Take Manhattan he's hardly depressed - he had a slight change of character for the Christmas Special but nothing really dramatic.
I want to see him break down and actually deal with the fact that he destroyed every Time Lord he's ever known, the fact that he's essentially lost everybody he's ever cared about, and the fact that it was always because he took them with him. I know he's not human, but I want to see some bare-bones, flayed-soul humanity just for an episode or two[/QUOTE]
Doctor Whump.
[url]http://www.fanfiction.net/community/11th-Doctor-Whump/91447/[/url]
You want a Doctor that breaks down, this is the genre for it.
We should not write off any current Who writer as showrunner. The very fact we're talking about it proves why. There was plenty of fangasming when Moffat was to move from writer to showrunner. As it turns out, he was a better one-off writer.
What if Mark Gatiss were to come in and dish out some superb serial storytellng, while bringing in some fresh blood for the rest of the series. He could even revive the Moffat that once was - writing single episodes for somebody else.
Of course, it could be dire. But I don't think Gatiss is a dead end. He got the chance to do what he really wanted to do by bringing the Ice Warriors back and it was a success. I think his vision for the series would be worth exploring - and it's not something we get to see when he's penning filler for Moffat (and RTD).
Neil Gaiman for showrunner
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Also, have mirrors been used as an enemy in a story yet? Similar to the Great Intelligence in the wi-fi, a formless being that inhabits reflective surfaces and consumes people by stealing their image. So it would be like a traditional "man in the mirror" horror story, but the creature just lives on the surface of the mirrors, unlike a lot of the stories wherein the reflection in the mirror is actually another world.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;40277832]Neil Gaiman for showrunner[/QUOTE]
that would be the shiiit
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