• Donald Trump - This Is How Liberty Dies
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[QUOTE=TAU!;50103629]"because he's real" A resurrected Hitler is nothing to be happy about.[/QUOTE] Why are people comparing the two? Compare their speeches and you will realize whatever Hitler said had actually content and wasn't just incompetent, constantly repeated babble. [sp]no I'm not a nazi, it's just that Trump is a complete moron and not on the level of Hitler[/sp]
[QUOTE=Noah Gibbs;50105857]Didn't the mass murder and world domination stuff happen after Hitler came into power?[/QUOTE] That doesn't really make a difference unless you think it's feasible that Trump is going to start calling for ethic cleansing and annexation of our neighbors if he gets the presidency, in which case I think you live in a fantasy world.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50105815]That's pretty wrong since John McCain has universal love on this forum. It's just that GOP has pushed forward absolutely shite far right candidates this season and everyone is laughing at them.[/QUOTE] I've made favorable comments about Republicans on this board without catching flak, it's obvious the post you were quoting is just a clumsy example of persecution complex.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50105839]Here's the dealio. While Trump shares qualities with Hitler, those qualities are not the qualities that made Hitler a truely atrocious horrible person. Xenophobia and demagoguery are bad, but the reasons Hitler was one of the greatest monsters of the 20th century were the mass murder and world domination things, not attempts to expel immigrants and appeal to the lowest common denominator. When you say someone is "like Hitler", you're suggesting that they share the most notable qualities of Hitler, the desire for murder and world domination, which just isn't true at all in this case. Yes, both he and Hitler were xenophobes. Yes both he and Hitler were demagogues. But that doesn't implicate Trump beyond saying "he's a demagogue and a xenophobe".[/QUOTE] i don't think he wants to actually take over the world, but he certainly campaigns on making America into an extremely domineering superpower if not a straight-up hyperpower. i would say he comes as close to wanting world domination as a democratically-elected Western candidate can in today's political climate. and to be honest if he thought his voters were any dumber he probably would promise to take over the world
[QUOTE=TAU!;50103629]"because he's real" A resurrected Hitler is nothing to be happy about.[/QUOTE] hahahaha [editline]asd[/editline] the "trump is literally hitler" people are figuratively retarded
[QUOTE=Xephio;50106043]hahahaha [editline]asd[/editline] the "trump is literally hitler" people are figuratively retarded[/QUOTE] Almost as retarded as somebody treating drawn comparisons as declared equivalency.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50106092]Almost as retarded as somebody treating drawn comparisons as declared equivalency.[/QUOTE] "Resurrected Hitler" isnt declared equivalency? Pretty much all Republicans appeal to the "Democrats ruined America and WE can save it" mindset, and Trump found an effective way of doing it. Do you really think he genuinely believes everythinghe says? Politicians prey on the ignorant you can make trump/Hitler comparisons all day but you can do the same with lots of politicians and it comes off as "I don't like this guy so I'm going to compare him to someone who we all hate" I hate Donald Trump as much as the next guy but I'm sick of seeing people resorting to the Hitler comparisons whenever his name comes up
[QUOTE=Jack32;50103515]Because most people are sick of democracy. Every single election cycle you have the same candidates, backed by massive super PACs, making the same promises and delivering nothing. Every single election in the last 40 years has had a lower voter turnout than the last one because so many people are losing faith in the system. The reason so many people flock to Donald Trump is because he's real, he isn't backed or funded by anyone and so he can say whatever he wants, he doesn't have to worry about offending financial backers by making a stand on any issue that might cost him support. It's also refreshing to hear someone with authority talk without giving a damn about Political Correctness, which most working class people are sick of. That's my analysis at least. I don't even live in America, but I can see why people support him.[/QUOTE] I believe the issue is the super shadow shady facade of democracy you guys have with all the Super Delegates in such. if it was just a simple you show up in person right a person you like to be the nominee for what ever party it would be much better ( like an open primary )
People support Trump because "he doesnt sugarcoat things" and "he says what's on his mind" and the right is tired of the GOP shafting them. So we know why he has so much support, but it's not necessarily a good thing. The truth is he's an even bigger flip flopper than a certain Democratic candidate, and I have no clue why people neglect that, and follow the "if not Bernie, then Trump" mindset
Why vote for the politicans that work for the corporations when you can just vote for the corporations. And ACA would've been alot better if the Senate wouldn't block every damn thing. Obama would've done more good if us citizens actually voted in the Senate elections. According to pbs the voter turnout in 2014 were 36.4 which is just ridiculous low. People need to realize that senate is equally as important as the president(maybe just a small percentage less :) but you get what I mean)
[QUOTE=TAU!;50103629]"because he's real" A resurrected Hitler is nothing to be happy about.[/QUOTE] Because caring about one's country and wanting to get rid of people there illegally suddenly makes you a hitler? Get fucking real you ignorant retard. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Melnek;50104125]every time hitler is brought up in a trump conversation i immediately think of pasty white males screaming [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOy1tuVv3w]ARE YOU KIDDING ME[/url][/QUOTE] Sick /pol/ meme friendo, haha sure is a good hoot that one :~) The Hitler comparisons are largely down to his platform and method of gaining support. It's a collection of vague threats to foreign "threats" and untruths about the current state of the country, pandering to a easily riled up, overtly nationalist base of people who refuse to actually learn anything about the country they live in (otherwise known as "fucking morons"). His manner of speaking during speeches is comparable as well, due to the lack of complexity and constant use of memorable punchline-style sentences. Nobody is ever going to say Trump is actually Adolph Hitler, he (so far at least) hasn't called or hinted at the system extermination of a ethnic group (well, tbh I can't find anything like that in Hitlers campaign either, but I'm not a history buff). What people are going to do is call him like they see him, a populist, nationalist assclown pandering to an easily provoked demographic for his own gains and nothing more.
[QUOTE=Radio Yes;50106538]People support Trump because "he doesnt sugarcoat things" and "he says what's on his mind" and the right is tired of the GOP shafting them. So we know why he has so much support, but it's not necessarily a good thing. The truth is he's an even bigger flip flopper than a certain Democratic candidate, and I have no clue why people neglect that, and follow the "if not Bernie, then Trump" mindset[/QUOTE] That because they are talking about the same things. [url]http://www.npr.org/2016/02/08/465974199/what-do-sanders-and-trump-have-in-common-more-than-you-think[/url]
[QUOTE=Jack32;50103515]Because most people are sick of democracy. Every single election cycle you have the same candidates, backed by massive super PACs, making the same promises and delivering nothing. Every single election in the last 40 years has had a lower voter turnout than the last one because so many people are losing faith in the system. The reason so many people flock to Donald Trump is because he's real, he isn't backed or funded by anyone and so he can say whatever he wants, he doesn't have to worry about offending financial backers by making a stand on any issue that might cost him support. It's also refreshing to hear someone with authority talk without giving a damn about Political Correctness, which most working class people are sick of. That's my analysis at least. I don't even live in America, but I can see why people support him.[/QUOTE] Ironically Trump really isn't self funding his campaign, it's a loan he expects the RNC to repair during the regular election. People say they're sick of rich businessmen buying elections, well Trump is a rich business man. The only difference is he's buying his own election. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate funded by and for the people
[QUOTE=Adarrek;50107648]Because caring about one's country and wanting to get rid of people there illegally suddenly makes you a hitler? Get fucking real you ignorant retard. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight][/QUOTE] So you're okay with someone destroying the lives of people who likely risked life and limb to get to a country they've been conditioned to see as a safe haven because they'd have a better chance at a somewhat comfortable life there? His condemnation of illegal immigrants, and his persistent slandering of hispanic people (specifically Mexicans), sounds like he's just condemning an entire group of people for no reason other than to rile up a bigoted population of locals against these people who are being portrayed as less than human, even though they are as human as anyone else around. All he's done with that slander is label minorities as bad people, and is getting support from bigots in doing so. He wants to get rid of them like they're garbage, and it sounds like you think that's okay.
Why I should care about immigrants? I am not agreeing with Trump. I am asking what the real motive behind this to be considered "moral"? Far I can tell, it just another moral stick the left uses to beat people over the head so they can legitimize their selfish need to gain more power. When the undocumented workers are legalized, they will have a loyal voting block that will put in democrats no matter what. This will make the legal immigrants angry and poor white folks racist too. Why? Because these people are doing the right thing, and it is unfair to treat someone who to them is better treatment and is breaking all the rules to do so. That causes intense resentment. Your recommendation on how to deal with the problem and saying any one who disagrees with you while perusing a solution that will increase racial tension is confusing to say the least
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50112863]Why I should care about immigrants?[/QUOTE] I think in general, we, as a people should care about all other individuals. That doesn't mean we have to go out of our way to to help them, but at the very least, we shouldn't be going out of our way to hinder others. Following that, giving immigrants the right to legal status is not harming many people. In fact, most "illegal" immigrants are not border hoppers, they are in fact people farmers who migrated to the US under legal conditions to work for farmers with low wages. These people are treated very poorly and work some of the toughest farming jobs on the planet. They end up overstaying their working visas and lose their status in the US because they are never granted citizenship. They become trapped in the US in these situations. It happens a lot in New York State, which is very far from the border. If you're interested, there is more information here: [url]https://www.hrw.org/topic/migration?ea.tracking.id=ED2016EVSCgg&gclid=CjwKEAjwlq24BRDMjdK7g8mD6BASJABBl8n3c8kZmmkYukb76fuFO9Qo992IJ_N6z4zke2b8QsymMBoCJPnw_wcB[/url] There is always more to the story than the polarizing politicians would have you believe. The "powers that be" tend to try and make us look downward on the social hierarchy as the reason for economical woes, when in reality it is often a distraction from issues emanating from the top.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50112863] Far I can tell, it just another moral stick the left uses to beat people over the head so they can legitimize their selfish need to gain more power.[/QUOTE] When you take out the loaded phrases and words in this sentence, I don't really see how this is a criticism. A party needs to be in power if they want to achieve the goals they're talking about. It shouldn't be a surprise that any party wishes to gain more power when they talk about what they want to accomplish.
In my view Trump is a salesman. He uses big buzzphrases and powerful promises (make america great again, kill isis and take their oil and build a wall to keep "the bad people" out) encouraging americans to have that nationalistic pride. In this case the product he is selling is the vote on ignorant people. I doubt Trump can solve any sort of problem politically without shoehorning his dumb ideas. He only has a voice in the economy because he's a rich businessman but for everything he knows jack shit.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50112863]Why I should care about immigrants? I am not agreeing with Trump. I am asking what the real motive behind this to be considered "moral"? Far I can tell, it just another moral stick the left uses to beat people over the head so they can legitimize their selfish need to gain more power. When the undocumented workers are legalized, they will have a loyal voting block that will put in democrats no matter what. This will make the legal immigrants angry and poor white folks racist too. Why? Because these people are doing the right thing, and it is unfair to treat someone who to them is better treatment and is breaking all the rules to do so. That causes intense resentment. Your recommendation on how to deal with the problem and saying any one who disagrees with you while perusing a solution that will increase racial tension is confusing to say the least[/QUOTE] Accepting immigrants doesn't cause racial tension, advocating bigotry does that. By not encouraging people to understand one another or get along with each other also causes that. Setting up racial divides between any people causes racial tension, so I'm really not sure where you're going with this. Also, angering legal immigrants? Why? Because they "worked hard" to get here, as if any illegals and undocumented citizens didn't do the same thing.
[QUOTE=daisyjukes;50112957]I think in general, we, as a people should care about all other individuals.\.[/QUOTE] Im getting old and cynical enough whenever I hear someone tell me I should care for others, I begin to suspect I am either talking to a snake oil salesmen or someone who is under the thrall of one. I do agree the issue is more complex then that. I live in a rural fly over state and have lived (and worked) on a border town. I have seen how the farmers are being exploited. Not much I could do for them As for the one who come here legally and having some thing expire. That is not a call for blanket amnesty. That is a call for a system over haul. [QUOTE] it is often a distraction from issues emanating from the top.[/QUOTE] The top are in my mind are merely of the reflection of what happens at the bottom. It not them that need to change. It is our selves. [QUOTE]When you take out the loaded phrases and words in this sentence, I don't really see how this is a criticism. A party needs to be in power if they want to achieve the goals they're talking about. It shouldn't be a surprise that any party wishes to gain more power when they talk about what they want to accomplish.[/QUOTE] It is not accomplishing the stated moral goals of the party but advancing the elites of said parties selfish interests under the guise of said moral goals. To me, give blanket amnesty is all about ensuring a loyal voter block for more power for the party and more dominance over society. Which is hypocritical considering the stated morals of the left. Note I am not a conservative. I think both sides need equal measures of criticism. [QUOTE]Accepting immigrants doesn't cause racial tension, advocating bigotry does that[/QUOTE] In other words you never lived near a border town, never worked in one, never talked or had any relationship with these people, at any time in your life, are ignorant of history and biology. I am talking about those who have not assimilated or are here illegally. You are also assuming bigotry is a social construct. It is not. [QUOTE]Also, angering legal immigrants?[/QUOTE] Like I said, you never talked to a legal immigrant on how they feel about how unfair it feels the illegal immigrants seems to get better treatment. How would you feel you did everything right, and someone else just didn't have to, got the same thing you wanted but with less effort. It would seem rather unfair wouldn't it?
Trump supporters just want free stuff
[QUOTE=abcpea;50116437]Trump supporters just want free stuff[/QUOTE] If I vote for Trump will I instantly become a billionaire too?
[QUOTE=Jack32;50103515]Every single election in the last 40 years has had a lower voter turnout than the last one because so many people are losing faith in the system.[/QUOTE] This isn't true [img]http://i.imgur.com/yYby79H.png[/img]
Wow a huge turnout for Obama. I wonder what it will be like this year.
[QUOTE=Jack32;50103515]Because most people are sick of democracy. Every single election cycle you have the same candidates, backed by massive super PACs, making the same promises and delivering nothing. Every single election in the last 40 years has had a lower voter turnout than the last one because so many people are losing faith in the system. The reason so many people flock to Donald Trump is because he's real, he isn't backed or funded by anyone and so he can say whatever he wants, he doesn't have to worry about offending financial backers by making a stand on any issue that might cost him support. It's also refreshing to hear someone with authority talk without giving a damn about Political Correctness, which most working class people are sick of. That's my analysis at least. I don't even live in America, but I can see why people support him.[/QUOTE] If you hate political correctness its probably because you're hiding some internal racism/prejudice.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;50118313]If you hate political correctness its probably because you're hiding some internal racism/prejudice.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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