Oh sshit time to watch the fucking last episode of this show. Man it has been a great ride.
the part with all the biohazard stuff was amazing
overall a pretty good, but like someone else said i wish they had showed them in the future
Oslo, Norway, 2167:
Random old man: "Are you Walter Bishop?"
Walter: "Yes? Have we met?"
Random old man: "No, but... I've seen pictures of you... My name's [blank]. [blank] Bishop. I'm Etta's grandson."
Man that was awesome, I wish this show would never end :(
ASGFGFSHF
ALL THE VIRUSES
THEY RELEASED THEM ALL
Also, I dont give a shit about the plot hole where peter and olivia are still together. They made up for it with the anti-gravity bullets.
[sp]That was so fucking COOL[/sp]
[editline]19th January 2013[/editline]
Also, a few episodes late, but I'm glad the "green green green red" pattern made an appearance.
Thank's for ruining the weekend of my birthday, Fringe.
I'm going to be crying the whole time at my party tonight.
So could anybody explain the [sp]white tulip, I think I forgot about what it meant from the older episodes[/sp] also, about the ending, does that mean that [sp]Peter & Olivia never met Astrid or any of the people over the course of the 5 seasons? Like everything is erased? All of the Pattern mutation shit and all?[/sp]
Time confuses me
[QUOTE=Gar;39275643]All spoilers for the series finale, don't click if you haven't watched.
[sp]Alright, I want to be clear up front that Fringe has been some of the only TV I've had the patience to watch in a long time, and this finale hasn't changed my feelings toward the show as a whole. It's still one of the best I've seen.
That said, a lot of this was sloppy. Starting off, I was fine with them making another trek to the other side, in fact I've been hoping for it since the bridge closed last season. But I'm disappointed, all we see is Lincoln and Folivia? No Charlie? No Astrid, no Broyles?
It feels like an opportunity missed especially since the only point of it was to let us see the other side again. I'm fine with them appearing hardly older, as if a little grey hair was all they needed but it was lackluster for the most part. And they keep changing how cortexaphan works, that's annoying.
If Walter going with the boy was always the plan, what was the point of introducing the twist with Donald wanting to go? Yeah, I get the character motivation behind it but then what. It made no difference, Walter still went. It felt like filler and a weak attempt to illicit an emotional response.
Which I'm not even sure they got because they replaced that so quickly with Peter and Walter's long look at each other before they went through the portal. (The music box while all the fighting was going on and time rapidly running out was a little much though. I mean, come on.)
The build-up to Walter's leaving was good, I teared up when Walter was explaining the plan to Peter. Their relationship has always been a high point for me in the whole series and I'm glad Walter got at least part of those memories back.
Glad Broyles didn't die, but he should have figured out they were on to him a long time ago. I mean, he's a smart guy.
I wish they'd stop bringing up that white tulip. It was perfect for the episode they first showed it in but they've used it too much now.
As well, I assume the Observers mission still occurs, since if time reset and the observers never existed then Walternate would have never been distracted from saving Peter's life and then Walter wouldn't have had to go rescue him himself, thus saving the universe from ever having been split open or whatever in the first place. But it must still happen, since that still happens, and Olivia and Peter still get together.
Anyway, I'll probably remember more when my thoughts have settled down but those are some gripes. I hope none of you think I'm bashing the show needlessly, I'm not. And writing series finales is pretty damn difficult, so the fact that they managed to do it at all is pretty good.
Oh, and GENE. I missed that cow.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I didn't really understand why everything reset to the point of invasion. Why didn't it reset to the beginning of the series? I think they tried too hard to bend their own rules about time and alternate realities just so they could have a moderately happy ending. If they reset everything related to the observers, Peter shouldn't exist and as a consequence obviously he has no daughter with Olivia. But that wouldn't have held up as an ending I guess.[/sp]
It's too confusing to argue against.
Still, I was wondering if Walter created the observers and that's why he wanted to go, because he wanted to tell himself he was wrong.
That's why he felt he had to go, because he knew that the only one he would believe was himself.
I am still confused why Peter still exists but whatever it was a great ending.
i thought [sp]walter[/sp] said he would exist up till 2015 in the timeline
or maybe i didn't understand that part
[QUOTE=JerryK;39290979]i thought walter said he would exist up till 2015 in the timeline
or maybe i didn't understand that part[/QUOTE]
That is exactly [sp]what he said.[/sp] The timeline is [sp]only reset back to 2015, which means all the Fringe events had occured, everyone are still the same, except that the 2015 -> 2036 story never plays out.[/sp]
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;39277323]First one to [sp]list all the shit they released in the Observer/Loyalist HQ[/sp] gets a cookie.[/QUOTE]
[sp]In order of appearance:[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/209/normal_Fringe209-068.jpg]-[/url][sp]The squid-thing (s2,e09)[/sp]
[url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090429204957/fringe/images/7/7e/1x11_ColdLab.png]-[/url][sp]Mutated cold virus (s1,e11)[/sp]
[url=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090429030060/fringe/images/7/74/1x14_Seal.jpg]-[/url][sp]Rapid skin growth toxin (s1,e14)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/106/normal_fringe106-107.JPG]-[/url][sp]Exploding head (s1,e06)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/109/normal_fringe109-030.jpg]-[/url][sp]Halucinating butterflies (s1,e09)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/417/normal_Fringe417EverythingInItsRightPlace0004473.jpg]-[/url][sp]Decomposing/ liquifying virus (s4,e17)[/sp]
I'd like a cookie now.
[QUOTE=Summer_Gun;39293952][sp]In order of appearance:[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/209/normal_Fringe209-068.jpg]-[/url][sp]The squid-thing (s2,e09)[/sp]
[url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090429204957/fringe/images/7/7e/1x11_ColdLab.png]-[/url][sp]Mutated cold virus (s1,e11)[/sp]
[url=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090429030060/fringe/images/7/74/1x14_Seal.jpg]-[/url][sp]Rapid skin growth toxin (s1,e14)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/106/normal_fringe106-107.JPG]-[/url][sp]Exploding head (s1,e06)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/109/normal_fringe109-030.jpg]-[/url][sp]Halucinating butterflies (s1,e09)[/sp]
[url=http://www.fringefiles.com/gallery/albums/episodes/417/normal_Fringe417EverythingInItsRightPlace0004473.jpg]-[/url][sp]Decomposing/ liquifying virus (s4,e17)[/sp]
I'd like a cookie now.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_Fate#Continuity]Cheater[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;39291044]That is exactly [sp]what he said.[/sp] The timeline is [sp]only reset back to 2015, which means all the Fringe events had occured, everyone are still the same, except that the 2015 -> 2036 story never plays out.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Maybe I wasn't paying proper attention, but [sp]since Walter mentioned that he and the boy would be erased from the timeline, does that mean he was only erased from 2015-onward? In that case, it's not a very happy ending if Peter ends up noticing that Walter is completely missing.[/sp] I suppose it doesn't matter since Fringe is over now.
No you weren't paying proper attention haha.
[sp]When Peter finds the letter he's confused. So he goes to the lab to ask Walter what it is. When he gets to the lab he finds the video Walter recorded for him saying goodbye (the one they watched in 2036)[/sp]
[editline]20th January 2013[/editline]
[sp]Though this does kinda mean Fringe division is defunct. No point running it without Walter to diagnose the problems and create solutions. Though William Bell is still out there (It was revealed he made a deal with the Observers after the invaded so he wasn't dead) so perhaps he could fill in.
I guess you could be pedantic and say Peter should've died as September never pulled him out of the lake. But that can be explained away by the fact Peter shouldn't exist in that timeline anyway. You could go on to say any point in which September interfered should never have happened.[/sp]
[editline]20th January 2013[/editline]
To be honest I'm expecting it to go the same route as Buffy and in time we'll have a graphic novel series and books and comics.
We'll find out what happens somehow. Though I would prefer to leave it like that.
Didn't Peter die in our universe while Walter was trying to concoct a cure but then Walter got distracted by September appearing in the lab?
[QUOTE=The_Marine;39295478]Didn't Peter die in our universe while Walter was trying to concoct a cure but then Walter got distracted by September appearing in the lab?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's pretty much the entire point of Fringe.
Walter went to the future and made it clear that, to get things to pan out as they ended up, the eventual emotional observers would make it so the events pan out as they should to get the ending we got, so no paradoxes happened at the end.
[sp] but wasn't the whole point of peter being erased to set the timeline on the correct path in the first place, so after peter was erased, everything September had done was basically gone? [/sp]
I think there's going to have to come a point where we all realize that we'll probably never fully understand timeline paradoxes and how they work and we have to realize that its a [I]Science Fiction[/I] television show.
decided i was going to rewatch the series and something caught my attention
in the first episode, when olivia is about to go into the tank, walter is injecting the stuff into the back of her head and she's grabbing onto peter
dunno if it was just a coincidence, but pretty cool if the part in the Liberty episode was a bit of a homage to that
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;39298287]I think there's going to have to come a point where we all realize that we'll probably never fully understand timeline paradoxes and how they work and we have to realize that its a [I]Science Fiction[/I] television show.[/QUOTE]
I don't really think there's as much going on under the hood as you assume. This show pretty much told us exactly what was going on this season, and I feel like that was part of the problem when it makes you go "huh?" anyway because their rules about time travel and alternate universes aren't consistent. I liked the finale and all, this season just kind of revealed everything pretty quickly and I kind of lost interest in the plotline. It was pretty obvious it was going to end with [sp]a time reset of some sort[/sp]. I found the observers more interesting as mysterious antagonists, before we found out exactly where they were from and what their intentions were.
It would be pretty funny if Walter went back in time and saved Peter.
Be pretty funny if when they opened the portal an Observer went through (or teleported) to the other end and just closed it.
[sp] When Walter and Michael step into the portal at the end, Walter talks to the scientists about how Michael has an intelligence and overall enlightenment that the Observers never had before and they realise this and never continue down the path that led the Observers towards the invasion.
Many of you have said that if the Observers never existed then September couldn't of pulled Peter from the lake. The observers still exist, but because of Michael they never took the path to rid themselves of emotion and replace it with higher learning function, which leads to the Invasion.
The original scientific team of 12 still go back through time and observe and as we seen throughout the series, they still feel emotions that Windmark and the other invaders do not (August fell in love with that girl he saved)
Either way, if the Observers never existed - Walter wouldn't of been distracted by September in the lab and would have seen that he had found the cure for Peter and never had to crossover in the first place.[/sp]
I don't know why they named the season 4 finale "Brave New World," when, in fact, the whole fifth season is like that book. The Observers, grown from bottles, reject certain emotions, but end up more animalistic in nature. Human kind is like John from the book.
Also, I can't believe it's over. I've been watching this show from the beginning. So much. So many developments, twists and emotions.
I loved how big a part of the show September became.
A white tulip to my fellow fans. So long, Fringe.
Time to get all 100 episodes of this shit on glorious Blu-Ray!
[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;39349546]Time to get all 100 episodes of this shit on glorious Blu-Ray![/QUOTE]
Oh Polly, you must have gotten a new hard drive.
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