Arabic Chat thread - LOL عام 2013 بورشه 911 سيارة جيدة
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[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39066092]Your first name, your father's first name and then your last name. No middle names.
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
You can also put the names of your bazillion ancestors after your dad's name, like your first name, your father's name, your grandfather's name, your great grandfather's name, ..., to your last name (which is commonly known in arabic as the "family name")[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/aUMSS.jpg[/t]
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[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
fuck missed a dot on the jeem fml
My name is "Justin Chrilz Brlint".....?
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
Couldn't even read the last word.
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
also you missed a dot on the thaa'
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39069973]My name is "Justin Chrilz Brlint".....?
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
Couldn't even read the last word.
[editline]2nd January 2013[/editline]
also you missed a dot on the thaa'[/QUOTE]
Fuck me, that was supposed to be an alef there and not a lam :v: Other than that I did alright I guess.
Is it a good idea to put vowel marks on letters in your name?
proud you could read the che though.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/hAy8P.jpg[/t]
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[QUOTE=Irkalla;39034086][video=youtube;yN8IlYf5Ktg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN8IlYf5Ktg[/video]
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why did i know this would be involved.
[QUOTE=AK'z;39073298]why did i know this would be involved.[/QUOTE]
Was not I who drew the first blood.
It was either that or Rock the Casbah, so take your pick :v:
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39072175]Fuck me, that was supposed to be an alef there and not a lam :v: Other than that I did alright I guess.
Is it a good idea to put vowel marks on letters in your name?
proud you could read the che though.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/hAy8P.jpg[/t]
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Justin Charles and the last name is just wrong, even with vowel marks. You can't put a Fatha mark before a Kasra.
Is there multiple Arabic languages, or just one?
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;39077534]Is there multiple Arabic languages, or just one?[/QUOTE]
Mutiple dialects yes, multiple languages no.
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39077244]Justin Charles and the last name is just wrong, even with vowel marks. You can't put a Fatha mark before a Kasra.[/QUOTE]
one day ill be good at arabic
[editline]3rd January 2013[/editline]
ull see
You must show me how to make an ei sound... for example, ghein.
Oh, assume that first alif in the family name isn't there, make any sense?
The specific sound in 'ghein' (I would rather transliterate it as ghayn or ghain) is written using the fatha followed by the letter ي.
غَين
so the sound you're referring to is this one: َي
Edit: Bleh facepunch is not rendering the script properly, the fatha is supposed to be on the letter before ي, not after.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;39079591]The specific sound in 'ghein' (I would rather transliterate it as ghayn or ghain) is written using the fatha followed by the letter ي.
غَين
so the sound you're referring to is this one: َي
Edit: Bleh facepunch is not rendering the script properly, the fatha is supposed to be on the letter before ي, not after.[/QUOTE]
can the yodh have its own vowel or must it be left alone?
For example, Ghayn -> Ghayan
My wikipedia expeditions seem to suggest that I'd need to have an alif after the yodh preceded with fatah to get ayah. Also, can I stack vowel marks?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/sRcH1.jpg[/t]
[editline]3rd January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39077552]Mutiple dialects yes, multiple languages no.[/QUOTE]
you also have cultural borders where you're likely to encounter bastard languages
مرحبا! درست اللغة لخمسة سنوات و فذلك يمكنكم ان تسؤلي اي واحد من اسئلكم. معظم اللغة التي اعرفها هي رسمية و لكن افهم عامية قليلا. ما زلت اكون طالب و لست استاذ لكن انا افهم اللغة جيدا و يمكنني ان اساعدكم مع التدريس اللغة العربية اذا تريد ذلك.
Now for those of you who don't speak/read Arabic. I've studied Arabic for five years and would be more than happy to help anyone who has questions about the language. I'm still a student and by no means an expert, but I'm quite familiar with the language, although most of what I know is formal rather than colloquial, but can still answer questions.
[QUOTE=Bootlord;39080624]مرحبا! درست اللغة لخمسة سنوات و فذلك يمكنكم ان تسؤلي اي واحد من اسئلكم. معظم اللغة التي اعرفها هي رسمية و لكن افهم عامية قليلا. ما زلت اكون طالب و لست استاذ لكن انا افهم اللغة جيدا و يمكنني ان اساعدكم مع التدريس اللغة العربية اذا تريد ذلك.
Now for those of you who don't speak/read Arabic. I've studied Arabic for five years and would be more than happy to help anyone who has questions about the language. I'm still a student and by no means an expert, but I'm quite familiar with the language, although most of what I know is formal rather than colloquial, but can still answer questions.[/QUOTE]
Since you can understand, why not watch movies? Great place to pick up everyday talk, though you're likely to encounter Cairo far more than Standard.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39080677]Since you can understand, why not watch movies? Great place to pick up everyday talk, though you're likely to encounter Cairo far more than Standard.[/QUOTE]
We're starting to do that in class, but i'm finding it hard to be sure I'm translating it right.
To that effect, we usually watch movies with subtitles, but if I'm tired it turns into "let's read english" rather than "let's learn arabic".
[QUOTE=Bootlord;39080712]We're starting to do that in class, but i'm finding it hard to be sure I'm translating it right.
To that effect, we usually watch movies with subtitles, but if I'm tired it turns into "let's read english" rather than "let's learn arabic".[/QUOTE]
as long as you feel engaged... you should be doing it right. if you get lost....
Also, is it a bad idea to write English words in Arabic? It's what I've been doing to try to increase my writing speed.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Z700q.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Bootlord;39080624]مرحبا! درست اللغة لخمسة سنوات و فذلك يمكنكم ان تسؤلي اي واحد من اسئلكم. معظم اللغة التي اعرفها هي رسمية و لكن افهم عامية قليلا. ما زلت اكون طالب و لست استاذ لكن انا افهم اللغة جيدا و يمكنني ان اساعدكم مع التدريس اللغة العربية اذا تريد ذلك.
Now for those of you who don't speak/read Arabic. I've studied Arabic for five years and would be more than happy to help anyone who has questions about the language. I'm still a student and by no means an expert, but I'm quite familiar with the language, although most of what I know is formal rather than colloquial, but can still answer questions.[/QUOTE]
Hey your arabic is brilliant for someone who's learning it, I honestly have never thought that somebody could be as good as you are by learning it because as far as I'm concerned, arabic is one of the worst languages when it comes to being taught.
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39083441]Hey your arabic is brilliant for someone who's learning it, I honestly have never thought that somebody could be as good as you are by learning it because as far as I'm concerned, arabic is one of the worst languages when it comes to being taught.[/QUOTE]
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Sumerian is the gold standard of horrible languages. It was essentially a rough draft of language and writing.
There's one word of note in Sumerian in comparison to Arabic... Actually two.
Silim, and La. One is a greeting, the other is No. I personally believe these words found themselves into Semitic languages through Akkadian... When these languages gave way to Aramaic, it took them with it too. Many, many modern languages were influenced by Aramaic, including but not limited to Hebrew, Arabic, Farsi, and Modern Assyrian Aramaic. Shalom, Lo; as-Salaamu Alaykum, La; Salaam; Shlama Dakhit (would have been Shlama Leikh or something in historical Aramaic) respectively.
But yeah, what I was getting at is that Arabic isn't a terrible language. It's fairly simple from what I see, it's just there's a learning cliff to get over.
[img]http://puu.sh/1J7MB[/img]
what is this horsefuckery
[QUOTE=dvc;39084249][img]http://puu.sh/1J7MB[/img]
what is this horsefuckery[/QUOTE]
Well, the 2013 Porsche 911 [B][I]is[/I][/B] a good car, isn't it?
[QUOTE=dvc;39084249][img]http://puu.sh/1J7MB[/img]
what is this horsefuckery[/QUOTE]
Facepunch's layout wasn't really designed with left-to-right languages in mind.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39084125]But yeah, what I was getting at is that Arabic isn't a terrible language. It's fairly simple from what I see, it's just there's a learning cliff to get over.[/QUOTE]
A HUGE learning curve that is. Think of it as Dota: the language.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
Eh why do I keep saying that, I'm just ruining your motivation. Just disregard what I said, if you have the willpower to learn you're going to learn it for sure.
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39084623]Facepunch's layout wasn't really designed with left-to-right languages in mind.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
A HUGE learning curve that is. Think of it as Dota: the language.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
Eh why do I keep saying that, I'm just ruining your motivation. Just disregard what I said, if you have the willpower to learn you're going to learn it for sure.[/QUOTE]
That's why I said learning cliff... that's a common saying in dota. learning cliff.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39084773]That's why I said learning cliff... that's a common saying in dota. learning cliff.[/QUOTE]
Well how would I know, I don't play Dota
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;39083441]Hey your arabic is brilliant for someone who's learning it, I honestly have never thought that somebody could be as good as you are by learning it because as far as I'm concerned, arabic is one of the worst languages when it comes to being taught.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I really like the language and while I agree the grammar is a pain to learn, I think the roots-and-patterns system actually makes it easier. It's like linguistic algebra and you can learn pretty quickly how to make new words. That's one of my favorite parts.
Also, I'm left-handed and its one of the few languages where my handwriting isn't awful. So, there's that.
How the fuck do I write a final lem-alif? The fuck, mine looks like shit. Also, is my arabic neat, or messy? How can I improve it? I'm still working on getting comfortable writing everything.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/bk3RN.png[/t]
Still trying to get used to this web doodle thing :| Yes, this writing is horrible. I probably should be ashamed of writing God's name so poorly.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/btO3x.png[/t]
I can sorta read it... La alah ala Allah Muhamad rasoul Allah. The Allah coming after rasoul shows that the rasoul belongs to Alllah... The rasoul coming after Muhamad shows that Muhamad is the rasoul... I assume alah means a god.
The meaning I gather from it is that "Is no god, isn't [applicable to] Allah, Muhamad is rasoul which belongs to Allah."
Further refining this, I get "There is no god, except Allah; Muhamad, Allah's rasoul."
I'm certain that rasoul is something along the lines of Prophet or Messenger.
Even further, and I get "There is no god but Allah; And Muhammad is His prophet."
I will admit, that I knew the meaning beforehand, but I didn't know what the words said.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39091370]How the fuck do I write a final lem-alif? The fuck, mine looks like shit. Also, is my arabic neat, or messy? How can I improve it? I'm still working on getting comfortable writing everything.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/bk3RN.png[/t]
Still trying to get used to this web doodle thing :| Yes, this writing is horrible. I probably should be ashamed of writing God's name so poorly.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/btO3x.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Your handwriting is fine, a few things to note though:
The shedda on the two laams of Allah is like a little sidewards 3, not how you wrote it. You should have a shedda and a 'dagger alif' (the straight line pointing downwards) which signifies an alif sound without writing it as part of the word.
And maybe I'm being a bit too picky but your ح looks more like an Syriac gamal than an Arabic ح.
But in any case, your handwriting is great. I've been writing Arabic for 9 years and it's much better than mine :v
Edit: Oh yeah and there should be an alef hamza on the bottom of the alif in 'إله'. That's used to denote the kasra at the beginning of the word (أ is used to denote the fatha at the beginning of the word).
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;39091557]Your handwriting is fine, a few things to note though:
The shedda on the two laams of Allah is like a little sidewards 3, not how you wrote it. You should have a shedda and a 'dagger alif' (the straight line pointing downwards) which signifies an alif sound without writing it as part of the word.
And maybe I'm being a bit too picky but your ح looks more like an Syriac gamal than an Arabic ح.
But in any case, your handwriting is great. I've been writing Arabic for 9 years and it's much better than mine :v
Edit: Oh yeah and there should be an alef hamza on the bottom of the alif in 'إله'. That's used to denote the kasra at the beginning of the word (أ is used to denote the fatha at the beginning of the word).[/QUOTE]
The marker is much too big to properly write the diacritics, so I pulled a smaller one.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BO6Fc.png[/t]
This any better?
Also, now that I know about the alef hamza...
"La ilah ala Allah Muhamad rasoul Allah"
Now that I properly have all the words...
"No god is there, not counting Allah; Muhamad is the messenger/prophet belonging to Allah."
[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0xpgTuZ486B"]Do I speak it correctly?[/URL] I probably sound belaboured or robotic, but that will soon pass. Also, I'm working on the distinction between [URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s1yNgdhVnMIT"]ح[/URL] ,[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NmbCUNdRJV"]خ[/URL] ,[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ojiHGXImMN"]غ[/URL], and [URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ejDR8sKz6h"]ه[/URL]. How is it?
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39091744]The marker is much too big to properly write the diacritics, so I pulled a smaller one.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BO6Fc.png[/t]
This any better?
Also, now that I know about the alef hamza...
"La ilah ala Allah Muhamad rasoul Allah"
Now that I properly have all the words...
"No god is there, not counting Allah; Muhamad is the messenger/prophet belonging to Allah."
[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0xpgTuZ486B"]Do I speak it correctly?[/URL] I probably sound belaboured or robotic, but that will soon pass. Also, I'm working on the distinction between [URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s1yNgdhVnMIT"]ح[/URL] ,[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0NmbCUNdRJV"]خ[/URL] ,[URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ojiHGXImMN"]غ[/URL], and [URL="http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ejDR8sKz6h"]ه[/URL]. How is it?[/QUOTE]
The final h sound in Allah and ilah is not really pronounced (it is very slightly but you'll get away with leaving it off). The meaning you said is right but a better translation would be "There is no god but God and Muhammed is his messenger".
You got the h's mixed up. the hard H where more air is expelled is ح, the softer one is ه.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;39092342]The final h sound in Allah and ilah is not really pronounced (it is very slightly but you'll get away with leaving it off). The meaning you said is right but a better translation would be "There is no god but God and Muhammed is his messenger".
You got the h's mixed up. the hard H where more air is expelled is ح, the softer one is ه.[/QUOTE]
I had my doubts about that myself. Woo, getting better :v:
But yeah, I knew the proper translation, but I was just showing what I gathered from it.
No normal person would ever talk like the way I said, but I did comprehend it didn't I?
Also, Why can't I hold all these "La" sounds? :v:
[QUOTE=Irkalla;39092450]I had my doubts about that myself. Woo, getting better :v:
But yeah, I knew the proper translation, but I was just showing what I gathered from it.
No normal person would ever talk like the way I said, but I did comprehend it didn't I?
Also, Why can't I hold all these "La" sounds? :v:[/QUOTE]
You're only starting and you're doing well. My only suggestion is to stay away from MSA and learn a dialect as that will make the language assimilation process much easier. You can come back to MSA after being comfortable with a dialect. Its how Arabs learn the language. I'm half British-Lebanese and I only started learning Arabic at the age of 9/10 as I had moved to the Middle East. They try to teach all the foreigners MSA but after 6/7 years of that all I knew was the alphabet and some basic words. In the last 2 years I made a big effort to start learning the Lebanese dialect and I'm very comfortable with conversation now and my MSA is improving each and every day. The dialects are so much simpler so they ease you into the language and give you a feel for all the sounds. Just something to think about.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;39092545]You're only starting and you're doing well. My only suggestion is to stay away from MSA and learn a dialect as that will make the language assimilation process much easier. You can come back to MSA after being comfortable with a dialect. Its how Arabs learn the language. I'm half British-Lebanese and I only started learning Arabic at the age of 9/10 as I had moved to the Middle East. They try to teach all the foreigners MSA but after 6/7 years of that all I knew was the alphabet and some basic words. In the last 2 years I made a big effort to start learning the Lebanese dialect and I'm very comfortable with conversation now and my MSA is improving each and every day. The dialects are so much simpler so they ease you into the language and give you a feel for all the sounds. Just something to think about.[/QUOTE]
I've actually learned vowel intuition somewhat. The words here will probably be made up.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/8D2lF.png[/t]
I can tell that this probably says "Kousmah"
[t]http://i.imgur.com/VGBdd.png[/t]
This probably says "Jeereem"
[t]http://i.imgur.com/AkoLx.png[/t]
This probably says "Ikouman"
[t]http://i.imgur.com/xlHSR.png[/t]
This probably says "Farouk"
[t]http://i.imgur.com/K4xAe.png[/t]
This probably says "al-Damah"
Right?
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