The Youth of today and their relationship with Policemen - General

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136149]if someone walked up to my friend and hit him i'd pound that fucker[/QUOTE] and you'd get charged.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136016]so what you're saying is all law enforcement officers take your rights away? i'm so sad that you have to live in a world where breaking the law is wrong [/QUOTE] Yeah man, the police are obviously out to get us, I should be able to break all the laws I want, fuck dah police, they shouldn't handle the problem when I resist and get violent with them, obviously my robbing of 4 banks, 6 muggings, 30 murders and killing 5 officers in the final confrontation is not grounds for them to arrest me.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136083]So what your saying is you dont give a damn your rights are being taken away from you. I'm so sad you live in a world where having rights like not having to deal with unwarranted search and seizure is wrong.[/QUOTE] Wait, do you even know the local laws or do just like acting like you do? Did they bust into your homes without a warrant? Its not illegal search and seizure if they have you up against a wall and start digging through your pockets. I live near Philadelphia and the cops here have it extremely rough. The last few years have been horrendous for them, we've lost numerous cops. One year we lost 5 in a single week to gang related issues. The cops try their best but when no one comes forward because of fear. Murders go unsolved and the dead just disappear from everyone's mind except from the families. Our cops are stretched thin and have had to make cut backs because of the failing economy so everything is going back to hell again just after it started slowing down.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136158]and you'd get charged.[/QUOTE] And you're a dumbass.

I once knew a guy who ditched during a certain test because he finished early and wanted to go home. That was obviously against protocol, as everyone was supposed to come out at the same time. He was tazered by the school's cop for attempting to leave despite being told not to. We're talking about a minor. A highschool student, tazered for ditching? Long story short, he got a lawyer to fight it and no matter who he talked to he was told the same thing: He couldn't beat the cop in court unless it was absolutely concrete. There were no witnesses so the cop got off without a hitch.

[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;27136172]Yeah man, the police are obviously out to get us, I should be able to break all the laws I want, fuck dah police, they shouldn't handle the problem when I resist and get violent with them, obviously my robbing of 4 banks, 6 muggings, 30 murders and killing 5 officers in the final confrontation is not grounds for them to arrest me.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but if you're carrying illegal narcotics, and you are stopped without a warrant or any gang links and you are arrested, that arrest is wrong. I'm just saying there should be a distinction.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136158]and you'd get charged.[/QUOTE] um no i wouldn't do you know how law works

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136223]um no i wouldn't do you know how law works[/QUOTE] um yes I do do you know what 'reasonable force' is

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27135974]So it obviously points out your bias. As another poster mentioned, respect for a group comes from respect earned. My experiences and feelings are just that, based off experience. I live in the subarbs of the OC, of course the cops here are different then your friends who may be sincerely good people out to help their community. My point is, that cops whether its their fault or not are facilititating rights-viotlating procedures and quite frankly don't give a damn. Some moreso than others.[/QUOTE] respect for a group comes from respect earned? does that mean i should not respect black people as a group because i've seen them steal stuff in my city? no it does not.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136239]um yes I do do you know what 'reasonable force' is[/QUOTE] yes, why

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[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136200]I once knew a guy who ditched during a certain test because he finished early and wanted to go home. That was obviously against protocol, as everyone was supposed to come out at the same time. He was tazered by the school's cop for attempting to leave despite being told not to. We're talking about a minor. A highschool student, tazered for ditching? Long story short, he got a lawyer to fight it and no matter who he talked to he was told the same thing: He couldn't beat the cop in court unless it was absolutely concrete. There were no witnesses so the cop got off without a hitch.[/QUOTE] Therefore all cops are bad and inhuman

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136251]respect for a group comes from respect earned? does that mean i should not respect black people as a group because i've seen them steal stuff in my city? no it does not.[/QUOTE] if the black people in your area steal stuff and commit crimes, you don't respect the black people in your area if the police in your area flagrantly abuse their power, you don't respect the police in your area.

What the hell is this thread going on about, theres always clashes between generations

well black people aren't bound by a rule book and an organization which gives out orders cops are

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136276]if the black people in your area steal stuff and commit crimes, you don't respect the black people in your area if the police in your area flagrantly abuse their power, you don't respect the police in your area.[/QUOTE] it's not like all of the black people in the area do it, but i've seen some of them do it. that doesn't mean i would disrespect all of them because i've seen them do it.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136239]um yes I do do you know what 'reasonable force' is[/QUOTE] Couldn't the black eye come from a cop punching the guy in the face to stun him and hand cuff him? Black eyes just don't instantly appear, it does take time for the tissue to bruise after a whack.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136264]yes, why[/QUOTE] 'pounding' on someone until they are unable to walk because they hit your friend is not reasonable force. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136304]it's not like all of the black people in the area do it, but i've seen some of them do it. that doesn't mean i would disrespect all of them because i've seen them do it.[/QUOTE] but you'd have an understandable distrust

[QUOTE=thisispain;27136302]well black people aren't bound by a rule book and an organization which gives out orders cops are[/QUOTE] everyone is bound by a rule book because it's the law even cops are subject to the law

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136313]'pounding' on someone until they are unable to walk because they hit your friend is not reasonable force.[/QUOTE] who said i would do that if they hit my friend i would hit back, unless your "reasonable force" outlaws self defence

[QUOTE=Swilly;27136180]Wait, do you even know the local laws or do just like acting like you do? Did they bust into your homes without a warrant? Its not illegal search and seizure if they have you up against a wall and start digging through your pockets. [/QUOTE] I was once caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, there was a group of freshman kids drinking publicly by the subway I was harmlessly getting food at once. The kids were sitting outside, and someone had called the police already but at the time, I was oblivious to pretty much all of this. I was walking out when the cops approached the kids and one of the cops said I was trying to run away because I was involved, and told me if I didn't sit down on the ground that I would be tazered and I quote "You'll do a little chicken dance and hit the ground if you don't cooperate". I cooperated and at the time had medicinal marijuana on my person but had my prescription in the car. Long story short, there were atleast 8 cops, 5 squad cars, atleast two dog's and me and a bunch of kids I didn't even know all getting charged.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27136310]Couldn't the black eye come from a cop punching the guy in the face to stun him and hand cuff him? Black eyes just don't instantly appear, it does take time for the tissue to bruise after a whack.[/QUOTE] maybe black eye was too lenient, I'll give another example. A while ago in England, a drunk and disorderly woman was thrown in the cells. She attempted to ask why she was being held, and the officers stripped her down to her bare skin, 'searching her' for knives and drugs. They left her there naked, with only a pillowcase to cover her. That genuinely happened although I am not in the mood to cycle through a myriad of police brutality reports to find it.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136327]everyone is bound by a rule book because it's the law even cops are subject to the law[/QUOTE] not always and by rule book i mean rules outside of the law

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136371]I was once caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, there was a group of freshman kids drinking publicly by the subway I was harmlessly getting food at once. The kids were sitting outside, and someone had called the police already but at the time, I was oblivious to pretty much all of this. I was walking out when the cops approached the kids and one of the cops said I was trying to run away because I was involved, and told me if I didn't sit down on the ground that I would be tazered and I quote "You'll do a little chicken dance and hit the ground if you don't cooperate". I cooperated and at the time had medicinal marijuana on my person but had my prescription in the car. Long story short, there were atleast 8 cops, 5 squad cars, atleast two dog's and me and a bunch of kids I didn't even know all getting charged.[/QUOTE] sounds like you were caught at the wrong place man fuck da poh-lees for responding to a call

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136354]who said i would do that if they hit my friend i would hit back, unless your "reasonable force" outlaws self defence[/QUOTE] That wasn't what I was talking about when I referred to the police officers circling the suspect and beating on him, you took this argument away from the point I was making with your own scenario, don't try and pin it on me.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27133304]I have more of a problem with cops who think they're higher and mightier than everyone else because they're taught how to abuse peoples rights and take away their freedoms, and that their position of power somehow makes them more deserving of being treated with rights than us.[/QUOTE] This. What they seem to forget is that they are civil servants, meaning that until they have reason to believe a crime has been commited, we as the general public 'outrank' them as it were. But the Police rarely see themselves in this way.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136389]maybe black eye was too lenient, I'll give another example. A while ago in England, a drunk and disorderly woman was thrown in the cells. She attempted to ask why she was being held, and the officers stripped her down to her bare skin, 'searching her' for knives and drugs. They left her there naked, with only a pillowcase to cover her. That genuinely happened although I am not in the mood to cycle through a myriad of police brutality reports to find it.[/QUOTE] lol england

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136313] but you'd have an understandable distrust[/QUOTE] so you'd be a bigot and not trust everyone of a group for one's actions good plan

either way there's nothing wrong with acknowledging the flaws with the people who police you because ultimately you give them the right to do so and if they are doing something they aren't supposed to you'll be doing your community a service by making sure everyone knows

[QUOTE=thisispain;27136391]not always and by rule book i mean rules outside of the law[/QUOTE] oh