The Youth of today and their relationship with Policemen - General

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136431]lol england[/QUOTE] This happens everywhere

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136417]That wasn't what I was talking about when I referred to the police officers circling the suspect and beating on him, you took this argument away from the point I was making with your own scenario, don't try and pin it on me.[/QUOTE] what are you even talking about anymore [QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136062]assault an average person: get your court date and a night in the cells assault a police officer in the same circumstances: get court date, cells time, and a black eye that you don't talk about[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Taggart;27136436]so you'd be a bigot and not trust everyone of a group for one's actions good plan[/QUOTE] I've had my windows smashed in by a couple of skinheads in the past, so naturally when I see that group of skinheads, I don't exactly go out to head over and shake hands with them

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136400]sounds like you were caught at the wrong place man fuck da poh-lees for responding to a call[/QUOTE] The point was, the cop pretty much disregarded my rights despite not being a minor like the rest of them. I was even threatened, [I]just for being there.[/I] The charges on me didn't stick, but the entire time I kept asking 'Don't you guys have something better to do, like catch a rapist or murderer or something?' He responded with 'You wouldn't know where I'd find rapists or murderers, would you?' The same asshole who threatened to tazer me. I wanted to spit in his face.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136443]This happens everywhere[/QUOTE] yeah but the cops would have an understandable distrust towards the people because in england alot of drunk people carry knives and drugs specifically 'chavs'

I read thread title in my mother's voice

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136465]I've had my windows smashed in by a couple of skinheads in the past, so naturally when I see that group of skinheads, I don't exactly go out to head over and shake hands with them[/QUOTE] two or three people is not the same as a group of, as in Fire K's post, ethnic people living in an area.

[QUOTE=thisispain;27136438]either way there's nothing wrong with acknowledging the flaws with the people who police you because ultimately you give them the right to do so and if they are doing something they aren't supposed to you'll be doing your community a service by making sure everyone knows[/QUOTE] Holy crap, this. This a thousand times over.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136464]what are you even talking about anymore[/QUOTE] My original argument was 'hitting the person who hit you back' is okay, whereas 'beating on them mercilessly because they hurt another copper slightly (see Rodney King video)' is abuse of power. You took it on by saying 'Oh if someone hit my friend, I'd pound them' leading me to assume that you meant you would also beat on the person mercilessly, because 'pound' is often used when referring to a prolonged beating. This meant that when I said you would be charged, which you would in [I]my [/I]scenario, you could say 'oh well it's only self defense' because you made up your own scenario.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136475]The point was, the cop pretty much disregarded my rights despite not being a minor like the rest of them. I was even threatened, [I]just for being there.[/I] The charges on me didn't stick, but the entire time I kept asking 'Don't you guys have something better to do, like catch a rapist or murderer or something?' He responded with 'You wouldn't know where I'd find rapists or murderers, would you?' The same asshole who threatened to tazer me. I wanted to spit in his face.[/QUOTE] so obviously it's their fault for you being at a crime scene

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136492]yeah but the cops would have an understandable distrust towards the people because in england alot of drunk people carry knives and drugs specifically 'chavs'[/QUOTE] so it's okay to strip a woman naked and leave her there good to know.

I don't get why it's up for debate about hitting a cop. Why are you so fucking jumpy to punch someone and then get pissed when you get hit with repercussions for your actions? Have some self control. There's a difference between self defense and getting back at someone for hitting you once then stopping.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136475]The point was, the cop pretty much disregarded my rights despite not being a minor like the rest of them. I was even threatened, [I]just for being there.[/I] The charges on me didn't stick, but the entire time I kept asking 'Don't you guys have something better to do, like catch a rapist or murderer or something?' He responded with 'You wouldn't know where I'd find rapists or murderers, would you?' The same asshole who threatened to tazer me. I wanted to spit in his face.[/QUOTE] an officers job is a very stressful one i imagine you said that in a very smartass tone [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136550]so it's okay to strip a woman naked and leave her there good to know.[/QUOTE] it's also okay to distrust an entire group right

[QUOTE=Taggart;27136508]two or three people is not the same as a group of, as in Fire K's post, ethnic people living in an area.[/QUOTE] the skins are a 'group'. There are a lot of them, I don't trust skins anymore unless they are nice to me, if I meet a nice skin, I'll trust them. Otherwise, I'd prefer to keep a wide berth.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136536]My original argument was 'hitting the person who hit you back' is okay, whereas 'beating on them mercilessly because they hurt another copper slightly (see Rodney King video)' is abuse of power. You took it on by saying 'Oh if someone hit my friend, I'd pound them' leading me to assume that you meant you would also beat on the person mercilessly, because 'pound' is often used when referring to a prolonged beating. This meant that when I said you would be charged, which you would in [I]my [/I]scenario, you could say 'oh well it's only self defense' because you made up your own scenario.[/QUOTE] since when was [i]I[/i] talking about rodney king you're the one that's obsessed with him I'm just saying that if random punk ran over and punched my buddy in the face then i would punch him

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136573] it's also okay to distrust an entire group right[/QUOTE] If they've given you grief in the past, then why wouldn't you? I don't trust my local police force because they aren't exactly the most legitimate role models, I think that is fair. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136608]since when was [i]I[/i] talking about rodney king you're the one that's obsessed with him I'm just saying that if random punk ran over and punched my buddy in the face then i would punch him[/QUOTE] so you took my point and hijacked it.

oh no two or three guys broke my windows, they're all untrustworthy, glass murdering criminals

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136327]everyone is bound by a rule book because it's the law even cops are subject to the law[/QUOTE] Good one. Cops get off with 'accidental' killings of civilians all the time. Case in point; the old man who was shot for attempting to defend his property from invaders (read: shot for wielding a golf club).

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;27136653]Good one. Cops get off with 'accidental' killings of civilians all the time. Case in point; the old man who was shot for attempting to defend his property from invaders (read: shot for wielding a golf club).[/QUOTE] care to source this?

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136611]If they've given you grief in the past, then why wouldn't you? I don't trust my local police force because they aren't exactly the most legitimate role models, I think that is fair. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] so you took my point and hijacked it.[/QUOTE] yeah if i distrusted everything that gave me grief i'd distrust everything if you distrust everything that gives you grief you'd be paranoid

[QUOTE=Taggart;27136635]oh no two or three guys broke my windows, they're all untrustworthy, glass murdering criminals[/QUOTE] that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying, if a group have proven themselves to be distrustful, then it's only logical to think they are until proven wrong. Do you expect me to walk into this crowd and say "Hi guys, I'm a descendant Jew with socialist views, I'd sure love to make friends!" no, because they don't like me, so I don't like them. And if I see a new skin hanging out with them, I'm not going to go out of my way to assume he's any different.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136611]so you took my point and hijacked it.[/QUOTE] you never even mentioned rodney king when you were talking to me, dumbass

in other words, you're going to be a paranoid bigot because they could all be murderous glass haters, and a new guy will also likely be out to murder every window pane he sees

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27136668]yeah if i distrusted everything that gave me grief i'd distrust everything if you distrust everything that gives you grief you'd be paranoid[/QUOTE] how the hell does [I]everything[/I] give you grief. I can count the things that give me grief on one hand 1.abusive police officers 2.racists and bigots 3.paedophile rapists there that's what really bothers me.

If I'm perfectly honest here that cop in the video should have called for back-up first as soon as he saw the gun then got to safety, that old guy had a rifle for heavens sake the police officer wouldn't of stood a chance. This is part of the law that is seemingly flawed. Police officers always have to be careful when dealing with people like this giving them a huge disadvantage, laws and all that, you know what I mean. The cop was obviously just trying to wound the man instead of killing him, he should have just shot him in the head.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;27136705]you never even mentioned rodney king when you were talking to me, dumbass[/QUOTE] no I did not, I said [quote]it is wrong to circle the guy who hit your friend, and beat on him.[/quote] which is true

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;27136727]how the hell does [I]everything[/I] give you grief. I can count the things that give me grief on one hand 1.abusive police officers 2.racists and bigots 3.paedophile rapists there that's what really bothers me.[/QUOTE] i'm not saying everything gives me grief i'm saying if you distrusted everything that gave your grief you would distrust people in general

[QUOTE=Taggart;27136715]in other words, you're going to be a paranoid bigot because they could all be murderous glass haters, and a new guy will also likely be out to murder every window pane he sees[/QUOTE] you don't quite understand neo nazi skins do you

[QUOTE=Taggart;27136667]care to source this?[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6Bq8xeQrU]Here you go.[/url]

I'm 16 I don't hate cops